Rootmaker yet another Gizmo to improving ur roots

Cold$moke

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Thanks for the shots @Kingrow1

I figure the more i see the better i can do.

Thanks kingrow


Also thanks for saying topping doesnt make a difference yet you top for 4-6 mains :)
But i get what you mean its why everyone tops ;)
Thay one confused me lol
 

Cold$moke

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@Kingrow1
Would you say topping a plant doesnt increase the "matter" that the plant grows. Un topped or not.

but rather rechannels that growth to bud?

Would this be a correct assumtion?
 

Kingrow1

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Thanks for the shots @Kingrow1

I figure the more i see the better i can do.

Thanks kingrow


Also thanks for saying topping doesnt make a difference yet you top for 4-6 mains :)
But i get what you mean its why everyone tops ;)
Thay one confused me lol

Strictly a seedling and veg guy, flowering and yeilds is so boring to me. I work to a different principle - speed of veg cycle. This is the biggest yeilder imo. Fuckup and it cost you a week, deficiency and environment not right then add another week onto your grow time.

This has always been where i fit in best....
 

Kingrow1

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@Kingrow1
Would you say topping a plant doesnt increase the "matter" that the plant grows. Un topped or not.

but rather rechannels that growth to bud?

Would this be a correct assumtion?
These short plants seem small for a 600w, i feel now im on a bigger light single colas would give me twice the height and use the light distance more efficiently. My finished plant height is 50cm at harvest, could be a meter and yeild more untopped im thinking.

We shall see in a month or so as planning to change to single cola at some point.
 

Cold$moke

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Strictly a seedling and veg guy, flowering and yeilds is so boring to me. I work to a different principle - speed of veg cycle. This is the biggest yeilder imo. Fuckup and it cost you a week, deficiency and environment not right then add another week onto your grow time.

This has always been where i fit in best....

This i most humbly agree


As to my assumption , was that a good way to think about whats going on?
 

Kingrow1

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This i most humbly agree


As to my assumption , was that a good way to think about whats going on?
There are better much more productive ways to high yeild dude, skills are your numero uno focus not defoliation or root trainig, work that veg tent till its pissing out perfect plants then mess around with the other stuff.

If i yeild the same amount as you but in a quicker time then over the space of a year i yeild vastly more.
 

Cold$moke

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There are better much more productive ways to high yeild dude, skills are your numero uno focus not defoliation or root trainig, work that veg tent till its pissing out perfect plants then mess around with the other stuff.

If i yeild the same amount as you but in a quicker time then over the space of a year i yeild vastly more.
Agreed but you still didnt answer what i asked.
Lol its ok

But i agree with your post about having faster veg times i really do :)

Most of the time i grow pretty well but i had a year or 2 off so im getting back in the saddle;)
 

Cold$moke

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You give good advice for beginners.

sometimes i want more detail in the answers as i have been doing this long enough to have heard most all that has been posted :)

This is why when i find something that actualy makes sense like

Pruning for 4-8 colas .making an even canopy ect ect

Thats why im stuck on the root pruning

as i have tried it all too with the exception of HPA just cause i didnt want to go down that rabbit hole :)

Good to have a civil discussion with you
Mabey you can teach me how to get faster veg times
In a pm that would always be nice
 

vostok

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There are better much more productive ways to high yeild dude, skills are your numero uno focus not defoliation or root trainig, work that veg tent till its pissing out perfect plants then mess around with the other stuff.

If i yeild the same amount as you but in a quicker time then over the space of a year i yeild vastly more.
I'm in a bitching argument now with a buddy who claims to grow more volume than me with his autos over my photos

as he grow 4 autos in 10 liters pots to my one 40 liter (10.5usg) photo's sounds crazy

but then his autos are done and dusted by day 60 with me having another 30 days to run ....lol

but he don't have that Quality ...lol I can add 30%? to the cost price for that Q .lol
 

Cold$moke

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I know my veiw on autos changed after i did one.

Now i want to order more so i can line my veg room with them for a perpetual veg room lol
 

Kingrow1

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I'm in a bitching argument now with a buddy who claims to grow more volume than me with his autos over my photos

as he grow 4 autos in 10 liters pots to my one 40 liter (10.5usg) photo's sounds crazy

but then his autos are done and dusted by day 60 with me having another 30 days to run ....lol

but he don't have that Quality ...lol I can add 30%? to the cost price for that Q .lol

As long as autos have been around ive never wanted to make the change because most seem to take as long as my photos with their quick veg. I remember herbies auto dwarf freebies but my photos were preflowering before the autos.

Im not so sure most autos are that quick, the main benefit seems to be not having to run 12/12.

My jury is still undecided with them...
 

Kingrow1

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You give good advice for beginners.

sometimes i want more detail in the answers as i have been doing this long enough to have heard most all that has been posted :)

This is why when i find something that actualy makes sense like

Pruning for 4-8 colas .making an even canopy ect ect

Thats why im stuck on the root pruning

as i have tried it all too with the exception of HPA just cause i didnt want to go down that rabbit hole :)

Good to have a civil discussion with you
Mabey you can teach me how to get faster veg times
In a pm that would always be nice
I stay away from grow advice mainly, damn that stuff is complex to me still, light compensation points, transpiration, boundary layers.

