Cranker's Guide to using Pre-nuted Soil and not failing

cary schellie

cary schellie

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man u got me thinking cranker. I started using m.g. organic becauses happy frog was getting to expensive. I just looked at the bag and it says feeds up to 2 months. Then I looked and it said .10% Nitrogen. I thought or organic means organic. Wouldnt it be the cheapest just buy a few bails of peat moss and add perlite, that would be a super cheap medium with no crap added. Basically all that potting soils is just peat moss anyways
 
cranker

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cary schellie said:
man u got me thinking cranker. I started using m.g. organic becauses happy frog was getting to expensive. I just looked at the bag and it says feeds up to 2 months. Then I looked and it said .10% Nitrogen. I thought or organic means organic. Wouldnt it be the cheapest just buy a few bails of peat moss and add perlite, that would be a super cheap medium with no crap added. Basically all that potting soils is just peat moss anyways
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Peat moss, vermiculite, and perlite is a good no nute soil mix. I personally use MG moisture control mixed with perlite, it's heavy N so I don't bother feeding it til flowering then I can just pop bud blood and then possibly 1 more feeding of bloom buster which is 15 30 15, and they seem to do great. 90% of the problems I have are from stupid shit like the plant getting too heavy and falling over and busting up my ghetto cfl system that I'm running right now lol. If you know what the NPK is in your pre-nuted soil, and it's balanced, the only time you ever have to feed it is if it's showing signs of def.'s.

But yeah, peat moss, vermiculite and perlite is what you wanna go with for a plain mix.
 
cranker

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cary schellie said:
man u got me thinking cranker. I started using m.g. organic becauses happy frog was getting to expensive. I just looked at the bag and it says feeds up to 2 months. Then I looked and it said .10% Nitrogen. I thought or organic means organic. Wouldnt it be the cheapest just buy a few bails of peat moss and add perlite, that would be a super cheap medium with no crap added. Basically all that potting soils is just peat moss anyways
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The regular stuff is like 21 7 11 so it's good for keeping N levels up the whole time, and it feeds 6 months
 
VX420

VX420

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I use and have used MG for 30 years to germ and to veg. For flower I mix my own that has about 30% MG in it. MG is not the demon people think it is and will not burn your plants, but you have to understand that it has nutz in it that you are adding nutz to it. The only question I have every had ( I should just call them tomorrow) is when the bag says FOR EXAMPLE 10-10-10 time released, its that the Total that will be release over time, or is that each time it is release. Also is their anything in MG to stabilize it so it’s always 10-10-10. I do not know. I did find out, when I bought some perlight that was made by MG, its has Nutz in it and did not say so on the bag, it was labeled in the ingredients. Something to watch for. But again there is nothing wrong with MG, if you know how to grow plants and know why you are doing what you are doing. I personally think most of the expensive nutz and “Organic soils” are a scam, but I don’t use Premium Gas either.
 
cranker

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VX420 said:
I use and have used MG for 30 years to germ and to veg. For flower I mix my own that has about 30% MG in it. MG is not the demon people think it is and will not burn your plants, but you have to understand that it has nutz in it that you are adding nutz to it. The only question I have every had ( I should just call them tomorrow) is when the bag says FOR EXAMPLE 10-10-10 time released, its that the Total that will be release over time, or is that each time it is release. Also is their anything in MG to stabilize it so it’s always 10-10-10. I do not know. I did find out, when I bought some perlight that was made by MG, its has Nutz in it and did not say so on the bag, it was labeled in the ingredients. Something to watch for. But again there is nothing wrong with MG, if you know how to grow plants and know why you are doing what you are doing. I personally think most of the expensive nutz and “Organic soils” are a scam, but I don’t use Premium Gas either.
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Yeah the MG perlite says on the front something about including miracle gro on the label. I assume the time release is constant, but it's definately more a veg thing. 21-7-14. It's very low on the P scale, probably because it's made for houseplants. That's one of the reasons people are misguided about miracle gro and say it hurts your yields. If you don't throw some P at it, yeah of course it does. Thanks for taking the time to post :)
 
tristynhawk

tristynhawk

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I have used Mg alot and for some reason have never had a plant get burnt. I put seedlings straight into it and haven't ever lost a plant to being burnt. Granted i don't feed them anything for awhile until i feel they need it. And usually when i do i feed full strength, i'm not saying do this i'm just saying this is what i have always done even before i found this site and seen all the recommendations for using 1/4 strength Mg. Maybe i just been lucky. I grow in the bush and have been known to carry in a whole bags of mg soil and grow in nothing but mg.
 
