Well the cloner has a dedicated drain valve so you should never have to open it to change the water
Which veg unit? The double stack?
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Which veg unit? The double stack?
Keesje
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Of course it can't be done. Did you look at the dimensions of the cloner?
The plants would be fighting for space.
And there would be simply not enough space for the roots.
The roots would fill up the whole container in no time.
And even if you could do it, what happened to the idea of 'perpetual'?
It would be a grow like 90 percent of the growers do it anyway.
Cut a clone, put it in a pot and put the lights on 24/7, then 18/6 and after some growing 12/12.
I guess you don't get the concept of 'perpetual'.
The plants would be fighting for space.
And there would be simply not enough space for the roots.
The roots would fill up the whole container in no time.
And even if you could do it, what happened to the idea of 'perpetual'?
It would be a grow like 90 percent of the growers do it anyway.
Cut a clone, put it in a pot and put the lights on 24/7, then 18/6 and after some growing 12/12.
I guess you don't get the concept of 'perpetual'.
By perpetual I meant I would have multiple units at different stages, just like stink does already. Also since posting my question I found a page where stinkbud answers the exact same question and praises it as a great idea so idk man
Keesje
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Then it is not perpetual in the sense that StinkBud has it.
You want to start from scratch with Grow 1 in week 1 and harvest in week 16 (Stinkbud's 15 weeks)
Grow 2 you start in week 3 and harvest in week 18
Grow 3 you start in week 5 and harvest in week 20
Etc.
This is the way that a lot of commercial growers of vegetables in Greenhouses work, but then starting every day.
And still they most of the time use a smaller unit for the clones or the seedlings.
Still, what you want couldn't be finished in a cloner, because the plants would kill each other for lack of space for plants and roots.
You could of course use the container - which Stinkbud uses for flowering - as a cloner as well.
It will look silly in the beginning with the tiny plants, but it works.
But then you should have different, separate rooms, which would make it more expensive.
And if you want to harvest every 2 weeks you need a lot of rooms, I guess at least 8 or 9 rooms, because the plant from clone to harvest will occupie the room for about 15 weeks or more, depending on the strain.
Because at the start the clones need 24/7 light, after the roots develop good (the veg period) you switch to 18/6 and for blooming to 12/12.
So a lot of hassle.
Stinkbud needs just a small room for cloning and also for the veg period, because his cloner is small, and his veg unit is a bit wider.
Your system would work if you have 8 or 9 rooms and you want to waste a lot of space.
The plus side would be that you wouldn't have to transplant the clones to the veg unit and later to the blooming unit.
Which also has a downside, because if a few of your clones will die (which allways happens to a few) you end up with empty spots in the unit. Waste of light and space.
So I would say, you can do it, but as long as you are not doing this on a really large scale, it would be a stupid idea.
You want to start from scratch with Grow 1 in week 1 and harvest in week 16 (Stinkbud's 15 weeks)
Grow 2 you start in week 3 and harvest in week 18
Grow 3 you start in week 5 and harvest in week 20
Etc.
This is the way that a lot of commercial growers of vegetables in Greenhouses work, but then starting every day.
And still they most of the time use a smaller unit for the clones or the seedlings.
Still, what you want couldn't be finished in a cloner, because the plants would kill each other for lack of space for plants and roots.
You could of course use the container - which Stinkbud uses for flowering - as a cloner as well.
It will look silly in the beginning with the tiny plants, but it works.
But then you should have different, separate rooms, which would make it more expensive.
And if you want to harvest every 2 weeks you need a lot of rooms, I guess at least 8 or 9 rooms, because the plant from clone to harvest will occupie the room for about 15 weeks or more, depending on the strain.
Because at the start the clones need 24/7 light, after the roots develop good (the veg period) you switch to 18/6 and for blooming to 12/12.
So a lot of hassle.
Stinkbud needs just a small room for cloning and also for the veg period, because his cloner is small, and his veg unit is a bit wider.
Your system would work if you have 8 or 9 rooms and you want to waste a lot of space.
The plus side would be that you wouldn't have to transplant the clones to the veg unit and later to the blooming unit.
Which also has a downside, because if a few of your clones will die (which allways happens to a few) you end up with empty spots in the unit. Waste of light and space.
So I would say, you can do it, but as long as you are not doing this on a really large scale, it would be a stupid idea.
StinkBud
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I'd stick with organic live soil if you plan on using a light-dep greenhouse. It's hard but the quality is the best by far. I'm currently writing a new book on growing using 100% organic growing methods. Basically I'll take you through the entire process from seed to store.
StinkBud
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36 would be too much, all you need is 1 or 2 plants to fill the entire space.
GoatSoup
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Love this thread. I've just today modified my Stink Bud 4.0 double tubs and separated my photo from my auto because one plant is enough for one tub. Another four Weeks and I'll have some fresh weed!
I'm using GH Flora nutes this time and it's great. I'll be flipping as soon as I can figure out the programming for 11/13 on my timer. I think I'm liking the mechanical timers more and more as the programmable is too flexible.
I'm using GH Flora nutes this time and it's great. I'll be flipping as soon as I can figure out the programming for 11/13 on my timer. I think I'm liking the mechanical timers more and more as the programmable is too flexible.
dbkick
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Too flexible? you mean not rigid?? jk, you must mean too hard to program.
Excellent thread OP, Happy growing!
GoatSoup
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Yeah, too complicated for and old man.
