Harvest a Pound Every Three Weeks!

Mont@n@ · Nov 1, 2018

Greenhorngrower said:
Hey stink, I love the system. I've built the cloner and the veg systems Because i could not wait for the results to start.

However...

I have taken clones from plants that were in flower. I have done some research and found that it does take some extra time for the clippings to reveg but imI'on day 181in the cloner and still no roots. My timer is set to 1 on and 5 off, I'm using a 125w cfl for the clippings my water temp is stable in the low 70's, and my ph is at 6.0. Is there anything I can add to the loan them starts rooting faster??

some strains take longer.
my ak47 takes 7 days to show roots while my sweet skunk takes 21-28 days to root.
i use tap no ph. my water temps swing between 75-80 degrees. I change the water every 3-4 days.

i hope it helps

budman880 · Nov 13, 2018

StinkBud said:
My first choice for hydro would be coco fiber/perlite mix with a simple drip system. 5-7 gallon pots using the classic Botanicare mix. If you do decide to run aeroponics then you need to buy a water chiller for the res.

Nothing like reading 600 pages of aeroponics set up info, getting excited then realizing the OP wouldn't even recommend this set up anymore lol

Keesje · Nov 13, 2018

He changed a lot of things during the many years this topic in on this site.
It would be good if he would close it down and start a new one.
Because not everybody will read all 600 pages and finding out that he changed things on the way .

BleedsGreen · Nov 13, 2018

I have used a variation of this system for over 5 years without any issues, the system is designed to be flexible to meet the builders needs. Not many changes anyway really just small tweaks.

StinkBud · Nov 22, 2018

budman880 said:
Nothing like reading 600 pages of aeroponics set up info, getting excited then realizing the OP wouldn't even recommend this set up anymore lol

Actually this is a great system if you follow the directions. It's so much easier to grow in aero than soil! You know exactly what PPM and ratio your nutes are at. If something goes out of balance you can drain the res and start clean. If you add lots of light and CO2 nothing can touch the growth rates. If you keep your room clean and don't bring in any pests you can run years with never spraying.

The only real disadvantage of running aero is keeping the water temps down. As soon as the water gets warm you get root rot. If you run a chiller or a cool room you'll never have problems.

I love soil but it is a royal pain in the ass. It gives pests a place lay eggs and the larvae to survive. Even if you spray it's still a problem. Russet mites are the new killer! Once they infest a soil grow it's hard/impossible to get rid of them. Russets are microscopic and can be blown in the wind along with riding on your clothes, shoes, etc... Spray with sulphur during veg, use Nukem during flower. or... grow aeroponically, start from seed and never deal with pests again.

Yodaweed · Nov 22, 2018

StinkBud said:
Actually this is a great system if you follow the directions. It's so much easier to grow in aero than soil! You know exactly what PPM and ratio your nutes are at. If something goes out of balance you can drain the res and start clean. If you add lots of light and CO2 nothing can touch the growth rates. If you keep your room clean and don't bring in any pests you can run years with never spraying.

The only real disadvantage of running aero is keeping the water temps down. As soon as the water gets warm you get root rot. If you run a chiller or a cool room you'll never have problems.

I love soil but it is a royal pain in the ass. It gives pests a place lay eggs and the larvae to survive. Even if you spray it's still a problem. Russet mites are the new killer! Once they infest a soil grow it's hard/impossible to get rid of them. Russets are microscopic and can be blown in the wind along with riding on your clothes, shoes, etc... Spray with sulphur during veg, use Nukem during flower. or... grow aeroponically, start from seed and never deal with pests again.

Aero systems biggest disadvantage is how many plants need to be run to get the same yield a few plants would get in a proper DWC system. Who wants to take the risk running 30-50 plants that yield the same as 5.

StinkBud · Nov 22, 2018

Keesje said:
He changed a lot of things during the many years this topic in on this site.
It would be good if he would close it down and start a new one.
Because not everybody will read all 600 pages and finding out that he changed things on the way .

If you read my posts you'll find I've always been a big promoter of different growing methods. I tried most methods and there's always good and bad points to each. I used to think that organically grown soil produced the best tasting flower.

I've been growing 100% organic for the last few years but I'm getting lazy and just wanted something simple. I decided to go back to my old Botanicare recipe just for shits and grins. I can't believe how great this last harvest tastes.

StinkBud · Nov 22, 2018

Yodaweed said:
Aero systems biggest disadvantage is how many plants need to be run to get the same yield a few plants would get in a proper DWC system. Who wants to take the risk running 30-50 plants that yield the same as 5.

True, to properly run a perpetual aero system you need a lot of plants. In Oregon, medical patients can have 6 mature plants and 18 immature. We can only have a maximum of 4 patients per grow so the most mature plants I can have in one place is 24. That's why my last system held 8 plants. 8x3=24. I had to keep all my clones under 12" high. I would just crop them and if they got too big, give them away.

