You can make a variety of root makers and trainers, never did i see much difference, many dont like them indoors because they are messy and hard to saturate, others swear they get better plant growth. Those cloth or fabric pots do make me laugh as wellThis isnt really for long term growing.as it is to get an explosion of roots when transplanted into the final system
Did you try them any pics?
Nah they will probably pull through
4 inches is All she needs
haha thanks for the help
@Dr.Who
@Kingrow1
@Odin*
You all bodly say this is junk. SHOW ME THEN... IF NOT YOUR TRASH TALKING
If any of you have LINKS OR EVIDENCE rather then your toughts or beliefs .
That would be fantastic for a person like myself
Who has no faith in words.
But im a logical person Too
Show me the facts that it doesnt and ill GLADLY SUBMIT with a BOW...
...until then your just talkin out your ASSES
Blah blah nature. ..... is it nature in a grow room?no
Do you have gail force winds that require a long,energy robbing tap? No
Do you have major droughts that the seedlings need their survival tools to survive? No
IF YOU WANT TO MIMIC NATURE THEN GROW OUTSIDE BY JUST TOSSING YOUR BEANS ON THE GROUND!!! DIDNT THINK SO
SO FAR THE ONLY THING YOU HAVE PROVIDED TO PROVE THIS IS WRONG IS NOTHING.
WHY DO YOU mainline , top, lst ,dwc ,rdwc, light color and schedual manipulation...... ARE ANY OF THESE IN NATURE NOOOO.
SO come at me bros!
Just bring EVIDENCE not HERESAY PICTURES and RESEARCH .
Im a logical man so if you can provide.me with ANY GOOD REPUTABLE SOURCE then ill stop you know like
SIDE BY SIDE Photos university papers ect
Till then PFFFT
nice post pretty much sums it up, do you think those style pots prune the roots any different than fabric pots?Wowser! Hit a soft spot did we?
Proof? How? All I have is words about it. Let me try some of them.
This is from personal first hand experience!
IN TESTING FOR THE MAKER - pre release testing for marketing research.
I was given several sets in my normal used size.
I water, and have for decades. Everyday at lights on. A metered amount to carry me over to the next day.
As the plant grew and the roots grew. The watering would simply flow off the root ball and out the sides and bottom, in the area's within the pot that did not contain roots. Moisture flows right through ultra dry soils, with little to no wetting of that soil.
I had to use more water or feed - for the synthetic run plants. Far more then normal to get the contents of the pot moist enough TO hold for that 24 hrs to the next.
By having to add more nutrient mix to that application. I just wasted that increased amount over what I would normally have used to do the same thing, for the same amount of time.
In organic, water only soils. That area around the root ball where they do not grow. Is the same wasted available nutrient that the roots simply won't grow to use.
Now then, about that root ball. It grows super dense. So dense that it doesn't get the core wet or moist, with anything you water (in my normal way - 24 hrs), you have just cost the plant available total nutrient use for complete growth from all available roots.
I got so interested in that aspect, that when it was time to harvest. I watered the living shit out of it. Let it sit in the run off and after harvesting the plant. Cut the root ball in half and found the core to be dry as a bone.
So, in my book, they are a fail!
You have to use more to get no real improvement in Oxygen being delivered to the roots then you can by other mean's.
You have to use increased amounts of feed or water to accomplish the same thing vs. a normal green house plastic pot.
You have wasted, unused soil space that decreases the effective size used by the plant in organic growing.
This is WASTE!
Waste is $.
I can get more plastic garden pots for the money. Spend less on used nutrients.
Recycle my soil faster and more effectively, and use less soil for real deal organic growing.
As for things like drying out faster.
We'll, even the most ardent supporters of fabric pots agree on that.
I must say that plastic air pots like this.
Allow the roots to grow right out to the holes, and out the bottom like Rockwool. They then get "air pruned". They waste no space but, can result in some increased watering.
Not as big a problem but, in my book, still there.
Increasing o2 to the root zone is as simple as watering less, everyday....
That help you understand?
If you up-pot enough, it limits root bound pots. At the last up pot, simply allow the plant to veg only 8-10 days in a 5-10 gallon pot. Then flip it to bloom. Your not going to get all that "coiling" on the bottom of wasted root growth. Still, if you feed the plant enough. Those roots still work for the plant.
I have more roots available to work in normal pots and air pots. Over fabric pots.
Remember that more roots = more/bigger buds...
Do fabric pots work?
Never said they didn't.
I just choose to not spend more then I have to, for results that are just as good if not better.
The air pots?
I dont jnderstand which space where nothing grows?
Anyone that says this did not research what im talking about.
Lighten up Francis!Anyone that says this did not research what im talking about.
@Dr.Who it has nothing to do with air pots except at the later stages.
The initial traning of the TAP ROOT ITSELF MUST BE MADE IN THE SEEDLINGS INFANCY.
IF YOU DONT UNDERSTAND.
It is because you didnt look up the dr.s lecture.
He can explain it better than me!
Its obvious how you all keep metioning air pots
WHEN DID I MENTION AIR POTS?
THIS IS REASON 2 that i know you didnt look it up
No soft spot hit ... i could give a fuck less what anyone here thinks.
Cause im still doing it for my self
SO I HAVE FIRST HAND EXPERIENCE and can TRUTHFULLY SAY that is does or doesn't work
Thanks for at least replying back
@Dr.Who. but you still did not convince me of shit,
except you didnt whatch the lecture.
Cause all the magic happens in the first few days of life from what dr. Whitcomb says.
Im going into rdwc and another system
who said anything about the airpots,or being root bound?
Show me something more substantial then an internet opinion.
Ill call you over to my thread where i will still post updates,
I even started rootpruning a clone in my cloner to see what happens
Peace
Oh yea at least ill have pics to prove or disprove.
Like i said SHOW ME ONE CREDIBLE ARTICLE
On how this would harm the plant and or decrease yields i am waiting
I get a space between the root ball and the pot wall of no growth. Not much but it's there.
@Dr.Who i apologize for being defensive
Does topping increase yeilds, probably grow twice the amount without topping and yeild the same...
Show me how im here to learn but i am visual based in learning.
Im not re-documenting all the stuff ive done here on riu, i have posted mucho pictures over the years to be open and honest with ny growing. Topping dosent make the plant grow faster or more. I do it to get short plants that utilise smaller lights. I know in some situations it increases yeild but the plant hasnt grown any more than an untopped plant. I use 4 week veg. Had i had a bigger set up i doubt id top as id prefer some nice 6 footers not 2 footers.