WHO'S HAVING SUCCESS WITH MONSTER CROPPING?

jacksthc said:

yes its the roots supplying the plant all the food it needs from the roots and with most plants allows then to grow new shoots when the plant is badly dammaged, or in the spring but as canbis plant only grows for a season the genetics of the plant doesn't allow the roots to grow new shoots so it works diffent, you probably know why but all that matters is canbis plants can't shed its leaves and store energy in the roots to pull around when the weather picks up
its set in stone where new shoots can grow on a canbis plant and its only on green brach/ stem, once you remove a leaf below a node/shoot it will never grow back

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lol you are so over your head...not specific enough. phloem is the part of the vascular tissue that sends nutrients, carbohydrates, and other minerals in solution (dissolved in water) throughout the plant. all vascular tissue in the plant has xylem (which takes water in from the ground used for transpiration and nutrient uptake), and phloem which moves manufactured products of the plant from one location to another, even down to the roots. all vascular tissue in the roots has xylem and phloem. this is why i tell you (or anyone else) to educate yourself before opening your mouth. if you actually did understand the botany of a plant... you might understand why 90% of what most people spew out on here is MISinformation. gotta educate and see through the bullshit.

EDIT: and once again no one is trying to say that cannabis is not a seasonal plant. so i dont know what you're arguing??? and learn how to use punctuation so people can read and try and understand what you are trying to communicate.

It sounds like you read to many books and every plant grows the same in your little world.

You know a lot about plants biology but the way you write the posts is based on all plants and you have little to no ideal about canbis plants

Thats why you think 90% of the site give miss information because indoor grows don't follow the same rules as outdoor grows

jacksthc said:

It sounds like you read to many books and every plant grows the same in your little world.

You know a lot about plants biology but the way you write the posts is based on all plants and you have little to no ideal about canbis plants

Thats why you think 90% of the site give miss information because indoor grows don't follow the same rules as outdoor grows

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LOL. ok GUY. So you you're assuming that cannabis is different than all other plants. look up MONOCOT, DICOT, EUDICOT. maybe then you'll see that cannabis is not so different from other plants after all, since there are basically 3 types of vascular tissues for basically every plant on earth which all contain basically the same tissues/structures. you should probably enroll yourself in a few basic biology and botany classes if you're going to try and tell me what a plant does and doesn't do. sounds like i'm too educated (and not even that educated) to try and explain anything that makes any sense to you. i guess my world is TOO (note the correct usage/spelling of the word) little. I know 90% of this shit people, like yourself, spew out. I've done my homework and research and continue to do it still. you have no facts to back you up, and dismiss anything that you do not understand the least bit. i'm done looking at this MONSTER cropping thread forever lol. good luck.

ShLUbY said:

LOL. ok GUY. So you you're assuming that cannabis is different than all other plants. look up MONOCOT, DICOT, EUDICOT. maybe then you'll see that cannabis is not so different from other plants after all, since there are basically 3 types of vascular tissues for basically every plant on earth which all contain basically the same tissues/structures. you should probably enroll yourself in a few basic biology and botany classes if you're going to try and tell me what a plant does and doesn't do. sounds like i'm too educated (and not even that educated) to try and explain anything that makes any sense to you. i guess my world is TOO (note the correct usage/spelling of the word) little. I know 90% of this shit people, like yourself, spew out. I've done my homework and research and continue to do it still. you have no facts to back you up, and dismiss anything that you do not understand the least bit. i'm done looking at this MONSTER cropping thread forever lol. good luck.

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bye felicia!

So back to Monster Cropping... So what I gather from the few pics that were posted of actual Monster Cropped plants, this is going to work great for me, given the plants I'm using have strong genetics and take well to it. I do 16 plants per 4x4 tray in 5 gallon pots. If my clones put out a lot of branches out the gate, I might not even have to top and stress the plant a lot, cause ill already have plenty of branches to weave for each square foot of screen Can't wait to find out, I'll cut the clones on day 17 of flower, that gives me 43 days for them to be rooted, I'll think I'll make it On second thought, I'll probably get new clones and do 5 trays of those, and just do 1 tray of the monster cropped clones in case they turn out shitty and larfy lol. This should be interesting!