On the farm we are licenced by square footage, not plant numbers. We typically run around 1000 plants per greenhouse. We've found we can get an extra turn in by flowering smaller plants. We can cut the veg time a couple of weeks and still end up with the same canopy thickness. We keep our canopy about 2 feet thick and it really doesn't matter whether it's 2ft. high or 5 ft. high. Smaller plants need less thinning, lollipopping, spraying and maintenance while producing the same amount of product.

StinkBud · Nov 22, 2018

Keesje said:
He changed a lot of things during the many years this topic in on this site.
It would be good if he would close it down and start a new one.
Because not everybody will read all 600 pages and finding out that he changed things on the way .

Funny you should say that. I was thinking about designing a hydro/coco, drain-to-waste grow and writing an article on it.

Yodaweed · Nov 22, 2018

StinkBud said:
True, to properly run a perpetual aero system you need a lot of plants. In Oregon, medical patients can have 6 mature plants and 18 immature. We can only have a maximum of 4 patients per grow so the most mature plants I can have in one place is 24. That's why my last system held 8 plants. 8x3=24. I had to keep all my clones under 12" high. I would just crop them and if they got too big, give them away.

On the farm we are licenced by square footage, not plant numbers. We typically run around 1000 plants per greenhouse. We've found we can get an extra turn in by flowering smaller plants. We can cut the veg time a couple of weeks and still end up with the same canopy thickness. We keep our canopy about 2 feet thick and it really doesn't matter whether it's 2ft. high or 5 ft. high. Smaller plants need less thinning, lollipopping, spraying and maintenance while producing the same amount of product.

In colorado we can grow 6 plants , so 6 small plants wouldnt get me through harvests thats why if i do hydro i do RDWC, i can get at least 8 oz per plant, so 3 pounds per harvest.

Keesje · Nov 22, 2018

StinkBud said:
Funny you should say that. I was thinking about designing a hydro/coco, drain-to-waste grow and writing an article on it.

Please do!
I will read it and at least I then can keep up with your writing.

Smokey57 · Nov 22, 2018

StinkBud said:
Funny you should say that. I was thinking about designing a hydro/coco, drain-to-waste grow and writing an article on it.

i would pull up a chair for that article

StinkBud · Nov 23, 2018

Yodaweed said:
In colorado we can grow 6 plants , so 6 small plants wouldnt get me through harvests thats why if i do hydro i do RDWC, i can get at least 8 oz per plant, so 3 pounds per harvest.

So true! 6 little plants would only only last me a month or so. Even my last 6 medium sized plants aren't going to cut it. I smoke alot!! lol

CoB_nUt · Nov 23, 2018

kiwi_guy said:
any updated build/pans for this system... cant decide betwen this or a ppk system

Ppk's have built in redundancy. Less failure points. Really easy to run with comparable growth rates. They get my vote.
Been running them for a while now.

420Barista · Nov 23, 2018

StinkBud said:
So true! 6 little plants would only only last me a month or so. Even my last 6 medium sized plants aren't going to cut it. I smoke alot!! lol

Wow 6 plants would last you only one month? you do smoke alot
I am a daily user but I dont smoke it I VAPE it.
I found that vaping alone uses 1/3 less bud compared to when I smoked it.
when i smoked i would go thru an ounce in a month, Vaping now as I do an ounce lasts 3 months

GoatSoup · Nov 29, 2018

Well the Stinkbud system (Aero) works for me. No Dirt, no bugs and in a cool room no problems that are not self induced. I just use the tubs and they work well. I'm running autos now and I hope to get them down to the 70-80 days advertised.
I rigged up a scrog screen so I just run two plants per ~24"x24" screen/tub. I need to scrog for my LEDs to penetrate well.

Brock_Fawkin_Samson · Dec 28, 2018

GrowBeyond said:
Okay, this is probably a stupid question but I've been searching and searching and I'm still stumped. How the heck do you transplant from veg to flower? If the roots are about as long as 1 bin is tall, how do they fit in a 4 inch fence post?

Ya, I think I'm missing something here too...

Keesje said:
The plants would be fighting for space.
And there would be simply not enough space for the roots.
The roots would fill up the whole container in no time.

Keesje said:
Still, what you want couldn't be finished in a cloner, because the plants would kill each other for lack of space for plants and roots.

420Barista · Dec 29, 2018

Roots arent rigid. When you move them to the tubes just feed the roots in first they will lay along the tube under the net pot.

myke · Jan 9, 2019

Thanks for this.
The veg system,2 totes stacked. Is there any worries of leaking between the two totes?

GoatSoup · Mar 14, 2019

TIp:
Use a smaller tub ("18 gal) on top, it fills with roots and it's a lot shorter.

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