medicineman
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Not exactly, but it has forced a lot more young people to stay at their parents homes untill well into adulthood. And this loon bit is a compliment coming from you, thanks. Idiota-Assholio.
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7xstall
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well, mccain, rudy, and all the rest of them are far too liberal (in the modern, incorrect sense of the word) to get my vote.
i don't see what you're saying...
the neo-cons and libs both love the UN and all the other wasteful international orgs/expensive dinner groups. they both want to increase government spending and overall size. they both want increased government meddling in everything from farming to airlines.
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7xstall
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medicineman
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The only deduction I can make from your posts is that you are a right wing anarchist, and would like to see government go Bye-Bye. The wild wild west all over again, where everyone carries a gun and the baddest meanest quickest on the draw rule. Well, that my friend is not my idea of a perfect world. If I thought everyone was like me, I'd throw away my guns, problem is, they're not, and there are some mean badasses out there, and my .45 makes me equal, as long as I have it in my hand. Unfortunately, there is a need for government. I myself do not like the big brother aspect of it, never did. In fact, I have been pissed off at government for longer than you have been alive. I totally blame them for my younger brothers death at an early age, (Viet Nam). But in my view the prime reason to have a government is for it to take care of it's people. We pay in so we can assure our safety and well being. That includes such things as Medical and food and lodging for the underclass. If you make more from this wonderful Capitalism system you should contribute more to the running of the country that made it possible for you to accumulate this wealth. The current government is totally out of control however and needs revamping.
7xstall
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when i was a kid i described myself exactly as you just said it, right wing anarchist. good call, med!
as i've grown up and learned more i would say i'm just a plain old confederate. the government does have a role to play in the welfare of the people but that government can not and should not be spread all over the country trying to force all these different states and cultures to be homogeneous. that's why we have states, so the federal government can do its very narrow and specific jobs (courts, borders, small standing army) effectively. in their lust for power they have spread themselves too thin.. in the process they have handicapped the states who know their people best so the federal government has made itself blind and deaf - stupidly rolling out broad, sweeping plans that damage more people than they help.
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as i've grown up and learned more i would say i'm just a plain old confederate. the government does have a role to play in the welfare of the people but that government can not and should not be spread all over the country trying to force all these different states and cultures to be homogeneous. that's why we have states, so the federal government can do its very narrow and specific jobs (courts, borders, small standing army) effectively. in their lust for power they have spread themselves too thin.. in the process they have handicapped the states who know their people best so the federal government has made itself blind and deaf - stupidly rolling out broad, sweeping plans that damage more people than they help.
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This Offends Me!!
I'm calling my ACLU lawyer to sue the crap out of this guy and this website!
medicineman
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Right on Dog, right on!This Offends Me!!
I'm calling my ACLU lawyer to sue the crap out of this guy and this website!
medicineman
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So, what is your solution? And please dont start like that Nazi Vi and say repeal the income tax, This supposed fair tax that all the right wingnuts espouse is all about the rich not paying any income taxes. Geeze, do they think we are that stupid?
Hidden Agenda
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way to addres the issues. It's funny that the platform of your party has become nothing more than smearing and ad hominem attaacks.
I really believe in fiscal conservatism when it comes to the federal government.
socially however, i do not want your morals or religious beliefs pushed on me, even if i agree with them.
closet.cult
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See, this is where we part ways. To me, the prime reason to have government is to PROTECT the people, NOT take care of the people.
Protect us from dangers INSIDE and OUTSIDE of our boundaries. That includes an army for direct threats and regulation of food and water supplies. A few others too: protect the value of our currency & punishing predatory business practices, as well.
That's about it, though. For every task we give the government in 'taking care of us' (far too broad a term to be usefull) they have to demand money from us. If we, the people, take care of ourselves (and those in our individual communities who need help) the government can play a far smaller role in our lives.
THAT is what it means to be conservative. Neo-cons are NOT conservatives. They are imperialists. They don't want to live and let live, take care of themselves and help the community prosper. They want power and possessions. They are liberals because of the role they give government. They are imperialists because they believe it is THEY who should run that government.
Hidden Agenda
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You guys throw the word liberal around so much that it means nothing anymore other than an attempted insult.
Rudy? Mccain? Do you think any true liberals would vote for people like them? Do you think fucking mccain could have taken the democratic nomination? To a real liberal, there is nobody in the race to support. Obama may be the closest thing.
What liberal is going to vote for a guy that says he would stay in iraq for 100 years? what liberal is going to vote for mr 9/11? the guy who would do his best this country orwellian? seriously. if you want to liberal bash, at least fucking be consistent and dont use that word every time you disagree with something. the world isn't so black and white.
7xstall
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it is true, the federal government has no right to forcibly tax you and me for anything - ANYTHING - no matter how nice and sweet it sounds like their plan for our money is.
i would start by wiping out almost all of the federal agencies. it would hurt and it wouldn't be popular, thousands of people would be jobless but there would be a generous severance. (no doubt the ones with useful skills would be quickly picked up by one of the new enterprises created in my flourishing economy.)
there would be no more federal blacklist of nations not to trade with. those decisions should be the responsibility of the person spending the money.
the "preferred trading partners" lists would be thrown away.
i do realize that just as was the case in the 1800s many of the states still rely on the federal government because they don't have the ability to be self-sufficient. they would be encouraged to band together and form alliances on their own instead of acting like aggressive beggars on the street. they would have to re-tool much of their industry and have to learn to live within their means for once.
it would be a harshly unpopular change for a few years but once the freedom and liberty kicked in people would be more satisfied than they believed possible.
that's how all dreams go, though, isn't it?
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Hidden Agenda
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so who have you supported? just curious. because your views seem in line with ron paul when it comes to those issues.it is true, the federal government has no right to forcibly tax you and me for anything - ANYTHING - no matter how nice and sweet it sounds like their plan for our money is.
i would start by wiping out almost all of the federal agencies. it would hurt and it wouldn't be popular, thousands of people would be jobless but there would be a generous severance. (no doubt the ones with useful skills would be quickly picked up by one of the new enterprises created in my flourishing economy.)
there would be no more federal blacklist of nations not to trade with. those decisions should be the responsibility of the person spending the money.
the "preferred trading partners" lists would be thrown away.
i do realize that just as was the case in the 1800s many of the states still rely on the federal government because they don't have the ability to be self-sufficient. they would be encouraged to band together and form alliances on their own instead of acting like aggressive beggars on the street. they would have to re-tool much of their industry and have to learn to live within their means for once.
it would be a harshly unpopular change for a few years but once the freedom and liberty kicked in people would be more satisfied than they believed possible.
that's how all dreams go, though, isn't it?
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and on those issues, i agree with you.