Would this country(USA) be better off as two?

PNWsasquatch

PNWsasquatch

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It would never happen I know, but everday I sit and watch the news and read the blogs and feel such a seperation in the people. I myself am Liberal and do not agree with the Right wing what so ever. I could sit there and debate right wingers all day but in the end it doesnt make a difference. I myself view the right wing as very selfish,greedy,racist,hateful people, and though many argue till they are blue in the face that they are not any of those, but in the end of the day thier actions and words prove my point. My whole family was Republican, because we were religous people, and we thought if you were Christian than you must be Republican. Lies, Lies, Lies.... If Jesus were alive he would not be marching lock step with the Republican party. (Need to stay away from that subject not trying to type up pages here) Anyways... I don't see a seperation in church in state and that is wrong. The only people in my family who are still right wingers are my cousins from way out in the country. They think if you aint right than your wrong, and if you aint white you aint right. They LOOOOOVE G.W and the Republican party and have said that they would not shed a tear putting up arms against liberals....That is wrong, but there are som many people who feel that way now. Alot of times when I get angry myself I feel that sometimes maybe that is the only answer, but that is no good. However when one sits back and looks at it would having two Americas be that bad? (Right America, they get Texas and the South, and Left America get everything else?) Crazy Talk?!

What do you think?

P.S.
This is a what if situation I am not trying to suggest a break in this country, nor am I trying to be ignorant and say that I am right and you are wrong.
Lets all just toke up and enjoy life! :bigjoint:
 
PNWsasquatch

PNWsasquatch

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Don't be a dick.... It is a question do I really need a response like this?! Why do you even respond, couldnt you have just read on and said nothing, or at least give more of though into your statement. Why am I stupid? (No not trying to get you to come up with some clever joke that you think is a gut buster, but rather why you think such an idea is ludicrous?) Choke on a toke.....
 
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Lord Bluntmasta

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the liberal country should get New England and most of the midwest, as well as the west coast. The other side can have all the boring states :blsmoke:
 
Kant

Kant

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PNWsasquatch said:
It would never happen I know, but everday I sit and watch the news and read the blogs and feel such a seperation in the people. I myself am Liberal and do not agree with the Right wing what so ever. I could sit there and debate right wingers all day but in the end it doesnt make a difference. I myself view the right wing as very selfish,greedy,racist,hateful people, and though many argue till they are blue in the face that they are not any of those, but in the end of the day thier actions and words prove my point. My whole family was Republican, because we were religous people, and we thought if you were Christian than you must be Republican. Lies, Lies, Lies.... If Jesus were alive he would not be marching lock step with the Republican party. (Need to stay away from that subject not trying to type up pages here) Anyways... I don't see a seperation in church in state and that is wrong. The only people in my family who are still right wingers are my cousins from way out in the country. They think if you aint right than your wrong, and if you aint white you aint right. They LOOOOOVE G.W and the Republican party and have said that they would not shed a tear putting up arms against liberals....That is wrong, but there are som many people who feel that way now. Alot of times when I get angry myself I feel that sometimes maybe that is the only answer, but that is no good. However when one sits back and looks at it would having two Americas be that bad? (Right America, they get Texas and the South, and Left America get everything else?) Crazy Talk?!

What do you think?

P.S.
This is a what if situation I am not trying to suggest a break in this country, nor am I trying to be ignorant and say that I am right and you are wrong.
Lets all just toke up and enjoy life! :bigjoint:
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while i understand your reasoning. it wouldn't really be possible or in either of our best interests. The red states and the blue states are far too dependent on each other to survive independently. Moreover as much as i disagree with a lot of republicans a country run solely by either party would be a disaster. To be frank we need each other to balance things out.
 
FootballFirst

FootballFirst

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look, if you split the country between republican and democrat, it would not last 100 years. The republicans, being more militaristic and cruel would eventually attempt a hostile invasion of the democrats country for whatever reason. Maybe oil! lol. Anyway, the democrats, being more liberally minded and tolerant, would not be able to raise an army that is strong and disciplined that could withstand the attack by the neighboring republicans. Then all that stands in the way of republican military rule over the western hemisphere would be Mexico. It may lead to another military republic bigger than the scale of ancient Rome.

Look at the civil war. The south, which were then the liberals,(liberals 4 slavery? odd) didn't really fight the split seriously. Had they not had Robert E. Lee's genius, they would have been wiped out immediately.

"A nation divided against itself cannot stand"

Why would you want a country without checks and balances where everyone agrees on most everything. It is easier to veer off course that way.

And for God's sake, look at religion. At first there was only one type of christianity, then they found such small differences between themselves that they kept dividing and dividing and dividing. There have to be 700 different sects of christianity and all they do is fight with themselves about semantics. Who the hell wants that?
 
