Discussion in 'Hydroponics / Aeroponics' started by StinkBud, Oct 5, 2008.
I'd say the big changes would be running lower PPM on your nutes. You can safely run around 800-1000 PPM although you may need to up that with more Cal/mag depending on the strain. I also recommend running a water chiller and inoculating your res with Hydroguard or another brand of beneficial bacteria. I've had good luck running large ice coolers for my res. Keeps the water nice and cool, it's water tight and insulated so your water chiller doesn't have to work as hard.
I've had good luck with coco/perlite grow methods too. Drip rings set to feed 3-4 times a day. 400 PPM with standard Botanicare nutes. 5-7 gallon containers.
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Genetics have been my big passion over the last few years. Soil works better for breeding because it's easy to move plants around. I always take my pollen donor out of the tent when I spray her with silver. We'll be building a breeding room the first of the year. It will have 6 separate 6X6 grow spaces. I'll be breeding our top strains with some land race genetics like Durban Poison, Afghan and Thai. It should be a lot of fun! We have an amazing Durban Poison female that should make for some great genetics. We have about 6 strains that have tested out over 30% and a couple of good CBD strains too. If you live or visit Oregon be sure to try out some sofresh farms products and see for yourself how good it is. The Veterans Kush I bred is great for anxiety and depression. It will be on the shelves early this next year. The current batch is looking amazing and the last test batch was the best flower I've ever smoked in my life!
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New guy here. First off I used to grow soil but stopped years ago due to life happening.
My wife was diagnosed with ovarian cancer and started treatment. I could go into more but short story even after doctors said she wouldn’t make it she did. Went into remission and made it again.
2 years ago breast cancer. Fuck. Not again. Started radiation and was so bad. Friends sujested using marijuana and we did, helped immensely. Plus she was able to stop radiation half way through treatments. Not sure if it helped but feeling better was worth it.
I want to help out a friend now. Pay it back. So I have a 4x8 tent and a closet for cloning/veg and would like to try Stinkbuds rail system.
With a limitation of 4x8 tent flower room should I go with 7’ rails? I was thinking 5 rails and 10” spacing for the plants. I know I’d need at least a 1000gph pump. Am I off my rocker? Will this work?
Any recommendations greatly appreciated for my space limitations.
I’ve read about 40 pages and am sure this system will work. Just need a little guidance.
I do have room for the resivior outside the tent. Was thinking of plumbing it that way.
Sorry to hear about your wife bro. It sounds like you guys have it beat though! My mom lost both her breasts to cancer years ago but things are going great now. They got this shit wired now. Prayers and hugs sent...
I was using a 4X8 tent a couple of years ago. I was able to fit two StinkBud Jr. systems side-by-side. Heat will be your biggest enemy. Tents can get hot in the summer. If you don't have massive A/C you'll end up with root rot. I ran air-cooled lights to help keep the temps down but summer got a little warm. The plants kicked ass during the winter though! They were right by a window and loved it at 72 degrees in the tents.
I recommend a water chiller if you want to run aeroponics. If you can't afford A/C and a water chiller you are better off running soil. If you run Subcool's super soil recipe you don't even have to fertilize. Use 7-10 gal containers. If you want the growth rates of aeroponics without the hassles then go with a coco/perlite mix on two 4x4 drain tables. 440 gal pump through drip rings set to run 3-4x a day. You can use 100% organic nutes and beneficial bacteria too.
If I were you I'd focus on finding good genetics and just run soil. You wouldn't believe how good some of the strains are right now. Bruce Banner, Dog Walker, Tahoe Cure, Nuken all consistently test out over 30% THC. Critical Cure is an amazing 1:1 strain that smells and tastes like sweet mango. We've won a couple of cups with our Durban Poison. I call it speed weed because it makes you want to do something. I'll be mixing all our amazing strains with the land-race strains I bought. You guys will have to make a trip to Oregon!
Good growing bro!
Thanks for the quick reply. Wife is doing great physicaly but still dealing with the emotions that still haunt her.
I have air cooled hoods and a separate fan for the tent itself. I was planning on leaving the resivior(s) outside the tent. I'm lucky that its a very cool area and I can afford a.c. and a chiller if needed.
Going to think on what you've recommended about going back to soil. I just was thinking of not having to deal with soil at crop time. Less waste to deal with your system. Plus I like a bit of a challenge.
Maybe I could do 1 jr and rest soil to see what I like best.
The best thing about Aero is you can actually run a pest free grow. With soil it's not uncommon to have gnats, spider mites and even worse, russet mites. If you start with a sterile system and use seeds the only way your plants will get pests is if you bring them into the room. I was able to run a clean pest free grow for years but as soon as I started bringing soil into the room I had to start spraying again. Coco/perlite is the best of both worlds. You can run a completely organic solution with the growth rates of aeroponics.
I started this thread in 2008. I'm not good at math but I would have to say that's a long fucking time ago! My how times have changed!
Do you guys know why I switched from soil to hydro many years ago? Grab a cup of Joe, a bong-hit and I'll tell you.... Way back in the 80-90's it was illegal to grow cannabis. In fact if they caught you growing, you went to jail. A buddy of mine did 5 years! It was fucking scary back then! Cops would set outside the hydro stores and write down the licence plate numbers of everyone going into the hydro stores. Then they would show up at your front door and do what they called a, "knock & talk". Sometimes they would ring the door bell and when you answered they'd reach out to shake your hand and introduce themselves. When you shook their hand they'd grab on and drag you outside the house. It was a scare tactic that worked well. In your home they need a search warrant, outside it's a different story.