Weird how when a plant is in flowering mode for just a week or two it will go all the way down to single blade leaves before it goes back up to 3,5 etc. You would think it might only go down to 3 blade leaves but it always goes right down to singles.

Now with this supercropping technique, wouldn't it be the same if you just harvested 90% of the buds and then regenerated the plant, without even taking cuttings? Then you don't have to wait for them to grow roots again and main stems. I flowered some plants for seeds and after about 5 weeks in short days I went back to long days and let the seeds ripen like that and harvested them and left some lower buds and it regenned, going down to single blade leaves. Took a long time to regen though. Didn't have much new growth until about 4 weeks later. I guess they were still directing energy to ripening the seeds. The regenning didn't really start until I harvested the main seed filled buds.

well as everyone is into Monster Cropping here 's mine, didn't wait till the plants was in full flower but took the cutting when the buds where starting to grow and top them, so my cutting will look really bushy and take less time in veg, the disadvantage is there hot going to put out as many shoots

100% of them rooted in 13 days, all 9 cutting where very heathy,(only kept the best 6 plants ( and the other 3 are in a box without light and water just to see how long they live), 10 days in veg and they are very bushy, half the new leaves look a little odd but I am sure they will be ready to flower in 2-3 weeks

3 clones in a box with no light or water for 12 days



and the other 6 plant in veg for the last 12 days



just checked the dates and the plants been in veg for 12 days

Early stages of an NL that was used to produce seed and now in reveg.
She was small when harvested and never been transplanted from this cup.

ricky1lung said:

Early stages of an NL that was used to produce seed and now in reveg.
She was small when harvested and never been transplanted from this cup.

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top job she very heathy

jacksthc said:

top job she very heathy

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Thanks. Tbh she was a hurting unit before she was chopped. My first time growing an NL.

This one ended up 2.5 - 3 ft tall in that cup, should have a good root system.that's her lowest 4 branches with barely even any popcorn bud.
Now that I've gotten her back to health and she's been in reveg for almost a week I'm going to toss her in a fabric bag and train the hell out of it.

She will be a monster.

Sounds like a great ideal

"disadvantage is there not going to put out as many shoots" @jacksthc Are you talking about the monster clone isn't going to put out as many shoots? and why? OR were you just saying the flowering plants you took the cuts off weren't going to have as many shoots because you took some cuts off them?

MammothGrow said:

"disadvantage is there not going to put out as many shoots" @jacksthc Are you talking about the monster clone isn't going to put out as many shoots? and why? OR were you just saying the flowering plants you took the cuts off weren't going to have as many shoots because you took some cuts off them?

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When I took my cuttings, the plants where only just turning over to flower (true flower), only a few white hairs on the plants.
with my plants in veg, some of the leaves are growing normal and the others are the classic mc leaves, so the plants not going to bush out as much as taking the cutting a week later in flower and reveging the clone.

The later in flower you take a cutting the harder and longer it takes to root and reveg (mc)

jacksthc said:

When I took my cuttings, the plants where only just turning over to flower (true flower), only a few white hairs on the plants.
with my plants in veg, some of the leaves are growing normal and the others are the classic mc leaves, so the plants not going to bush out as much as taking the cutting a week later in flower and reveging the clone.