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ilkhan

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New Hampshire is talking nullification of the Constitution. Oklahoma my ancestral homeland (sorta) is makin' noises so is Montana Georgia and several more are expecting to put in 10th amendment resolutions this year. That is change I can believe in. Feb 18th Add Texas to the list.
 
TheBrutalTruth

TheBrutalTruth

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PNWsasquatch said:
It would never happen I know, but everday I sit and watch the news and read the blogs and feel such a seperation in the people. I myself am Liberal and do not agree with the Right wing what so ever. I could sit there and debate right wingers all day but in the end it doesnt make a difference. I myself view the right wing as very selfish,greedy,racist,hateful people, and though many argue till they are blue in the face that they are not any of those, but in the end of the day thier actions and words prove my point. My whole family was Republican, because we were religous people, and we thought if you were Christian than you must be Republican. Lies, Lies, Lies.... If Jesus were alive he would not be marching lock step with the Republican party. (Need to stay away from that subject not trying to type up pages here) Anyways... I don't see a seperation in church in state and that is wrong. The only people in my family who are still right wingers are my cousins from way out in the country. They think if you aint right than your wrong, and if you aint white you aint right. They LOOOOOVE G.W and the Republican party and have said that they would not shed a tear putting up arms against liberals....That is wrong, but there are som many people who feel that way now. Alot of times when I get angry myself I feel that sometimes maybe that is the only answer, but that is no good. However when one sits back and looks at it would having two Americas be that bad? (Right America, they get Texas and the South, and Left America get everything else?) Crazy Talk?!

What do you think?

P.S.
This is a what if situation I am not trying to suggest a break in this country, nor am I trying to be ignorant and say that I am right and you are wrong.
Lets all just toke up and enjoy life! :bigjoint:
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I got a better solution, all you batshiat crazy liberals can move to Canada or Europe, where there are a lot of people just like you.

As far as the secession thing. You have to remember that according to the far left, the left, the center, and the center-right secession is not allowed. So you're idea of secession (splitting the nation in two) would not be allowed.

Now, what I would like to see is it divided into 50 Administrative Segments, with complete autonomy with in their borders only surrendering control of foreign treaties and regulating commerce between them, foreign nations, and other entities.

Oh, wait, we did have a such a thing. And then the false hero, Lincoln, destroyed it. Yeah, some f* hero, he set the stage for bankers enslaving everyone, successfully lead to people thinking secession was evil, and implemented the first income tax.
 
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2headedchan

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yeah this guy who started this thread is one of those "fascist liberals" i served this country in both wars and burn all day infact have some real afgani seeds going right now yes go to coward canada u putz jo from philly
 
mindphuk

mindphuk

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PNWsasquatch said:
I myself view the right wing as very selfish,greedy,racist,hateful people, and though many argue till they are blue in the face that they are not any of those, but in the end of the day thier actions and words prove my point.
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The problem with these types of debates is that you are mischaracterizing most conservatives. In debate, it is always a good idea to know and understand the opposition's POV. In this situation, it doesn't appear you understand conservative principles and are using a lot of emotional words; a lot of platitudes and generalities to define your view (hateful, racist, greedy). Unless you can clearly define these terms your rantings mean nothing. What is greed? Is all greed bad? Is the desire to make money to life a good life and take good care of your family greedy? Is it hateful to spend 8 years of college while working multiple jobs, applying for grants and loans and then spend another 5-10 years and more $$$ to start a successful business in order to make a decent living only to have it taken away by the PTB to give to other people that have made poor choices in life?

Most people, whether conservative or liberal or libertarian, want a lot of the same things. It is only the path they decide is the proper way to get there that is the difference. Until you can understand the other side of the debate, all you have is ranting.
 
PNWsasquatch

PNWsasquatch

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TheBrutalTruth said:
I got a better solution, all you batshiat crazy liberals can move to Canada or Europe, where there are a lot of people just like you.




You are the type of people I cannot stand! I bet you would have been one of those early Americans who no matter what pldged thier life for the queen. I bet if you had lived in Germany from 1933 to 43 would march lock step with Hitler. You are a tool, and I take everything that you say as total rubbish!

2headedchan is a complete ass hole. I served in Iraq you piece of shit. So you were in both wars huh?! Eat shit man I spent 2 years over there, and for some right wing nut job to wave his service in peoples faces?! I didnt even mention my service to our country in this thread, and you think that for some reason your service meant more than mine?! :finger:
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TheBrutalTruth

TheBrutalTruth

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PNWsasquatch said:
TheBrutalTruth said:
I got a better solution, all you batshiat crazy liberals can move to Canada or Europe, where there are a lot of people just like you.




You are the type of people I cannot stand! I bet you would have been one of those early Americans who no matter what pldged thier life for the queen. I bet if you had lived in Germany from 1933 to 43 would march lock step with Hitler. You are a tool, and I take everything that you say as total rubbish!