A lot of this stuff is still in dispute with me.

Dont do private messages just this forum, way more fun and social.

Just keep growing, most things will present themselves and become obvious. Ive been working at eliminating fans from my grow and just using the exact amount of extraction so co2 is not depleted and heat dosent build up. Most grows i see resemble wind tunnels and i believe weed dont need no wind whatso ever. Not to say the air is stagnant but leaves never move in the small amount of air i move.

I have a lot to work at still, average grower just like a lot here, when im that good ill detail somthing but until then were all in the same boat :-)
 

Dr. Who

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I equate it to being like topping.

We top and train the tops of our plants for yields
But this doesnt happen in nature.

Why dont we train our roots from infancy ?
As well.

Wouldnt you train your roots like your tops if it increased yield?

I would like to hear your thoughts on this
@Dr.Who

Edit to add just on the most important question

Would you train your roots if it increased yield as much as topping?
First off let me say thank you! I wasn't offended (personally) really. It was kind of tiresome.

I asked for a link to the video. I'll look at part of it and find the rest later today.
I'll report what I think of it then.
I think I have a book of his.....have to look for it. Wife could go right to it, she's at work.

As far as train my roots...Here rooty, root, root....lol, just kidding.

Um, we do know that more roots = More and bigger buds. That being the case. Wouldn't bigger pots do it? Why limit root size? Because the plant over grows the size of the space? How about plant topping and pruning then, to hold size?

Kelp increases root mass by as much as 173% (this amount was done by a southern coastal state collage and in mixing kelp meal into the soil. Still, you get some serious root growth from Kelp extract use.) So then, why not just use kelp and the proper container size. Being sure to feed as needed for the roots/plant inside that container. To your plant size limitations.

If you take a "root bound" plant. The plant being in a too small container and feed that plant and it's roots like it's in a bigger container (more), you still keep a plant and it's roots feed and happy by simply giving it what it needs to be the best it can be. And you can get that same result you would get in a bigger container. There are variables you need to watch but, not hard to do if you know what your doing. Doubling the yield by container size is easy......6 zips from a #3 pot......Just to "see" what I could do. I've gone over that by the above feeding ideal....I just did 2 plants in #3 pots and yielded over 6 per. I didn't feel like up potting them and they were a synthetic run, so I pounded the feed at the #5 pot level (by amount) and they simply rocked it.

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Normal for me is organic water only growing, and blooming in #5 or #7 pots and with 5's still go 8 zips a pot. I'm happy with what I'm doing and my results. I think I train those roots pretty good. They get transplanted from 2's to 5's (3's to 7's) and veg for 8-10 more days to let the roots "set" into the fresh "bloom" soil. This, for most strains run in a particular soil, works to get the plant done and only a few long running strains need to be feed a bit late......The root ball is not "coiled" nor has the plant become root bound.

I'm just not sold on any fabric pot being the wonder answer to growing bigger and better. I feel the drawbacks out weight the performance of those pots! The waste factor alone makes them more expensive to use, much less buy......

My choice, my grow, my rules.

Been doing this cannabis growing thing for over 40 years.
I'm happy with where I'm at but, never to old to learn something new. I'll look at that lecture...
 

Cold$moke

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Thanks @Dr.Who

Sorry i didnt mean to get all pissed but when i ask questions.i like direct answers that pertain to what im asking at the time :)

You probably do have one of his books lmao.

And like i said many times i dont know what is right or wrong this is why i must test it.


Its not about limiting root growth
But building them up so they explode when transplanted.

From that point you would treat it as normal .mine are going into my hydro systems

Again not about being "root bound"if anything your making the exact opposite.

Again not about fabric pots i run hydro

Your plants look great btw.

And i also agree with you on adding kelp in conjunction with humic acids.

I saw my root diameter of clones double over night! No bs.

Again thank you for us being on the civilized track of conversation again! :)

I hope to hear your thoughts after you whatch the lecture. .

You have 26 years on me at growing :)

Hopefully i can help an old dog learn a new trick if its as beneficial as topping and training the top of the plant is

Peace
 

Cold$moke

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Also im a visual guy mabey you are as well?

But if it works like i hope.it does. I should have more root mass by the end of the cycle.

Hopefully in a few months ill be able to show you if it works or if it doesn't.

Again.
Rep+1 @Dr.Who
 

Kingrow1

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Interesting grow fact - too much kelp stunts young roots and can even inhibit germination. Go easy on it to start with :-)
 

ANC

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I don't like rootmakers, they encourage roots forming at the edge of the pot, even if it keeps them separated and going downwards.
Anytime you take a plant with roots sitting against the side of the pot and plant it out, there will be a pause in growth.
 

Kingrow1

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My kelp only requires 1/16 per gallon.

Kelp plus humic acids is shown to improve roots and lateral branches if i recall
Oh yer go easy with the stuf, like 70 different trace elements in it. Super additive though but i and others have been victim of its down sides when being too generous.

I dont use it any more now :-)
 
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