Global Governance through Realtime Interaction.

Drgreenz

Drgreenz

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These idiologies although great in theory dont work. they have never worked, and will never work. there is a reason why every socialist/communist country has eventually changed to capitalism(dont argue that china is still comunist, its government may be but its economy is capitalist now). because people are greedy and want something for their work. If i do something i want some form of payment to better my life and my families.
 
TheBrutalTruth

TheBrutalTruth

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Jointsmith said:
I want elliminate the Job Role 'Politician' all together.... I agree completely with what you have said, which is why I think we should decentralize control of EVERYONE away from any sort of 'Government' completely.

The only things that should 'Govern' our society, are the Basic Human Rights that EVERYONE should be entitled to (not EVERYONE currently receives these)

By making us all politicians (or none of us).... because when everyone has the power.... no one does.

The system I am proposing is not a means of 'control of the people'.... only a means of making sure everyone has access to the necessities for life. (anything else is induvidual choice)

The only reason I have even suggested this is as a means of REMOVING POWER from ANYONE wanting to interfere with MY (or anyone elses) LIFE, or rights.

I don't think ANY government ANYWHERE should be allow to dictate what I can or cannot do, unless it encroaches on the rights of others.... yet every government does this.

I don't want a one world Government, in fact I don't want a Government at all (a government is a selected group of people chosen to make our laws and decide the actions of the country) I don't think ANYONE should be selected for this....because we should ALL have an EQUAL input.....

This isn't COMMUNISM or CAPITALISM or SOCIALISM or FASCISM.... these are ALL only means of social control, society DOESN'T NEED to be CONTROLLED....

However we DO need the basic resources needed for life.....

I want to find a better way of making sure everybody feels fulfilled in society.

If you think this idea is shit then fair enough, please make another suggestion.... because we can ALL see the MASSIVE PROBLEMS with our current system.... yet nobody is making any suggestions of how we can improve it.
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Actually the hall mark of true Laisse Faire Capitalism is an astounding lack of control.

People are free to do what they want, and to follow their best interests.

At the same time, they need to be sure that they are not treading on other people's rights, because under a true Laisse Faire Capitalist System it is likely that there would be no courts where justice relies upon getting 12 people to agree that a crime was or was not committed. No, in a true Laisse Faire system it is likely a posse or lynch mob would be formed to grab the perpertrator and introduce them to high branches, ropes and short drops accompanied by sudden stops.

Your problem is that you are confusing Capitalism with a mixed fascist economy that favors screwing over the rest of the country for the sake of the politicially connected.

The only thing worse than Fascism is Socialism where the State Controls everything.

That, and I'm not interested in being told that I have to share even more. The rest of the world is perfectly capable of building exactly what the developed world has.

Of course, it is likely that they will never be able to accomplish these goals if the United States continues to prop up dictators that receive billions from the UN to pay their military to ensure that they remain in power.

The only thing the kind of intervention that the United States embarks upon when it gives billions to other governments (and businesses) is stagnation, stratification and an amazing lack of real progress.

Like the "War on Drugs", the "War on Poverty" is a complete and total joke. Despite Trillions spent on both wars there has yet to be a solid exit plan.

When are we going to stop wasting trillions on the wars that we are losing, The War on Drugs and the War on Poverty?
 
Drgreenz

Drgreenz

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TheBrutalTruth said:
Actually the hall mark of true Laisse Faire Capitalism is an astounding lack of control.

People are free to do what they want, and to follow their best interests.

At the same time, they need to be sure that they are not treading on other people's rights, because under a true Laisse Faire Capitalist System it is likely that there would be no courts where justice relies upon getting 12 people to agree that a crime was or was not committed. No, in a true Laisse Faire system it is likely a posse or lynch mob would be formed to grab the perpertrator and introduce them to high branches, ropes and short drops accompanied by sudden stops.

Your problem is that you are confusing Capitalism with a mixed fascist economy that favors screwing over the rest of the country for the sake of the politicially connected.

The only thing worse than Fascism is Socialism where the State Controls everything.

That, and I'm not interested in being told that I have to share even more. The rest of the world is perfectly capable of building exactly what the developed world has.

Of course, it is likely that they will never be able to accomplish these goals if the United States continues to prop up dictators that receive billions from the UN to pay their military to ensure that they remain in power.

The only thing the kind of intervention that the United States embarks upon when it gives billions to other governments (and businesses) is stagnation, stratification and an amazing lack of real progress.

Like the "War on Drugs", the "War on Poverty" is a complete and total joke. Despite Trillions spent on both wars there has yet to be a solid exit plan.