The later in flower you take a cutting the harder and longer it takes to root and reveg (mc)

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There fore its not monster cropping right ???
i mean the inventors of this Feral is saying your doing it all wrong what is stated is taking cuttings from a flowering plant not one that just went into flowering but one that is already 3rd week of flower


Monster Cropping


Monster Cropping or Flowering Clones is another method of growing that was brought to my attention by one of our members; JWP, who also was kind enough to provide the pictures for this part of the guide. This method involves taking clones of flowering plants and then forcing them to root and re-veg, which eventually leads to very bushy plants with a great number of branches and nodes. I named this technique Monster Cropping because that is what you will get, real monster plants, but also because this method was introduced to the scene by a grower named greenmonster714. He in turn credits a grower named Feral for discovering this technique.

Taking clones from flowering plants goes against all that has been said about cloning cannabis and might therefore seem a bit confusing at first but the science behind the technique is sound and the results speak for themselves.

You start by taking clones of a plant that is about 21 days into flowering. This seems to be the best time to do it but you can also take clones at a later stage with similar results. The lower branches make better clones as they have not yet become rigid and will also root faster and more easily than say the top cola. Move the new cutting into a glass of water and let it sit for a while in order to make sure that no air gets into the vascular system during handling, as this can be fatal to your new plant. You should make the cut so that it runs along the stem as this will increase the surface area for water and possibly nutrient uptake, depending on what method of cloning you use. Personally, I have found that using a small hydroponic setup or apropagation bubbler to be by far the best way to clone cannabis plants. I will not expand on the subject of cloning here, if you need more information on how to clone your plants, have a look at the official cloning thread by JJScorpio

In the picture below, you can see how the clone from a flowering plant been has placed in a propagation bubbler for rooting and re-vegging. This also means that you will have to put the clone back under a veg light schedule of 20/4 or even 24/0. Any less and the clone might just continue flowering. Clones do not need strong light so a small CFL will do. You can remove some of the buds and leaves at this stage in order to encourage the plant to revert back into its vegetative cycle but leave the topmost shoot alone.



It will take several weeks for the clone to root, some never do, so it is best that you take a great number of clones at the same time in order to ensure that at least one makes it on to the next stage. It might be a good idea to place the clones inside a humidity dome, which can be bought at gardening stores or custom built for your specific needs. The high humidity inside the dome will make sure that the plants do not dry out and die. Ventilate the dome every day just to make sure that the plants don't get attacked by mold.

Keep in mind however that the most important thing when it comes to cloning is to provide the fresh cuttings with plenty of oxygen and that is why the propagation bubbler is so effective compared to other methods.




The clones might be a sad sight at first but as soon as they root, they will also revert back into the vegetative stage and start growing again. Once the clones have rooted properly and started growing again, they will put out single unserrated leaves at first but the normal leaves are soon to follow. It might be a good idea to apply some training at this stage, tying down some of the tops will encourage even more branching. You can also provide some heat underneath the clones as this will speed up the rooting process considerably.



When the plant starts growing again, the incredible branching power of the flowering clone becomes apparent.



As you can see, this plant has grown into a real monster, and all this without ever topping the plant. That's the beauty of this technique; you can forget all about topping and FIM'ing since the flowering clone will sprout all these new branches all by itself.

This plant is now perfectly suited for a SCROG or perhaps even a SOG grow. This one plant can easily fill up an entire Scrog net in no time. Several of these plants grown in SOG will definitely give you a grand harvest.

There are other benefits from using this technique; it also removes the need for keeping mother plants. When the newly re-vegged plant is flowered, it can also provide more clones for a perpetual harvest. Recycling at its best. This might be of interest to those who need to keep down their number of plants.

Needless to say, this method is highly effective thanks to the heavy branching that occurs after a flowering clone is re-vegged. With further training and some patience, you will get some real monster plants and thereby also a monster harvest.

right ??? i mean this is taking a clone from a flowering plant not one that has been re vegged and take clones off it goes against the technique all together its clones from a FLOWERING PLANT with that little fur ball on top lol

i mean the inventors of this Feral is saying your doing it all wrong what is stated is taking cuttings from a flowering plant not one that just went into flowering but one that is already 3rd week of flower


Monster Cropping


Monster Cropping or Flowering Clones is another method of growing that was brought to my attention by one of our members; JWP, who also was kind enough to provide the pictures for this part of the guide. This method involves taking clones of flowering plants and then forcing them to root and re-veg, which eventually leads to very bushy plants with a great number of branches and nodes. I named this technique Monster Cropping because that is what you will get, real monster plants, but also because this method was introduced to the scene by a grower named greenmonster714. He in turn credits a grower named Feral for discovering this technique.

