Hollatchaboy
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Yea but you should be able to get it close enough to make a comparison.
Why is defoliation so controversial?
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ÒÒlegilizeitÒÒ
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Flushing is a bit more understandable because that really requires some lab testing to get accurate resultsAgain, agreed. How has nobody run tests on this subject. It's like(dare I mention it), flushing. Just recently I've seen a video where they did a test on flushing. Why did it take so long? Lol
Defloiation on the other hand, just run it, and weigh it lol
ÒÒlegilizeitÒÒ
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In this case maybe it is
If I have a 4x4 with 4 clones in RDWC so they all have the same genetics, environment, lighting, and nutrients.
2 i will shwazz, two I will do my typical light defoliation here and there and a lollipop under my scrog net.
Very, very different extents of defoliation, very constant and even environment for both sides of the test.
Not sure what other variables I would need to worry about
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Horselover fat
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^ sure it's easy to compare two grows like that, but I'm not sure you will get results that can really be applied elsewhere. If you repeat your experiment a few times you will get results that apply to your grow. Some one else growing in a different style might have a different experience. We can't know without testing different ways.
I'm pretty sure defoliating a lot or even "all" leaf from the plant is indeed beneficial for some grow styles. I don't think it's true for all grow styles.
I'm pretty sure defoliating a lot or even "all" leaf from the plant is indeed beneficial for some grow styles. I don't think it's true for all grow styles.
ÒÒlegilizeitÒÒ
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Well It would damn sure be a fair Guage. If I'm pulling 25% more over several grows on one method over another, I will feel very confident those results can be taken elsewhere
Sure isn't a true scientific test, but 10x better than most "tests" in the cannabis world lol
Hollatchaboy
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If nothing else, it's a start. Have to start somewhere.
Horselover fat
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And it will certainly be accurate for your situation, so it should be valuable information for you. I'm not saying you shouldn't do it. I just commented on why there are so few tests around: It's a lot of work to get it right.
Rurumo
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Someone did a side by side defoliation grow here last year-his defoliated plant ended up with the highest yield. It wasn't done to any great scientific standard, but it did show that pretty heavy defoliation didn't hurt yields, and very likely increased them. The people who are totally against defoliation mostly seem to have never tried it for themselves-the same people seem to be against most forms of high stress training, topping, mainlining, supercropping, etc. That's fine too, you can grow great crops without doing any of this stuff-defoliation and high stress (and LST) are simply extra things you can do to maximize your grow, which is probably a limited space with limited plants. These techniques are very important for those of us in legal or medical states who want to follow the letter of the law, which usually means flowering around 4 plants at a time. Heck, if I could fill my backyard with plants, I'd let those babies grow free! BUT, in a 4x4 space, with the electricity I'm burning and the money I've spent on everything else, I want to squeeze my plants for every bud they're worth.
Horselover fat
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^ yeah that. My grow is limited by space. I can give more light than the plants can take - that's easy. I can learn how to feed them like a master, but my 2x4 is 2x4 and learning how to make that space produce the most is what I care about. I've now produced one pound in a go and I'm certain that quite a bit more is possible with the right kind of training and pruning.
getogrow
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Thats the second dumbest thing i have ever seen on this forum and ive seen some SHIT on riu. There is NO WAY you can explain how thats going to help in the end.
I dont mind removing a leaf or two but this is why i dont recommend it EVER. If you did that after the flip , you lost at least 1/3 of your total weight.
tstick
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This is correct. I have never done any of that. I have seen really leafy strains but I guess I just never thought anything special about them as they never applied to me. As I recall, most of those really leafy ones were auto flowering strains and I am not interested in those because there is a flavor in autos that I don't care for. But now that I think about it, yeah...some defoliation would make sense for some strains. I'll try to remember this thread if I ever end up with a really leafy strain someday.
ÒÒlegilizeitÒÒ
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Dude chill.
This is actually done by a lot of growers with great results. Proof is in the pudding. It's called shwazzing.
Read just a few comments above you and we are taking about how I plan on running a few side by sides with clones on that method.
getogrow
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id rather watch your side by side then even think about googling shwazzing. im all for proof. im the first one to admit when im wrong.
ÒÒlegilizeitÒÒ
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There is litteraly a book that coined the term shwazzing in 2015
I have yet to find anyone that preformed this HST technique on healthy plants and destroyed their crop.
You can youtube time-lapses of shwazzing, they are quite impressive.
Here is my current grow, day 1 of 1212 after shwazzing.
Here is 4 days later
I would have done a side by side this grow but it would have been pointless since these are not clones.
ÒÒlegilizeitÒÒ
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Using this technique you are supposed to pull off every single fan leaf big enough to have a stem except 2-4 of the top ones on every node
getogrow
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And what is this supposed to achieve ? looks like lolipopping to me.
ÒÒlegilizeitÒÒ
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It is different than lollipopping in that you cut off absolutely no growth sites
And lollipopping is usually only the bottom 1/3 or less of the plant.
Shwazzing defoliates all the way up only leaving a few leafs at the top
There are acouple ideas of why this is helpful and shows good results for many.
It is supposed to open up the light to the lower canopy, giving "larf" branches prime light
It creates a type of shock response similar to other HST that drives the plant to grow more aggressively
The plant focus more energy on bud site growth, especially with higher ppfd hitting the sugar leafs, rather than sustaining inefficient large fan leafs.
Like I said, if you check out some examples on youtube and other place, some people are pulling giant colas
The book that coined this term claims this is the "secret sauce" to getting "3 a light" (3 pounds per light)
Humboldtcalikidd
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Having a thread about defoliating and getting everyone’s opinions and looking at all the debates back and forth it’s almost as bad as mentioning politics! Scary! It’s only weed guys chill!
ÒÒlegilizeitÒÒ
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Lol thats the problem though, its all opinions and hearsay. I plan on running several tests on this and recording everything on a thread down the line to try to be as constant, and accurate as possible.