When are we going to stop wasting trillions on the wars that we are losing, The War on Drugs and the War on Poverty?
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war on poverty??? Cmon we are just trying to spread the wealth.... lolololol:clap:
 
Jointsmith

Jointsmith

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misshestermoffitt said:
For starters we'll have to uproot the existing government and that's not going to be an easy task.
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They won't take it lying down... that's for sure.

They have been pushing the FALLACY that MONEY is POWER for over a century.... and people now believe it... it's not true though.

KNOWLEDGE is the real POWER.....

My Current Aims are to increase Knowledge, to anyone who will listen, of how fractional reserve banking works, and how it keeps populations Enslaved by controlling our resources.

As more people gain this knowledge, more people are looking for another way.
 
TheBrutalTruth

TheBrutalTruth

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Jointsmith said:
They won't take it lying down... that's for sure.

They have been pushing the FALLACY that MONEY is POWER for over a century.... and people now believe it... it's not true though.

KNOWLEDGE is the real POWER.....

My Current Aims are to increase Knowledge, to anyone who will listen, of how fractional reserve banking works, and how it keeps populations Enslaved by controlling our resources.

As more people gain this knowledge, more people are looking for another way.
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Money is Power, in that you can use Money to supply your needs, which means with enough you don't have to worry about your needs, which means you're free to pursue knowledge.

Now, of course the actual Money = Power is really Money = Time = Knowledge = Power, so it's a very round about way of actually expressing what Money does.

Besides, if you're aim is to teach people how the fraudulent dishonest fractional reserve banking system works shouldn't you be talking about that instead of talking about a Minarchist or Anarchist Society?
 
Drgreenz

Drgreenz

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True in theory anarchism is the ideal form of government, everyone is truely free to do their own thing. But in reality it will never work.
 
Drgreenz

Drgreenz

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I dont know maybe the small fact that people might want power? or the money to make their lives better? or the fact that as i said earlier, any and all governments that have had a communistic style of economy have failed miserably because people are greedy? (I stick my gun in your face and take what i want but hey i am just doin my own thing...)
 
Jointsmith

Jointsmith

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TheBrutalTruth said:
Actually the hall mark of true Laisse Faire Capitalism is an astounding lack of control.

People are free to do what they want, and to follow their best interests.

At the same time, they need to be sure that they are not treading on other people's rights, because under a true Laisse Faire Capitalist System it is likely that there would be no courts where justice relies upon getting 12 people to agree that a crime was or was not committed. No, in a true Laisse Faire system it is likely a posse or lynch mob would be formed to grab the perpertrator and introduce them to high branches, ropes and short drops accompanied by sudden stops.

Your problem is that you are confusing Capitalism with a mixed fascist economy that favors screwing over the rest of the country for the sake of the politicially connected.

The only thing worse than Fascism is Socialism where the State Controls everything.

That, and I'm not interested in being told that I have to share even more. The rest of the world is perfectly capable of building exactly what the developed world has.

Of course, it is likely that they will never be able to accomplish these goals if the United States continues to prop up dictators that receive billions from the UN to pay their military to ensure that they remain in power.

The only thing the kind of intervention that the United States embarks upon when it gives billions to other governments (and businesses) is stagnation, stratification and an amazing lack of real progress.

Like the "War on Drugs", the "War on Poverty" is a complete and total joke. Despite Trillions spent on both wars there has yet to be a solid exit plan.

When are we going to stop wasting trillions on the wars that we are losing, The War on Drugs and the War on Poverty?
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The trouble with labels like Capitalism and Socialism is that as you point out, neither is Lasse Faire, and both inevitable descend into facsism, due to the fact that the only people overseeing the people in power are people with an equally large stake in staying in power.

This is why I really believe in this system, it would leave people free to share OR hoard what they possess, as they see fit.

I know you say you don't want to share, but if you were made aware that your neighbour, or a friend, was REALLY in need of something, I think you'd at least consider it (that is, if you saw it as a reasonable request)

I only want to create network through which everyone would be at least MADE AWARE of those in need around them. Whether you share or not is really on your own conscience.

I for one would make it public knowledge what I was willing to share (my skills, interests, opinions, materials/things I have a surplus of, etc)... do any of you think you'd do the same?
 
Jointsmith

Jointsmith

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Drgreenz said:
True in theory anarchism is the ideal form of government, everyone is truely free to do their own thing. But in reality it will never work.
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I totally agree with the first statement but disagree that it will never work.

The mass communication of the internet has given us a chance to make it work.
 
