The Great Reset

CatHedral

CatHedral

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hanimmal said:
Lol, yeah that kind of stuff.


I look at it more as 'if only we would let the people lead who are the best ones in those communities and not just the loudest/tallest/shittiest'.

Yeah I really do appreciate that Musk is using his money on scientists figuring out how to move us beyond the bottom of this ocean of nitrogen that we currently are held to.


Am I complaining? If so I apologize.
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I'm complaining about him complaining that I'm complaining. ;)

The problem with the first sentence imo is that we have one-third of the adults in this country who would spike that gun out of ideology, selfishness, spite, or the really awful composite of the three that is needed toswallow the MAGA delusion. This is beyond the reach of leadership unless the state turns authoritarian, I am afraid.

I am very gratefulthat That Man was so bad at it that his commemoration of the Reichstog fire didn't quite come off. To many beautiful peace-loving tourists I guess.
 
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schuylaar

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CatHedral said:
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This comes from a published worst-case scenario for a supereruption. The ash depths are bad in a circle containing Boise and Rapid City, but beyond that it is broom and rainstorm kind of stuff. I believe this wouldn't be a civilization ender. We might have two-plus years of cold and dark in the Northern hemisphere, but the Southern will be an effective reservoir of food and civilization. So long as the new world order doesn't speak Afrikaans.

A more credible global threat would be an asteroid in the Dinosaur Killer class, 10 km. 100 trillion tons TNT equivalnt. ( less than a million Mt from a Yosemite event, even a big one.) That would badly damage all of Earth's habitable surface and lead to decades of it being unlivable. Especially bad if it's a deep-ocean strike on the equator. Otherwise the unstruck hemisphere has a day or two to scramble for shelter.

Now (drains beer) let's imagine a Dinosaur Killer bullseyeing Yosemite. Even the big supereruptions only emit a fraction of the actual contained magma. A strike would vaporize the entire reservoir, turning the hot rock into a fineaerosol much more efficiently than an unassisted supereruption. Mother of nuclear winters and acid snow.



Sadly this sentiment lies atthe core of all utopian thought. "If only we would play team as a community" seems a universal condition. But we are not yet in an end game like Norse Greenland (bad luck with climate) or Easter Island) poor resource management).



Technically a bigger ball exploding into metal (type II supernova).

I think our future is off-planet. That's why idont like Tesla but am watching Spacex and cheering. Once we have a space presence, we are much more survivable as a technical civilization.
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luckily, we get to know these things in advance and nothing is due well beyond our lifetimes.
 
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schuylaar

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CatHedral said:
I'm complaining about him complaining that I'm complaining. ;)

The problem with the first sentence imo is that we have one-third of the adults in this country who would spike that gun out of ideology, selfishness, spite, or the really awful composite of the three that is needed toswallow the MAGA delusion. This is beyond the reach of leadership unless the state turns authoritarian, I am afraid.

I am very gratefulthat That Man was so bad at it that his commemoration of the Reichstog fire didn't quite come off. To many beautiful peace-loving tourists I guess.
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'they were hugging and kissing'
 
hanimmal

hanimmal

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CatHedral said:
I'm complaining about him complaining that I'm complaining. ;)

The problem with the first sentence imo is that we have one-third of the adults in this country who would spike that gun out of ideology, selfishness, spite, or the really awful composite of the three that is needed toswallow the MAGA delusion. This is beyond the reach of leadership unless the state turns authoritarian, I am afraid.

I am very gratefulthat That Man was so bad at it that his commemoration of the Reichstog fire didn't quite come off. To many beautiful peace-loving tourists I guess.
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Luckily America is not just our government.

And kids are not their parents. It might take a few generations, but we will get through this and be a better nation for it.

Unless the Koch bros have dicks for kids too I guess.

Yeesh.
 
CatHedral

CatHedral

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hanimmal said:
Luckily America is not just our government.

And kids are not their parents. It might take a few generations, but we will get through this and be a better nation for it.

Unless the Koch bros have dicks for kids too I guess.

Yeesh.
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The several generations idea failed bigly in terms of race and sex equality in this supposedly pluralistic society.

Since Im old, I do not share your sunny outlook. Basic human nature is selfish andtribal, see racism. All my life I was promised flying cars and a vaccine for tooth decay and fusion power too cheap to meter. When we have those, I might reassess.

"dicks for kids" sounds soooo wrong.
 
hanimmal

hanimmal

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CatHedral said:
The several generations idea failed bigly in terms of race and sex equality in this supposedly pluralistic society.

Since Im old, I do not share your sunny outlook. Basic human nature is selfish andtribal, see racism. All my life I was promised flying cars and a vaccine for tooth decay and fusion power too cheap to meter. When we have those, I might reassess.

"dicks for kids" sounds soooo wrong.
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We (40's+) didn't grow up with computers in our hands at all times. They don't have time for bullshit like we all do, and all of their dirty laundry is going to be known, so getting people who are 'clean' in office is going to be much easier than it is today.

We are still currently in the finding all the blackface and date rapists phase of our choosing of elected officials.

I want the norm to be that we all elect that kid who I knew that stuck their nose to the grindstone and worked hard all throughout school that was a surprise to see at a high school party that they left early because of reasons I never learned.
 
CatHedral

CatHedral

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hanimmal said:
We (40's+) didn't grow up with computers in our hands at all times. They don't have time for bullshit like we all do, and all of their dirty laundry is going to be known, so getting people who are 'clean' in office is going to be much easier than it is today.

