woman given 20 years in prison for miscarriage
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i didn't mention that you can feel the baby at 16 weeks 'flutter' because of any anti-abortion stance..i mentioned it because there is no way, to not know, you are pregnant..it's pretty evident at that point..also, your abdomen is distended.
i'm pro-choice, up to 20. thereafter, if you haven't done something by then, then you deserve to keep the kid..it's your own fault.
UncleBuck
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who cares if you know you're pregnant?
you have until week 24 to abort the thing. she has a miscarriage and a stillbirth that week and was given 20 years for it.
Rob Roy
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How many with one hand?
i'm a women..i've been pregnant. i disagree. she did not have a miscarriage or stillbirth..the baby took one breath and that's how she was convicted. that's murder. there are a lot of sickos in this world..she threw that baby in the garbage..why not just bring to firestation?..everyone knows it's don't ask, don't tell.
she's where she belongs..a pig if you ask me.
UncleBuck
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do you know of a better place for a dead baby other than the garbage?
OddBall1st
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Holy shit Buck,....
UncleBuck
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you're right, i should have said stillborn fetus and/or medical waste.
OddBall1st
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That was waaaaaaaaaay out of your caricature.
Hazydat620
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If I was a defense lawyer I would probably argue the scenario of at home births? Would the punishment be the same if say a Amish women had a still birth at home and they decided to bury it in the home cemetery without notifying the authorities of a still birth? Is it the fact that she failed to recognize it as a pregnancy to the doctors and didn't seek medical attention before, or that she threw it in the garbage?
@schuylaar Very valid points and have to agree with just about everything you said, do you consider it murder just because of the way she handled it afterward, or just the act of not being present in a hospital and having the proper care available in case of a still birth? What is your position about home births and do you think women who choose to deliver at home should be punished for a still born or miscarriage?
@schuylaar Very valid points and have to agree with just about everything you said, do you consider it murder just because of the way she handled it afterward, or just the act of not being present in a hospital and having the proper care available in case of a still birth? What is your position about home births and do you think women who choose to deliver at home should be punished for a still born or miscarriage?
i seriously don't believe you just said that..the ever present smile on my face just dropped.
this is what a 24-week old fetus looks like, which is viable outside the womb..that's why the cut-off is 20 weeks:
http://www.babycenter.com/fetal-development-images-24-weeks
in my industry, those with 24 week old fetuses typically choose burial or cremation..not dumpster.
she will never know the joy of a child or grandchild, because she will be in prison until she reaches menopause.
she is where she belongs.
see4
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Can't forget Idaho and the Dakotas.
UncleBuck
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this would make a great sig for anyone interested. just saying. it seems to upset people.
see4
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I disagree. Kids having kids are a problem. She was obviously not mature enough to have a child (or in this case, not have one), and she did a horrible thing. But 20 years in jail? No. If you look at the facts, she committed no crime. Period.
it was murder because the baby took at least one breath and prosecution was able to prove this via medical examiner. that's all that's needed to consider murder charge.
i'm not familiar with stillbirth law..stillbirth depending on when it occurs is going to depend on what you do with the fetus..typically stillbirth is referred to when the baby reaches a certain point of gestation..we received a case when the baby was around 24-25 weeks..it had to be autopsied then we got it..by that time there was nothing left to it..surface packs only, there was nothing left to embalm..then the baby was wrapped and stored for pickup.
she's 33 (immature?) and threw a breathing baby into the dumpster. that's murder.
UncleBuck
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they did a lung float test. they took the lungs out of the stillborn and placed them in water and they floated.
stillborn lungs can do this too. it's a discredited test. it's been discredited for decades now.
Davis, who is also the assistant state medical examiner for the commonwealth of Kentucky, said there are at least three reasons why a float test could yield inaccurate results, indicating the presence of air in the lungs even though the fetus never took a breath. The first is easiest to understand: If any attempt at resuscitation was made, either through mouth-to-mouth or chest compressions, that can introduce air into a lung, thus causing it to float even if the fetus was stillborn. The second has to do with decomposition: If the fetus has decomposed even a little bit, the lungs can fill with gas bubbles that would also result in the lung floating. Finally, Davis said, a fetus’s lungs can fill with air just by going through the vaginal canal, because pressure on the chest creates a “bellows effect.”
http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/crime/2015/02/purvi_patel_feticide_why_did_the_pathologist_use_the_discredited_lung_float.html
UncleBuck
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it was not demonstrated beyond a reasonable doubt that the baby ever breathed on its own. the mother even tried to resuscitate the stillborn. hence why the lungs would float.
Hazydat620
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What is the point of taking one breath? The baby took one breath and was not able to survive on it's own? How is that murder? If you were in a hospital giving birth, and you delivered a baby that took one breath and the nurses and doctors weren't able to revive the baby, do you think you should be going to jail for murder? @schuylaar I agree, pretty irresponsible and heinous, but murder?? negligible homicide, criminal negligence, a whole slew of other charges they could charge her with, but murder? For a pre mature baby to take one breath and pass?