tristynhawk

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munch box said:
I recently placed a order for just a handful of seeds and on checkout the total was 60$ after shipping and non stealth delivery, but when I looked online at my bank transaction, Attitude seedbank had taken out almost 10$ more than the agreed ammount. Thats not including the seperate currency fee my bank charged on the side . 1.50$ My reciept says 42 euros, and when I do the currency conversion online, it only comes out to 60$, not $69. Do I have that correct? Has anybody had this problem with Attitude overcharging credit cards before?​
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how does this fit in with pre-nuted soil
 
cranker

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munch box said:
I recently placed a order for just a handful of seeds and on checkout the total was 60$ after shipping and non stealth delivery, but when I looked online at my bank transaction, Attitude seedbank had taken out almost 10$ more than the agreed ammount. Thats not including the seperate currency fee my bank charged on the side . 1.50$ My reciept says 42 euros, and when I do the currency conversion online, it only comes out to 60$, not $69. Do I have that correct? Has anybody had this problem with Attitude overcharging credit cards before?​
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No, I have not.

tristynhawk said:
how does this fit in with pre-nuted soil
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It doesn't but the great Cranker is willing to answer all questions :dunce:
 
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newatit2010

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Hey cranker I just moved my plant into a 5gal pot and my ph is like 7. How can I get it down? Thanks

Sorry mostly used MG and a little mositure control MG
 
cranker

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munch box said:
I recently placed a order for just a handful of seeds and on checkout the total was 60$ after shipping and non stealth delivery, but when I looked online at my bank transaction, Attitude seedbank had taken out almost 10$ more than the agreed ammount. Thats not including the seperate currency fee my bank charged on the side . 1.50$ My reciept says 42 euros, and when I do the currency conversion online, it only comes out to 60$, not $69. Do I have that correct? Has anybody had this problem with Attitude overcharging credit cards before?​
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tristynhawk said:
I have used Mg alot and for some reason have never had a plant get burnt. I put seedlings straight into it and haven't ever lost a plant to being burnt. Granted i don't feed them anything for awhile until i feel they need it. And usually when i do i feed full strength, i'm not saying do this i'm just saying this is what i have always done even before i found this site and seen all the recommendations for using 1/4 strength Mg. Maybe i just been lucky. I grow in the bush and have been known to carry in a whole bags of mg soil and grow in nothing but mg.
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I think the majority of the issues with MG, as well as with any other soil be it FFOF or Generic nuted potting soil, is that people don't understand HOW to use it correctly. Plus the Organic MG doesn't feed for that long so I kinda skipped that one in the thing. Most of the people who complain about salts are using MG soil and Hydro nutes, which would cause a salt build up. I just see a lot of threads where it goes: Newbie: blah blah MG soil blah blah then Random RIU person: OMFGWTF no wonder MG kills all living things. If you're growing outside, I know the outdoor stuff I've never had a seedling burn off of, I think it's made with different components like composted dung that you wouldn't want indoors.
 
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Rj41

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Been using MG products for many years with great results. You simply have to use common sense and use them lightly at first until you find out how far you can push the particular strain you're growing.
 
cranker

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newatit2010 said:
Hey cranker I just moved my plant into a 5gal pot and my ph is like 7. How can I get it down? Thanks

Sorry mostly used MG and a little mositure control MG
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Sorry I missed your post in there somewhere. Mix in a tablespoon of white vinegar per gallon of water and flush it, that should get it down there, unless there's a hydro store in your area then you can get ph down solution that will let you check your water easier.

Keep me updated.
 
cranker

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depends on the water I think. If the water is r/o'd or distilled, should be fine, but if alkaline 7 makes it really easy to turn bad. I guess the best solution would be to add some dolomite lime, that way you can just slowly lower it or keep it at that level. What ph is the water you use?
 
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