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Randomblame said:

Yeah, I've seen it and have it on my wishlist cause I'm switching to coco DTW and plan to run an external 15gal res. Is it worth it? Have found it for ~80$ (70€) on e3ay but with mixed reviews. Some praise it, others complain about dry PH electrodes. What do you think about it? Are replacement electrodes available in case you need a new one. Looks like the EC electrode is not changable(at least without opening the case) but they usually last much longer.

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It was the cheapest combo meter I could find and I am sure it is worth every penny! I think the accuracy is good enough that I can compare readings to other meters and at least be in the ballpark. When comparing readings to itself I don't think there is any real concern, other than perhaps the durability/quality of the sensors. There are calibration screws for pH and ppm so if measurement accuracy is a concern you could buy or make up standard solutions to observe any drift.

When I did environmental work we used multi thousand dollar a ysi, or hach water quality meters, pH probes dried out when in long term storage. DO senors were the worst, trying to fill them and get the membrane on with no bubbles if fucking wyoming wind storm? GFL.

Did the company take care of the issue or did people have to buy a new probe? IIRC the ec and pH probe part nos. were listen on the porly translated instruction sheet. You can tell I didn't do a whole lot a research.

Thanks, bro! I'm using cheap meters myself and can not complain. The digital PH meter I have is pretty fast, at least 10x faster like my old Hanna PH meter and accuracy is almost the same. Cheap one 5,83$, e3ay, 5 weeks shipping from china.

I'll probably use this one..(50 bucks)

OneHitDone said:

You guys can get all butthurt at what brother @hybridway2 is saying but that doesn't change the fact he is speaking truth.
Just look at the struggle HLG's own shining star is having trying to get plants on point, one issue after the other even with the guidance of the top led "professionals".

Just listen for yourself at about 3:35 and it's not just ph or the issue would have fully cleared several crops ago

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hybridway2 said:

The Dawg knows nothing. Dont waste ur time. Ive been testing theories to defeat this problem for 2 yrs.
My vdp is on point this time.
Some of my worst issues were under the 3k, 90cri QB.
From my tons of experience with this, im seeing less problems when there is some high K added to the spectrum. The blue prevents it. My MH actually cures the purple stem in veg but once flower starts there is no reversing it. Only riding it out. I was licky enough to stabilize it last run around week 5.5-6 & pull decent stuff.
Also its not all strains but thats nothing to get cheery about. A loss is a loss & we buy led for gains only.
Back to work, thnx for discussing. Thinking we should start another thread about this & really put some good heads together.
For those who dont believe, try growing.

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IMO the claim that "these issues don't exist under HID" is BS, y'all just aren't looking closely enough. The compound interaction of variables is not quantifiably evaluated by a stoner in a basement. We are not equipped, not even the pros that are pulling terpene profiles. If there is no benifit to adjusting spectrum why are millions being spent on optimizing it for food crops?

Cannabis.Queen said:

Gotta let the nails breathe for a week then put some. Ore on lol that shot ruis man your nails I would encourage not doing it lol

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Nope Not Going To Happen!! Why For 2 Reasons 1st Is I Grow My Own Booger Pickers 2nd Is I'm Not One Of Those Down Low Muther Fuckers That Needs To Man Scape. However I Do Put On My Ladies Panties And Wear High Heel Sneakers

Since @Thegermling and @Randomblame were looking over as I pulled my girl out to give her a flush,




I thought I might as well share a little mid-week fright for the rest of the "competition"

Randomblame said:

@The Dawg you have used CRI80 and 90 many times, do you remember getting less purple veins or less mg issues with CRI90 compared to CRI80?

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Nope I Cured That Issue Years Ago When I Switched To Jacks Hydroponic. I Run 1/2 Teaspoon Of Both 5-12-26 And 15-0-0 Plus I Add 2.5mL Of Extreme Gardens Mag Amp Problem Solved.

hybridway2 said:

The Dawg knows nothing. Dont waste ur time. Ive been testing theories to defeat this problem for 2 yrs.
My vdp is on point this time.
Some of my worst issues were under the 3k, 90cri QB.
From my tons of experience with this, im seeing less problems when there is some high K added to the spectrum. The blue prevents it. My MH actually cures the purple stem in veg but once flower starts there is no reversing it. Only riding it out. I was licky enough to stabilize it last run around week 5.5-6 & pull decent stuff.
Also its not all strains but thats nothing to get cheery about. A loss is a loss & we buy led for gains only.
Back to work, thnx for discussing. Thinking we should start another thread about this & really put some good heads together.
For those who dont believe, try growing.