So I used to do things like drive past the hydro store a dozen times looking for guys setting in unmarked cars. If possible, I'd park at Taco Bell and walk a block to the hydro store. Carrying huge bags of soil was not an option though. That meant I had to get in and out fast. It was like a fucking military operation. I'd plan everything out so it went as fast as possible. I'd park my car at the pizza place next door and run in/out as fast as I could (without looking like an idiot) while the whole time my heart would be racing! It fucking sucked big time! It felt like I was doing some kind of a big drug deal or something! For fucking dirt!!! That's about the same time that hydroponics was coming into fashion. You can imagine how stoked I was to find another option besides soil. With DIY hydro all I needed was a backpack to carry a few nutes. I could park far away and not have to worry about getting busted. I also found out I could actually have a "bug-free" grow for the first time in my life. So I was like, "fuck dirt" and the rest is history.
It's ironic how it's gone full-circle. Now we don't have to worry about buying soil. Just call up the local distributor and they deliver a truck load of what ever recipe you want. I used to fear the police showing up at the door. Now we're filling out a police reports over stolen cannabis plants after after a break-in. The cop's like, "We're going get these mother-fuckers!" lol
It's been so long now and I almost forgot what it was like growing in the 80-90s. It was so scary back then. There are many states out there that people are still living in fear. They may be growing in a small closet or basement just to help someone in need. Every time there is a knock on the door their heart races. This is no way for anyone to live. That's why I've never given up the fight. I really don't care "how" someone grows. All I care is that they are growing. Whether you choose soil, coco, aero, etc... it doesn't matter. Synthetic or organic, I don't give a fuck. Whatever works for you is the right way. Today it might be coco, tomorrow it might be bleached, organic, fuckweed fiber. Who the fuck cares! All that matters is you grow weed... so stop reading this right now and go grow weed...
I'm a soil grower interested in learning about hydro growing and just stumbled upon this thread. I'm thinking this will have all I need to know, right on @StinkBud
My first choice for hydro would be coco fiber/perlite mix with a simple drip system. 5-7 gallon pots using the classic Botanicare mix. If you do decide to run aeroponics then you need to buy a water chiller for the res.
I run top feed in pure rockwool grow cubes with a small layer off hydroton at the bottom. For my big plants I run a dripper/pump and they will feed 2-3 times a day depending on size and pot size (usually #7 for my monsters). My smaller plants i just hand feed in rockwool. The system works great, no worries about root rot or anything, the only down side is constantly getting more rockwool. Need to find something sustainable with similar properties.
Awesome thread brother @StinkBud , admittedly I need to spend a few hours going back through and you may have answered this:
What ppm scale are you referring to - 500 or 700?
Are you still recommending Pure Blend Pro and do you have any sure fire veg and flower recipes you could share in ml/gal?
Ahoy Stinkbud! I'm glad to find you are still active on the net. I was a member on your own SB Forum page years ago and after one soil grow I switched to your cloner, +modified for veg and bud, with a short rubber maid to hold the roots, as a method. I added a PVC frame to hold up the ~48" Super Lemon Haze. I was using 8X 48"T5's for veg and budding. Worked a charm but I got paranoid about the cops and broke it all down in '09.
Your method worked well and I had few problems with it, despite being a lazy stoner. I ran 16 SLHz plants in two RM tubs and got ~600 gm's dry after ~15 weeks in veg-bloom. I didn't think that too bad for 500 watts florescent tubes. Results were as good as the normal Nor Cal bag weed, if a bit harsh tasting from a poor cure process.
With the 2018 changes in the California law I thought I'd retool and start a small grow for personal use in a 8'X3" closet . thought I'd try running three tubs, with two in staggered SOG ( to restrict height) flower, and one for clone/veg of clones. I'll try for a 9-12 week cycle depending on clone type.
The SLH took a Looooong time to finish, was wondering if AK47, or other, would be shorter and faster, in this method?
Incredible thread. Believe it or not i have read every post, took a few months but got it done. I have slowly been gathering the gear to put one of these systems together.
I have a couple of questions.
I will be using a 10x10 x 8 foot ceiling bedroom. 3-600w HPS hooded lights, 1 each per flowering unit. T5's in closet for cloning and vegging. I was thinking of using 2'x4' foot tents for flowering. Is this to much light (heat) for a 2x4 (ha ha never too much light)? Is there enuf room for 8-10 plants to grow in the 2x4? The reason for tents is to control the environment in each tent. If i have problems in one it wont (hopefully) spread to the other tents. or should i just go for it and use 6x9 in the open room with 3 lights?
When the time comes to retire the grow (and sell house) will it be necessary to replace all the drywall in the bedroom? I'm thinking about stink and moisture.
by the way do you know how hard it is to find the fence rails in Canada. Best i can find is 4x4x96 for $65. i will cut in half and use 48 inch rails. still $250 just for rails (need a spare for cleaning time etc)
lots more to think about but for now this is my biggest concern.
Pretty impressed you had the patience to read every page Smokey!
Don’t know if you’ve ordered the rails yet but I was able to find 5x5 by pretty much any length you want for a bit less shipped. Weatherables by USA vinyl was the company. Customer service was very very good too. Shipping to Canada was about ten days.
Also Rona carries vinyl fence posts in the summer.
it helped that i could read at least half at work. there were a few pages of bickering but other than that it was a fun read
you got me excited about USA vinyl but shipping for 6 post was $170USD. other than that it was great. lol
Wow! They charged me $99.09 cad shipping? Bought 28’ plus 8 end caps, total including shipping was $203.00
My very first hydro system was a flood/drain table using rockwool. Back in the day flood/drain was king.
If you have something that works, don't switch! Your time is better spent finding some amazing strains. We have a few strains consistently testing out over 30% THC. Our last batch of Black Betty hit 33%.
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