Taking clones from flowering plants goes against all that has been said about cloning cannabis and might therefore seem a bit confusing at first but the science behind the technique is sound and the results speak for themselves.

You start by taking clones of a plant that is about 21 days into flowering. This seems to be the best time to do it but you can also take clones at a later stage with similar results. The lower branches make better clones as they have not yet become rigid and will also root faster and more easily than say the top cola. Move the new cutting into a glass of water and let it sit for a while in order to make sure that no air gets into the vascular system during handling, as this can be fatal to your new plant. You should make the cut so that it runs along the stem as this will increase the surface area for water and possibly nutrient uptake, depending on what method of cloning you use. Personally, I have found that using a small hydroponic setup or apropagation bubbler to be by far the best way to clone cannabis plants. I will not expand on the subject of cloning here, if you need more information on how to clone your plants, have a look at the official cloning thread by JJScorpio

In the picture below, you can see how the clone from a flowering plant been has placed in a propagation bubbler for rooting and re-vegging. This also means that you will have to put the clone back under a veg light schedule of 20/4 or even 24/0. Any less and the clone might just continue flowering. Clones do not need strong light so a small CFL will do. You can remove some of the buds and leaves at this stage in order to encourage the plant to revert back into its vegetative cycle but leave the topmost shoot alone.



It will take several weeks for the clone to root, some never do, so it is best that you take a great number of clones at the same time in order to ensure that at least one makes it on to the next stage. It might be a good idea to place the clones inside a humidity dome, which can be bought at gardening stores or custom built for your specific needs. The high humidity inside the dome will make sure that the plants do not dry out and die. Ventilate the dome every day just to make sure that the plants don't get attacked by mold.

Keep in mind however that the most important thing when it comes to cloning is to provide the fresh cuttings with plenty of oxygen and that is why the propagation bubbler is so effective compared to other methods.




The clones might be a sad sight at first but as soon as they root, they will also revert back into the vegetative stage and start growing again. Once the clones have rooted properly and started growing again, they will put out single unserrated leaves at first but the normal leaves are soon to follow. It might be a good idea to apply some training at this stage, tying down some of the tops will encourage even more branching. You can also provide some heat underneath the clones as this will speed up the rooting process considerably.



When the plant starts growing again, the incredible branching power of the flowering clone becomes apparent.



As you can see, this plant has grown into a real monster, and all this without ever topping the plant. That's the beauty of this technique; you can forget all about topping and FIM'ing since the flowering clone will sprout all these new branches all by itself.

This plant is now perfectly suited for a SCROG or perhaps even a SOG grow. This one plant can easily fill up an entire Scrog net in no time. Several of these plants grown in SOG will definitely give you a grand harvest.

There are other benefits from using this technique; it also removes the need for keeping mother plants. When the newly re-vegged plant is flowered, it can also provide more clones for a perpetual harvest. Recycling at its best. This might be of interest to those who need to keep down their number of plants.