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Then Why Dont I Experience The Same Issues As You Do Huh Pussy. Oh And I'm Not The Only Grower On This Site That Doesn't Get Deficiency When Using Leds Why Cause We Know How To Read A Plant. Now Excuse Me While I Watch Brother OneHitDone Video.To Humor Him

OneHitDone said:

You guys can get all butthurt at what brother @hybridway2 is saying but that doesn't change the fact he is speaking truth.
Just look at the struggle HLG's own shining star is having trying to get plants on point, one issue after the other even with the guidance of the top led "professionals".

Just listen for yourself at about 3:35 and it's not just ph or the issue would have fully cleared several crops ago

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Ok Just Listen To Over 40 Minutes Worth And You Need To Go Back And Really Listen. The Dumbass In the Middle I'm Assuming Is the Shinning Star Really. He States That He Was Adding Up To 5 To 10x The Amount Of Ph Up As He Normally SHOULD Durp And That Wasn't A Red Flag Really. The 1st Time Something Like That Happen To Me I Was Researching My Ass Off And What I Found Out was I Had An Imbalance Within My NH03 And NH40H Causing My Ph To Crash Within 2 Hours Of A Res Change. In Layman's Terms My Plant Was Doing An Ammonium Dump Causing My Ph To Crash All Chronicled In The Dawgs Winter Wonderland Grow And It Took Me About 24 Hours Of Searching The Web To Find This Out. The Shinning Star Of The Group Is The Grower Named Wolverine 420 That Cat Seemed Knows His Shit And If I Was You Guy's I Would Hit His Insta Gram And Ask Your Questions. I'm Fairly Positive He Could Answer Your Questions

The Dawg said:

Ok Just Listen To Over 40 Minutes Worth And You Need To Go Back And Really Listen. The Dumbass In the Middle I'm Assuming Is the Shinning Star Really. He States That He Was Adding Up To 5 To 10x The Amount Of Ph Up As He Normally SHOULD Durp And That Wasn't A Red Flag Really. The 1st Time Something Like That Happen To Me I Was Researching My Ass Off And What I Found Out was I Had An Imbalance Within My NH03 And NH40H Causing My Ph To Crash Within 2 Hours Of A Res Change. In Layman's Terms My Plant Was Doing An Ammonium Dump Causing My Ph To Crash All Chronicled In The Dawgs Winter Wonderland Grow And It Took Me About 24 Hours Of Searching The Web To Find This Out. The Shinning Star Of The Group Is The Grower Named Wolverine 420 That Cat Knows His Shit And If I Was You Guy's I Would Hit His Insta Gram And Ask Your Questions. I'm Fairly Positive He Could Answer Your Questions

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You mean at min.10.40...?

They should learn how coco DTW really works.
With 1 watering per day you treat it almost like soil. Results are comparable to soil grows for that reason. The real benefits from coco they would get with up to 5 waterings per day and maybe another feeding at night. Low ppm's around 600-700 and a little bit of run-off with each watering. That's already enough to avoids salt build up and keep things stable.
Results can be 30% higher compared to soil and because of the low ppm feedings there is no wasted fertilizer compared to other grow styles.
Jacks is not available here but I've ordered 5lbs MasterBlend 4-18-38 + calcinit 15-0-0 + epsom salt MgSO4 (2:2:1 formula) and seems to be pretty close. 26€/2,5kg is really okay for our situation.

So is it cheating if I put one aeroponic mister in the bottom of a Red Solo? lol

The Dawg said:

Then Why Dont I Experience The Same Issues As You Do Huh Pussy. Oh And I'm Not The Only Grower On This Site That Doesn't Get Deficiency When Using Leds Why Cause We Know How To Read A Plant. Now Excuse Me While I Watch Brother OneHitDone Video.To Humor Him

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Just stop butthead. I can read my plants just fine. One day theyre screaming for joy next day the limp leaf sets in, then yellow. Then dark vein, then all fans start slowly dying off. Only on certain strains im seeing the others are doing great although it can happen to them to. Seen it start as late as wk 5 before but usually early flower youll know which plants will role with led & which ones wont.
This plant was doing fine untill "LedDefficiency" set in.
Shame, she couldve been a 1.5-2 #"r

Randomblame said:

You mean at min.10.40...?