We are still currently in the finding all the blackface and date rapists phase of our choosing of elected officials.

I want the norm to be that we all elect that kid who I knew that stuck their nose to the grindstone and worked hard all throughout school that was a surprise to see at a high school party that they left early because of reasons I never learned.
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That kid istoo smart to run for office. In our system the thing that matters is not ability but ambition.
I have no solution for that basic problem.
 
hanimmal

hanimmal

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CatHedral said:
That kid istoo smart to run for office. In our system the thing that matters is not ability but ambition.
I have no solution for that basic problem.
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Id argue that the Democrats are achieving that by simply letting 100% of the population run for the seats and not just sticking to about 30% of the population for everything.

Im ok with ambition if it is paired with competence and the ability to be honest. aka Mayor Pete, congressperson Spamberger/Porter/Slotkin/etc. The Democratic party has delivered some stellar people recently. Hopefully the Republicans will step up and shake off the trolls that they are currently running.
 
CatHedral

CatHedral

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hanimmal said:
Id argue that the Democrats are achieving that by simply letting 100% of the population run for the seats and not just sticking to about 30% of the population for everything.

Im ok with ambition if it is paired with competence and the ability to be honest. aka Mayor Pete, congressperson Spamberger/Porter/Slotkin/etc. The Democratic party has delivered some stellar people recently. Hopefully the Republicans will step up and shake off the trolls that they are currently running.
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I was not exact. What I see is naked ambition and not he kind tempered by ethics. Some of the loose canon on the red side of the aisle (and that blue dog Manchin) jump to mind.
 
hanimmal

hanimmal

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CatHedral said:
I was not exact. What I see is naked ambition and not he kind tempered by ethics. Some of the loose canon on the red side of the aisle (and that blue dog Manchin) jump to mind.
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Yeah but they are still Americans and not insurrectionists. Maybe they do represent the same people that the Repubclians do, but that is fine, the Democrats need to (and should be able to now that everything is finally coming to light and they are getting towards the end of dealing with the dumpster fire that the prior Republican POTUS dropped on them once again) win big and really get America set up for success.

During this time, the Republicans figure out how to not just legislate for the Wealthy Melanin-lite Heterosexual Male Only agenda while placating racists and evangelicals enough to maintain state level power and enough power in DC to stop any legislation when they don't have power. Once they start figuring out how to function in the real world and not just con people with hate radio/Fox/propagnada spam online/epoch times cult papers/etc, we can hopefully get our nation operating at as close to 100% as possible.

I was pretty floored with the representatives information, that really we could have thousands of house members, and if we included DC/Puerto Rico/etc as states it would also be more opportunities for people to do the work that their communities need them to do to thrive.
 
CatHedral

CatHedral

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hanimmal said:
Yeah but they are still Americans and not insurrectionists. Maybe they do represent the same people that the Repubclians do, but that is fine, the Democrats need to (and should be able to now that everything is finally coming to light and they are getting towards the end of dealing with the dumpster fire that the prior Republican POTUS dropped on them once again) win big and really get America set up for success.

During this time, the Republicans figure out how to not just legislate for the Wealthy Melanin-lite Heterosexual Male Only agenda while placating racists and evangelicals enough to maintain state level power and enough power in DC to stop any legislation when they don't have power. Once they start figuring out how to function in the real world and not just con people with hate radio/Fox/propagnada spam online/epoch times cult papers/etc, we can hopefully get our nation operating at as close to 100% as possible.

I was pretty floored with the representatives information, that really we could have thousands of house members, and if we included DC/Puerto Rico/etc as states it would also be more opportunities for people to do the work that their communities need them to do to thrive.
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They might not be insurrectionists but they tend to be kleptocrats.

Regarding the second paragraph, I have watched the party abandon your good ideas in the course of 45 years. While I don't hold any hope that it will happen "from your keyboard to God's buffer"
 
hanimmal

hanimmal

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CatHedral said:
They might not be insurrectionists but they tend to be kleptocrats.
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I think 'the coverup is worse than the crime' will apply to a lot of them at the end of the day.

CatHedral said:
I have watched the party abandon your good ideas in the course of 45 years.
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During that period of time each Democratic president only had the ability to legislate for their first 2 years, and in each case they were dealing with the effects of a major economic meltdown that took up much of their ability to legislate off the table. Let's see what happens if the Democrats can maintain power for a few elections straight in DC and then I will say they abandoned things or not.

CatHedral said:
While I don't hold any hope that it will happen "from your keyboard to God's buffer"
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lol too true.
 
CatHedral

CatHedral

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hanimmal said:
I think 'the coverup is worse than the crime' will apply to a lot of them at the end of the day.


During that period of time each Democratic president only had the ability to legislate for their first 2 years, and in each case they were dealing with the effects of a major economic meltdown that took up much of their ability to legislate off the table. Let's see what happens if the Democrats can maintain power for a few elections straight in DC and then I will say they abandoned things or not.


lol too true.
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Just to be clear, I meant the Republicans abandoning stuff. The Democrats had their own issues, but currently they seem much more interested in serving all Americans than the GOP.

Even if the Republicans appear to rehabilitate, I cant shake the vision of a kid hanging from his angry mother by the ear snarling 'ImSORREEE!" I don't trust them until they turn in solid results. On stuff they hate like mitigating climate change.
 
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