Shrink Concludes that Liberals really are insane - shocking!

medicineman

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Well, there's the difference between a liberal and a conservative/libertarian.

You, Med, consider yourself to be one of "government's people," while I, and others here in the forum consider ourselves to be OUR OWN PEOPLE. I/we are NOT owned by some imaginary vision called "Government," "The State," or "The Supreme Leader." I/we answer only to God and our own conscience. In case you didn't know ... its called liberty and freedom.

Continue to lick the hand of those who feed you Med. As for me, my family and my friends ... we opt not to live on the Federal Plantation as the slaves of bureaucrats in Washington D.C.

And by the way, on the Fair Tax ... do a little research on the subject so you won't sound so ignorant when speaking or writing about it.

Vi
What kind of rant is this? This is a hate rant. You always rant how me and my kind do this or that. frankly you asshole, you know very little about me and I would appreciate if you took the personal thing out of our discussions or I'll not have any recourse but to relegate you the the Idiota-Assholio category, and BTW you were going to paste up some propaganda on this fair tax for the rich bullshit, what's up?
 

ViRedd

New Member
What kind of rant is this? This is a hate rant. You always rant how me and my kind do this or that. frankly you asshole, you know very little about me and I would appreciate if you took the personal thing out of our discussions or I'll not have any recourse but to relegate you the the Idiota-Assholio category, and BTW you were going to paste up some propaganda on this fair tax for the rich bullshit, what's up?
Translation: "Yikes, the fucking guy has me pegged! I'd better start throwing thicker mud!"

Med ... I know enough about you, based upon the drivel you post in this forum, to know that you see yourself and you fellow citizens as "government's people." And that was the gist of my post. You know, the post that you decided to smear with your above comments?

Vi

 

medicineman

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Translation: "Yikes, the fucking guy has me pegged! I'd better start throwing thicker mud!"

Med ... I know enough about you, based upon the drivel you post in this forum, to know that you see yourself and you fellow citizens as "government's people." And that was the gist of my post. You know, the post that you decided to smear with your above comments?

Vi
What about your fair tax pasty bullshit, I'll deal with your infantile insults as I should, Ignore them. although, every opportunity to call you a name is so tempting, I can't resist, Idiota-Assholio.
 

VictorVIcious

Well-Known Member
A problem free live doesn't exist Med. Please show me one goverment program that saves us money. Private enterprise can do it cheaper. Why? Because they don't have to have 37 administrative personell go thru the paper work to make sure no one is 'cheating the government. How is that working out. Your problem is simple, the greed of man.
Why does housing cost so much? Because of the demand, right? What fuels the demand? Easy credit and supposed tax breaks for homeowners. They threw us a bone, you can still claim the interest on your house as an expense and look at all the money you saved in taxes. I had to explain this to my step father one year, he wanted to know how much the $7000.00 they were spending on a Mortgage and property taxes was saving them. This is insidious, wake up. SO I explained it to him this way. "Tell you what Gail, you just give me the $7000.00 in interest and I'll give you back $2000.00, thats more than the difference in you taxes. Its insane, we pay three to four times what a house is worth so we can move in and start living the American Dream of homeownership and the Government makes it affordable by giving a break on income tax. What a snow job. We live in an artificially created prosperity, just waiting for the price of our house to raise so we can refi our way to prosperity and security. Security and prosperity are created by puttting money in the bank. We call people losers if they live with thier parents instead of getting out on thier own. Folks spend $120.00 a year to make sure thier credit is good, shouldn't be necessary, hell it must be good, they owe everybody in town.
When I was young, it was a big deal to borrow money, a lot of those folks had been thru the depression. now they give you a gold star and save you hundreds of dollars in your cash flow. Bullshit, all it does is allow you to continue to spend beyond your means, create a false demand for goods and services we don't need and can't afford. Did you notice, almost everyone can afford a cell phone and a few have computers and internet access. DVD and MP3 sales are in the billions. What would happen to your economy if you couldn't buy the newest ones. You would save money, that ain't cool. Now you add all of that junk, won't last a year and spread the payments for it over the next thirty years. Why? to get out of debt. Easy credit is costing me money and it is costing you money. If I choose not to use it I will be paying for someone that does so they can continue to live in a house bigger then they need.
Who are these 'Auto Workers'. Why do they deserve to live better? Why should I have to pay taxes to retrain the guy that has been earning $40,000 while I have been making $20,000 or less. My brother started working at GM within a week of turning 18 and he is still there. He will be 61 this year. What happened to 30 and out? Prices went up so high because of inflated demand, they can't afford to retire? Or did they just keep spending all the money as instructed to save money on thier taxes? 95 % of the people in this counrty couldn't write a check for $2000.00 at age 65. Haven't been able to save $50.00 a year over the last 40 years. Our President went on National television after 9-11 and advised the American people to shop. Everything is great just keep fueling our false economy, continue the expansion, a few more Hundred Billion in Stimulas packages and we will borrow our way out. STOP SPENDING MONEY WE DON'T HAVE FOR SUCH A STUPID POLICY. Let me put my money in the goddamn bank and I won't need to have my kids be slaves to pay for my retirement, I'll pay my own way.
I watched in horror as they asked the head of the FRB if $100,000,000,000.00 spent was enough to make a difference. His response, it will help short term. NO it won't, it is just delaying the result. We have to save more than we spend to get on a sound financial footing. VV
 