They should learn how coco DTW really works.
With 1 watering per day you treat it almost like soil. Results are comparable to soil grows for that reason. The real benefits from coco they would get with up to 5 waterings per day and maybe another feeding at night. Low ppm's around 600-700 and a little bit of run-off with each watering. That's already enough to avoids salt build up and keep things stable.
Results can be 30% higher compared to soil and because of the low ppm feedings there is no wasted fertilizer compared to other grow styles.
Jacks is not available here but I've ordered 5lbs MasterBlend 4-18-38 + calcinit 15-0-0 + epsom salt MgSO4 (2:2:1 formula) and seems to be pretty close. 26€/2,5kg is really okay for our situation.

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Yea It Was Around That Time Mark When He Made That Statement. Plus Their About 10 Other Remarks He Made That Made Me Do An And Scratch My Head.Now I'm By No Means An Expert But Even I Can Tell When Someones Just Repeating Bullshit That They Have Heard 2nd Hand. As Far As Coco Is Concerned Where's Brother Puffenuff When You Need Him.

ONCE You Go Dry Ferts You Will Never Go Back To Watered Down Bottle Ferts

Oh While I'm At It This Weeks Word Is SHAFT

The Dawg said:

Oh While I'm At It This Weeks Word Is SHAFT

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Yes, the rest of the growers left in this comp are going to feel they got the shaft when @Stephenj37826 is mailing that first place HLG prize to me

hybridway2 said:

Just stop butthead. I can read my plants just fine. One day theyre screaming for joy next day the limp leaf sets in, then yellow. Then dark vein, then all fans start slowly dying off. Only on certain strains im seeing the others are doing great although it can happen to them to. Seen it start as late as wk 5 before but usually early flower youll know which plants will role with led & which ones wont.
This plant was doing fine untill "LedDefficiency" set in.
Shame, she couldve been a 1.5-2 #"rView attachment 4314659

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Really Let Me Lay Some Wisdom At Your Feet. When Your Veg Nutes Are Fucked Your Flowering Plants Will Have The Very Same Characteristics As You Have Explained. Now I Know What You Need And I Will Let The Great Cornholio Explain

OneHitDone said:

Yes, the rest of the growers left in this comp are going to feel they got the shaft when @Stephenj37826 is mailing that first place HLG prize to me

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I Would Keep A Keen Lookout As The Shaft May Be Looking For You

OneHitDone said:

You guys can get all butthurt at what brother @hybridway2 is saying but that doesn't change the fact he is speaking truth.
Just look at the struggle HLG's own shining star is having trying to get plants on point, one issue after the other even with the guidance of the top led "professionals".

Just listen for yourself at about 3:35 and it's not just ph or the issue would have fully cleared several crops ago

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Im only 13 min in and all i hear is various excuses for why they have the "LedDefficiency" symptoms. I'd LOL but it actually hurts to hear cuz it only makes it all the more true. WTF
Damn, so7nds exactly like me. It must be this or it must be that. NOPE!!! YOU KNOW.....

Cupdate . Well, she grew allot over the past week. Feeding 99x a day.
You can tell its the same plant cuz it has the LedDefficiency.

hybridway2 said:

View attachment 4314735 Cupdate . Well, she grew allot over the past week. Feeding 99x a day.
You can tell its the same plant cuz it has the LedDefficiency.

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Ill grow a 2 pounder and ill document it this year. I run in pure coco too and I wont have any "led deficiencies". Ill tag you in on it when its over.
Thats some weird shit going on with your plants. reminds me of a plant I grew outdoors once where one branch out of all the branches was wilting, thought I had fusarium wilt and shit. Do you use beneficial microbes at all?
They help coat the roots and protect against bad pathogens. Should look into it. Great stuff.

hybridway2 said:

Im only 13 min in and all i hear is various excuses for why they have the "LedDefficiency" symptoms. I'd LOL but it actually hurts to hear cuz it only makes it all the more true. WTF
Damn, so7nds exactly like me. It must be this or it must be that. NOPE!!! YOU KNOW.....

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Son You Need To Take The Cotton Out Your Ears And Stick It In Your Mouth