2headedchan is a complete ass hole. I served in Iraq you piece of shit. So you were in both wars huh?! Eat shit man I spent 2 years over there, and for some right wing nut job to wave his service in peoples faces?! I didnt even mention my service to our country in this thread, and you think that for some reason your service meant more than mine?! :finger:
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Good for you, because guess what, your opinion doesn't matter.

It's also dead wrong.

Me, I probably would have been willing to be on the front lines in the Revolutionary War, because the only thing I hate more than officious know it all jack asses like you, are taxes.

Besides, I personally think some one should nuke Windsor already. I'm sick of hearing about the British Royalty in the news.

They are the ultimate societal parasite. They produce nothing, and yet soak up money from the tax payers. They don't even lead the military from the front any more. Which, outside of asskissing is how the nobility got to be nobility (being good fighters.)

Born noble, hmmph, stupidest concept ever created. It was the original attempt to boost self-esteem by feeding children bullshit.

I can just imagine all these ancestors of the modern liberals going, "It's okay that you scream like a bitch, you're special, because you were born into this family, and you're better than everyone else."

Crock of bullshit.

Which has nothing to do with this, except maybe to illustrate that I can actually tie the distant past with the idiotic liberal feel good ideas being pushed today.

What's that saying, only two kinds of people can afford the luxury of being liberals.

The very rich, who have so much money that they don't have to work for more, and thus don't care about income taxes.

And the very poor, who want everyone else's money.
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medicineman

medicineman

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The republicans, being more militaristic and cruel would eventually attempt a hostile invasion of the democrats country for whatever reason. Maybe oil! lol. Anyway, the democrats, being more liberally minded and tolerant, would not be able to raise an army that is strong and disciplined that could withstand the attack by the neighboring republicans.
I really think you "misunderestimate" the liberals. I for one (Being a Liberal) would find great sport in hunting down and whacking fascist repukes. Put a bounty on them I say. I'd say 500.00 a head for the ordinary ones, but for the big fish like Rush, Cheney, Bush, Rumsfeld, Levin, Etc., half a mil would make it interesting.
 
TheBrutalTruth

TheBrutalTruth

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medicineman said:
The republicans, being more militaristic and cruel would eventually attempt a hostile invasion of the democrats country for whatever reason. Maybe oil! lol. Anyway, the democrats, being more liberally minded and tolerant, would not be able to raise an army that is strong and disciplined that could withstand the attack by the neighboring republicans.
I really think you "misunderestimate" the liberals. I for one (Being a Liberal) would find great sport in hunting down and whacking fascist repukes. Put a bounty on them I say. I'd say 500.00 a head for the ordinary ones, but for the big fish like Rush, Cheney, Bush, Rumsfeld, Levin, Etc., half a mil would make it interesting.
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Nice to see that liberals can respond honestly to the propaganda their side pushes. Militaristic and Cruel... oh yeah, I was just one of those evil little kids that loved tearing the wings off of poor defenseless insects, and lopping the legs off of cute little bunny rabbits to watch them hop around in cute little bloody circles.

Give me a break, what a crock of horse shit.
 
FootballFirst

FootballFirst

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you are just one person medicine man. for every one of you in the dems/libs there are 3 repub/conservs. initially the dems may keep a decent army, but eventually would take their military funds and make them institutional funds.

This would be kind of like Athens and Sparta. The Athenians could bring culture while the Spartans brought protection. You can't have one without the other for long as both are needed for a successful nation and defense there of.

And we should also remember while we are at it, that those ethics that keep people civilized have no place in the theatre of war if one's goal is to win at all cost.

Civility and war represent the love and hate relationship respectively. This pair of polar opposites only reflects back to us the natural law in which we live. This natural law governs the universe. Yin and yang must exist together to create balance.

Our forefathers did well.
 
TheBrutalTruth

TheBrutalTruth

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FootballFirst said:
you are just one person medicine man. for every one of you in the dems/libs there are 3 repub/conservs. initially the dems may keep a decent army, but eventually would take their military funds and make them institutional funds.

This would be kind of like Athens and Sparta. The Athenians could bring culture while the Spartans brought protection. You can't have one without the other for long as both are needed for a successful nation and defense there of.

And we should also remember while we are at it, that those ethics that keep people civilized have no place in the theatre of war if one's goal is to win at all cost.

Civility and war represent the love and hate relationship respectively. This pair of polar opposites only reflects back to us the natural law in which we live. This natural law governs the universe. Yin and yang must exist together to create balance.
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Well that certainly explains the existence of those pansified conservatives in congress that don't have the balls to stand up to the democrats and either vote down their bills, and stop buying into this bipartisan BS, or to actually stop apologizing and trying to play nice.

It's also explains why there are bat shit crazy religious freaks in the conservatives just like there are bit shit crazy religious (environmentalists) freaks in the liberals.

And lets not forget that assholes in both parties that want to strip away more and more of everyone's freedoms. (Especially those crazy religious environmentalists)
 
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