VictorVIcious

Well-Known Member
I personally hope the bottom falls out of the housing market. I bet if a few more million people stop paying thier mortgages the prices will come down, it will be painful, it is necessary. You are right charity should begins at home. Lets keep all of our money and all of our troops right here at home. Let the rest of the world settle thier differences as they see fit. Or go bankrupt. And did you totally miss that it is the corporate profits that are considered income and that is what is supposed to be taxed, not wages????? VV
 

medicineman

New Member
I personally hope the bottom falls out of the housing market. I bet if a few more million people stop paying thier mortgages the prices will come down, it will be painful, it is necessary. You are right charity should begins at home. Lets keep all of our money and all of our troops right here at home. Let the rest of the world settle thier differences as they see fit. Or go bankrupt. And did you totally miss that it is the corporate profits that are considered income and that is what is supposed to be taxed, not wages????? VV
Please VV, that is the most assets I have, the price of my house and rentals. I could have walked with some big cash 1-1/2 years ago and I'm seeing my assets slip away as we talk. Geeze, maybe I should hurry up and take reverse mortgages out on them before the market crumbles completely. I'm in agreement with you on about 90% of what you have said, Being a working stiff, mostly union, of course I differ with your opinion of the auto workers. They worked many years to get those wages and benefits up to the middle class zone. The high price of autos have a lot to do with government controls and the high price of medical. Universal health care would lower the price of an automobile by about 3-5K. And if you took that accross the board with corporations, a lot of prices could come down, although I doubt that would happen, Greed you know, I haven't seen any prices coming down lately.
 

7xstall

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Please VV, that is the most assets I have, the price of my house and rentals. I could have walked with some big cash 1-1/2 years ago and I'm seeing my assets slip away as we talk. Geeze, maybe I should hurry up and take reverse mortgages out on them before the market crumbles completely. I'm in agreement with you on about 90% of what you have said, Being a working stiff, mostly union, of course I differ with your opinion of the auto workers. They worked many years to get those wages and benefits up to the middle class zone. The high price of autos have a lot to do with government controls and the high price of medical. Universal health care would lower the price of an automobile by about 3-5K. And if you took that accross the board with corporations, a lot of prices could come down, although I doubt that would happen, Greed you know, I haven't seen any prices coming down lately.
but like he said about the housing boom, if the government subsidizes health care, or even worse - if they try to completely manage it - we'll just pay higher taxes so we're all poorer...




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