Needless to say, this method is highly effective thanks to the heavy branching that occurs after a flowering clone is re-vegged. With further training and some patience, you will get some real monster plants and thereby also a monster harvest.[/QUOTE]

your 100% right I am not doing a text book MC grow .
I have changed the technique to reduce the re veg time, so there ready to flower in a few weeks and I was letting every body know

not every thing is black and white lol

Hey guys I'm not a pro and some of those words up there were bursting in my head lol deffo a lesson... I have an afghani that was spare I vegd her for a month from sprout and stuck her into the flowering room to see what it was because it was a regular seed, flowered for four weeks until the main stem started a flower then I pulled it out to re vegg for a month and halfs under cfl then back into flowering it was an existing lesson because I have done monster cropping with the church and deep cheese.. Point is here she is after four weeks of flowering under 600 hps she gave out some flowers very slow maybe my error dnt know
In a way I am glad I did it because all my other seeds failed me lol and it companies my delahaze. And hear that seeds man afghani is not a big producer but hopefully this baby will. Happy growing peeps
P.S do not attempt this with a short bushy strain like afghan because it's too much way too much defoliation involved unless you love it.... it's frikkin awesome

Labs Dexter said:

Hey guys I'm not a pro and some of those words up there were bursting in my head lol deffo a lesson... I have an afghani that was spare I vegd her for a month from sprout and stuck her into the flowering room to see what it was because it was a regular seed, flowered for four weeks until the main stem started a flower then I pulled it out to re vegg for a month and halfs under cfl then back into flowering it was an existing lesson because I have done monster cropping with the church and deep cheese.. Point is here she is after four weeks of flowering under 600 hps she gave out some flowers very slow maybe my error dnt know View attachment 3507824 View attachment 3507827
In a way I am glad I did it because all my other seeds failed me lol and it companies my delahaze. And hear that seeds man afghani is not a big producer but hopefully this baby will. Happy growing peeps
P.S do not attempt this with a short bushy strain like afghan because it's too much way too much defoliation involved unless you love it.... it's frikkin awesome

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Its not a mistake, maybe it should be called early monster crop (EMC), ( don't think it makes a diffence from a clone or plant, if you re veg when it shows its sex) I have done this often and my plants look yours but with a lot more buds by week 4.
I know its a Indica strain but that plant is a sativa phoneo, there no doubt about that so it will take longer in flower to show sex and it could take 10 weeks before you havest

didn't you say it took 4 weeks to show sex the first time ?
so its taken under 4 weeks to show sex this time, sounds about right to me

how long did it take in veg before the leaves started to grow normal ?

hope everyone can see this plant is a less bushy than a MC plant but at the same time its very bushy
and hope everyone can see what I was taking about now thanks to labs dexter

well done, don't remove any leaves till you see my plant at week 3 in flower



The plant after the fan leaves removed (early monster crop)



so give it a few weeks and your plant should look like this

jacksthc said:

Its not a mistake, maybe it should be called early monster crop (EMC), ( don't think it makes a diffence from a clone or plant, if you re veg when it shows its sex) I have done this often and my plants look yours but with a lot more buds by week 4.
I know its a Indica strain but that plant is a sativa phoneo, there no doubt about that so it will take longer in flower to show sex and it could take 10 weeks before you havest

didn't you say it took 4 weeks to show sex the first time ?
so its taken under 4 weeks to show sex this time, sounds about right to me

how long did it take in veg before the leaves started to grow normal ?

hope everyone can see this plant is a less bushy than a MC plant but at the same time its very bushy
and hope everyone can see what I was taking about now thanks to labs dexter

well done, don't remove any leaves till you see my plant at week 3 in flower

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The plant after the fan leaves removed (early monster crop)

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so give it a few weeks and your plant should look like this

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Nice lol, its ment to be a land race afghani all other seeds from same bag are very indica... it showed seex at week two the first time and still left it in till the first flower at week four... Then I re-veggd for about 6-7 weeks not sure. Really didn't think it would work because it was really abnormal growth for about 2 weeks. And the difference is between my afghani and yours is the root mass n stem thickness the flowers are twice the size it first came out.. And for bud size a don't really give any chems just mg soil n honey or molasses with water, they are personal and I like em to their thing

Sory I just realised u did the same thing lmao sorry mare stoned as he'll and reading. Really sorry