My Stinkbud V4.1 is running fine now! I had to move a Tangerine Dream Auto to it's own tub and it has now filled it's 2'X2' scrog net at just 8 weeks from seed!
GoatSoup
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Thought I'd show my "Stink Bud 4.0 system I 'designed' ( read Kludged together) for a 2 x 2 single dual plant grow.
Way back in '08 I got a hair up my... and built a stink bud using a 12 gal tub inside a 27 (?) gal tub and grew eight plants in it under 8x To5Ho's . Actully I used two to cover the whole 4' of the lamp.
This time I had to reduce the number of plants and tried scrogging. Heat and stink shut that down, though I did get some bud for a while.
SB 4.0 uses that pump in the rez and comes upon the end of the tub instead of the center. This reduces the roots flowing down in to the pump rez chamber. I recommend using some sort of filter at eh pump either a panty hose wrap of the pump of...?
You can see the scrog net is fixed to the top of the tub with tie wraps, the scrog net assy is not glued together so it can be taken apart and stored in the tubs for ... what ever. My daughter & Grandkids are coming soon and I need to shut down for a couple of months while the weather is so hot. My pump assy and sprayer assy's are not glued except for a few key joints. You have to watch it as the pumps will work the joints loose if the sprayers get clogged. Have extra sprayers on hand! A tap for the sprayer install is a good idea too.
I'm ~10 weeks along with my Tangerine Dream Auto in the scrog net. I made the mistake of mixing a photo with an auto and the ensuing light conflicts. I decided to stick to autos in this space in the future. .
The plant on the right of the first photo, is a Lemon Tree Photo self scrogged using simple topping and LST. very Kush like I'm told.
The 12 gal tubs only adds about 4" to the heights of the tubs but it does limit the rez to about 12-15 gals. Temp of the rez is problematic with so little thermal mass. I'm only running ~250 and 140 Watt lights so radiant heat is not much of a problem. A couple of QB 's would be better but $$$/
Way back in '08 I got a hair up my... and built a stink bud using a 12 gal tub inside a 27 (?) gal tub and grew eight plants in it under 8x To5Ho's . Actully I used two to cover the whole 4' of the lamp.
This time I had to reduce the number of plants and tried scrogging. Heat and stink shut that down, though I did get some bud for a while.
SB 4.0 uses that pump in the rez and comes upon the end of the tub instead of the center. This reduces the roots flowing down in to the pump rez chamber. I recommend using some sort of filter at eh pump either a panty hose wrap of the pump of...?
You can see the scrog net is fixed to the top of the tub with tie wraps, the scrog net assy is not glued together so it can be taken apart and stored in the tubs for ... what ever. My daughter & Grandkids are coming soon and I need to shut down for a couple of months while the weather is so hot. My pump assy and sprayer assy's are not glued except for a few key joints. You have to watch it as the pumps will work the joints loose if the sprayers get clogged. Have extra sprayers on hand! A tap for the sprayer install is a good idea too.
I'm ~10 weeks along with my Tangerine Dream Auto in the scrog net. I made the mistake of mixing a photo with an auto and the ensuing light conflicts. I decided to stick to autos in this space in the future. .
The plant on the right of the first photo, is a Lemon Tree Photo self scrogged using simple topping and LST. very Kush like I'm told.
The 12 gal tubs only adds about 4" to the heights of the tubs but it does limit the rez to about 12-15 gals. Temp of the rez is problematic with so little thermal mass. I'm only running ~250 and 140 Watt lights so radiant heat is not much of a problem. A couple of QB 's would be better but $$$/
GrowBeyond
Member
Amazing post! Stinkbud, I noticed you mentioning the top notch genetics of the day, and I was wondering what you'd recommend.
StinkBud
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In my own personal room I have Dog Walker, Kosher Kush, Mendo Breath, Afgoo, Veterans Kush and Durban Poison. Veterans Kush is the best strain on earth. I prefer Myrcene dominant strains lately.
GrowBeyond
Member
Awesome! Where the heck can I find seeds for these beauties? I can't find anything on veteran's kush
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GrowBeyond
Member
Okay, this is probably a stupid question but I've been searching and searching and I'm still stumped. How the heck do you transplant from veg to flower? If the roots are about as long as 1 bin is tall, how do they fit in a 4 inch fence post?
BleedsGreen
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They fit, they slide right in and will spread out on their own. No worries just feed the roots through the hole and plop the net pot in.
Greenhorngrower
New Member
Hey stink, I love the system. I've built the cloner and the veg systems Because i could not wait for the results to start.
However...
I have taken clones from plants that were in flower. I have done some research and found that it does take some extra time for the clippings to reveg but imI'on day 181in the cloner and still no roots. My timer is set to 1 on and 5 off, I'm using a 125w cfl for the clippings my water temp is stable in the low 70's, and my ph is at 6.0. Is there anything I can add to the loan them starts rooting faster??
However...
I have taken clones from plants that were in flower. I have done some research and found that it does take some extra time for the clippings to reveg but imI'on day 181in the cloner and still no roots. My timer is set to 1 on and 5 off, I'm using a 125w cfl for the clippings my water temp is stable in the low 70's, and my ph is at 6.0. Is there anything I can add to the loan them starts rooting faster??
BleedsGreen
Well-Known Member
181 days Wow, I am guessing it is really 18 days and if they were in flower sate not veg, then this isn't that long IMO but you can add clonex liquid per the bottle if you just want to get some roots. If they look OK I would just wait it out. Good Luck!