Jointsmith

Jointsmith

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TheBrutalTruth said:
Money is Power, in that you can use Money to supply your needs, which means with enough you don't have to worry about your needs, which means you're free to pursue knowledge.

Now, of course the actual Money = Power is really Money = Time = Knowledge = Power, so it's a very round about way of actually expressing what Money does.

Besides, if you're aim is to teach people how the fraudulent dishonest fractional reserve banking system works shouldn't you be talking about that instead of talking about a Minarchist or Anarchist Society?
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I'm sorry Brutal but you're wrong, if you have KNOWLEDGE, you can live without MONEY.

I for one am now starting to Grow my own food, and I grow my own weed and Mushrooms.... in fact I can't think of a single thing I NEED to live that I can't make or get myself.... using the power of my mind.... without ANY paper whatsoever (even peices with the queens face on)
 
Jointsmith

Jointsmith

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Drgreenz said:
I dont know maybe the small fact that people might want power? or the money to make their lives better? or the fact that as i said earlier, any and all governments that have had a communistic style of economy have failed miserably because people are greedy? (I stick my gun in your face and take what i want but hey i am just doin my own thing...)
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When you talk about 'power', do you mean the 'power to FORCE (i.e. not request or persuade or negotiate) other people do what YOU WANT'?

Because that makes you as bad as ANY GOVERNMENT imho.

You only need MONEY to make your life better because we're ENSLAVED to this shitty system.

In a 'perfect' system it would be your INTELLEGENCE and your HARD WORK and your positive affect on OTHER PEOPLES LIVES that improve your life..... but that isn't how it works at the moment.

I know those things CAN bring you MONEY with which to improve your life, but that isn't a general rule, not in society today at least.
 
misshestermoffitt

misshestermoffitt

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but you're still going to need money. Even if you have property fully paid off, in most states they ream you yearly for property tax.

You can have all the knowledge that you want, but without money you'll just become another number in the tax sale ledger.



Jointsmith said:
I'm sorry Brutal but you're wrong, if you have KNOWLEDGE, you can live without MONEY.

I for one am now starting to Grow my own food, and I grow my own weed and Mushrooms.... in fact I can't think of a single thing I NEED to live that I can't make or get myself.... using the power of my mind.... without ANY paper whatsoever (even peices with the queens face on)
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Jointsmith

Jointsmith

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misshestermoffitt said:
but you're still going to need money. Even if you have property fully paid off, in most states they ream you yearly for property tax.

You can have all the knowledge that you want, but without money you'll just become another number in the tax sale ledger.
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Exactly!!! and thats not right!

THAT is why we need this system to change.
 
misshestermoffitt

misshestermoffitt

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We need to take the politicians out of it and let people vote on issues. Do we really need all those suits making up our minds for us? I think they're doing a piss poor job anyway.

The checks and balances system was a cool thought, but it really wasn't designed to keep up with this level of corruption.
 
TheBrutalTruth

TheBrutalTruth

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misshestermoffitt said:
We need to take the politicians out of it and let people vote on issues. Do we really need all those suits making up our minds for us? I think they're doing a piss poor job anyway.

The checks and balances system was a cool thought, but it really wasn't designed to keep up with this level of corruption.
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I'm not interesting in other people trying to dictate to me. Any proposal that leads to more people having power is something that I will oppose.

I have yet to hear Jointsmith come up with any limits on the power of this system of government. If it is not strictly limited in the kinds of laws, and regulations that it can pass then it has the potential to become even more tyrannical than any government on the planet.

Imagine having to surrender 75% of your paycheck if you live in the US to be given away to SE Asia and Africa. No thanks.

Personally, I don't like the Global Aspect of this. If it was just inside one nation, or inside one state/province and kept at that level then that'd be fine. But it is totally irrational to allow some one further than ... I'd say 50 miles away to have any say in how you live your life.
 
TheBrutalTruth

TheBrutalTruth

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Jointsmith said:
I'm sorry Brutal but you're wrong, if you have KNOWLEDGE, you can live without MONEY.

I for one am now starting to Grow my own food, and I grow my own weed and Mushrooms.... in fact I can't think of a single thing I NEED to live that I can't make or get myself.... using the power of my mind.... without ANY paper whatsoever (even peices with the queens face on)
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So far the only thing I have seen about knowledge is that it makes it easier to get money.

And with Property Taxes, and needs that can not necessarily be met by just owning a farm, it is likely that even the most knowledgeable person would still need money.

I'm sorry, but I'm not content to live my life like a medieval peasant or the Amish.
 
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