Long time grower returns to the life

First post, decided to join here because when i was a much younger lad figuring all this out, roll it up was where i lurked and learned the most IIRC lol.Ehhh, i decided i might as well join a forum and do a grow log, considering the changing of laws and whatnot in recent years. Feel absolutely free to post on my journal!

I grew for ages as an illicit basement grower with 2x1kw HID DWC setup. Moved to kansas city and managed some grows commercially for a couple years. Larger scale hydro systems. Then i actually worked a well paying government job for a bit that will remain un-named. (nothing to do with law enforcement, more to do with meteorology) after that which had me very busy.

Ive recently moved elsewhere in the country. And where i live now im not to worried about growing. I was going to do some DWC, but the closet i have here fluctuates too much in temp so ill just be doing a small soil grow inside under full spectrum LED in quite a dirty closet. Ill be improving the setup in the coming months. Most will be going outside this season, i have a lot of good land at my disposal now.

All genetics are crosses/genetics i made myself back in kansas city. Names are mine and my old roomate's names. Ill include a little type-up of the known lineages down below. Including a better explanation of my thoughts on "4 old deadhead's sativa beans"

This grow will also be a way for me to do a little pheno hunting and source clones.

Ive started:

3 Gobnugget fem F1

3 Peaceblaster Fem F1

2 Biggs ---- Fem F2

4 old deadhead's sativa beans----???? His buds were just big pointy christmas trees that tasted as good as pine-sol smells, in the best way possible that i know a lot of others miss too. The top most my seeds came from (about 50) weighed clos to 10g and it was absolutely connoisseur grade sativa goodness that's hard to find. Honestly im excited about these the most.

These genetics were just crosses made for me to toy with on my own time, but never really got around to hunting them like they warrant. Life got away from me (no free time) for about half a decade



Peaceblaster fem F1


Gobnugget Fem F1


Biggs


The raspy old deadhead's sativa beans. 2 trifoliates, one was fused.


One of these old sativas looked like a graboid from tremors to begin with. Was a fused trifoliate. I used a sterile scalpel and careful sliced along the fuse lines to open the seedling up to let the true leaves out. If i were a betting man, id say it's gonna be just fine, if just a little behind the others. I don't mind it.

Graboid trifoliate Pre-surgery


an amount of time later


Now




The mix is my own compost made over last summer and this winter cleaning up the yard here, some scrap food, and goat monure, bout it. I mixed it about 60/40 with coir. Didn't use any perlite, couldn't find any locally and wanted to get started. They don't seem to mind, didn't think they would, and i don't either. Will be watering appropriately. The mix doesn't clump and aerates nicely so didnt stress it.



I'm probably only going to keep one Biggs inside right now and flower her somewhat small. I have several of that fem f2 in the fridge and they are all very similar to one another anyway. Im planning on grabbing some more full spectrum led's. Ill probably end up with 3 in this closet space. It still needs work and ill show more of it as that work gets done. Its just one dimmable LED right now and one fan nothing special. I'll show more as theres more to show so i don't get eaten alive unnecessarily by internet land. I usecheap gear for the most part and always have when it's for my own grows. I have several years of electronics troubleshooting and repair experience from tube amplifiers to switch mode pwoer supplies and LED drivers, and a pretty good stock of most electrical components on hand i'd need to repair most electronics, and if kept cool its the driver that always fails in these cheap full spectrum led's anyway.




At some point by fall ill probably chuck a 4x4 or 5x5 down in the basement where i can keep bucket temps a lot more stable, more easily. But im in the middle of some renovating/finishing work down there and it goes slow so when self done usually. Ha! I would like to get 2 or 3 DWC buckets going for some quicker turn arounds with larger yields. The cannabis is more expensive in the pot shops here then i wan't to pay This will probably only be an outdoor/mini indoor log through this season, but will probably slowly transitions to a bit bigger DWC only growlog taking place down stairs. Playing it all by ear and reserve the right to change any and all plans or completely disappear all together

I also don't keep track of days in my own personal grows (or for anything really anymore), it has over the years become a very tedious thing to me, so i dont do it on my own time. Pretty sure i put seeds on towel like a week ago or something like that.




The biggs and peaceblaster seeds are both about 5 years old (Also the most vigorous to start, but seed keep for a VERY long time in the cold) The gobnugget seeds are about 3 years old, untested seeds. fridge stored. The old deadhead's beans i obtained this last winter on a trip back to missouri.

Biggs= Bubba kush x gelato f1 regular cross. Pheno hunted for two very similar females. two small clones were grown in a small tent together, one was forced to hermaphrodite. The seeds im calling biggs are these seeds. Ive grown 3 of them and so far theyve been similar enough to not justify giving them numbers. If stressed can hermie. But just a few little bananas and a seed or two per. No full male flowers.

Gobnugget= thin mint cookies x male seedsman original afgani #1 F1 cross. Male selected....
GG4 clone x selected F1 male (it was selected for tight node spacing and rapid flower development, didnt translate as wished really.) Female selected
Selected female clone X Blue dream male. (I traded some female bubba x gelato pollen for this male pollen to another Missouri area cat) Female selected. Gobnugget is an accidental F1 feminized cross of this selected female and Biggs. Grew them together once and had a family emergency and no one to plant sit. Left town for about 4 days leaving lights off (for safety) in a DWC grow. Came back and finished up. The Biggs spit a few bananas. The selected female clone did not. Her seeds were kept and labeled "Gobnuggets?"

I will likely be numbering the Gobnugget females at some point until i chose one. I'll prob just call it gobnugget then. I have never grown these seeds before.

Peaceblaster=

Selected female clone X Blue dream male

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x forced hermaphrodite Columbian landrace sativa - F1 fem cross (Yup ....you can go back and look and let that one sink in for second. You can't have any. Sorry) The phenos ive run tended to test in the mid 20s

Ill be numbering these too. Ive done a couple of these, one was a heavily sativa dominant plant with hybrid vigor that would triple in size during flower, outyeild any of my indicas in grm/m3 metrics, be ready to pull in 55 days flat on a solid DWC run. It could do this in half the veg time of my Biggs while ending up twice the size and more then double the yield if you compared directly on a plant to plant basis.


Those old deadhead's beans= Is a non fem sativa cross that's supposed to be the original Jack Herrer x Original Big bud. Dude also, like many crazy old deadheads, has crazy old dead head stories. Said he's been running the same males and females for 30 years now and got both plants from a friend of Jack himself. The buds he shared were seriously massive, and seriously good. Had that sativa straight pine taste you just basically never find anymore. I got 2/4 trifoliates which is interesting, haven't had 50% trifoliates in any beans ive popped before, so i AM at least somewhat inclined to believe that wherever this seed stock originated, it's been inbred for several generations. So maybe it is an older genetic worth preserving or breeding??? I have pretty solid confirmation his claim of essentially inbreeding the same plants for 30 generations would play well with this % of likely inbred origin deformity. I have probably 50 more of these seeds too. More then ill ever need. The guy really just let his pollen chuck itself year after year never removing the males starting from just a couple plants if his story checks out. These seeds are very fresh. Big fat, very circular seeds with dark stripes, fridge stored


Ill gather up some old pics of my DWC home grows and post em at some point. I don't feel like it right now, this post got way bigger then i intended. Im sorry my current photos suck, im using a modern flip phone. I hope i compiled this in an easy enough to read manner.

I don't have as many good pics of my old personal at home DWC grows as i thought i did. Some google photos wont let me download, others are downloading in a weird file type. These are the only one's i was able to download in jpg/png. I just realized i can add some from snips/screenshots though, prob will later on.

Just some random old pics of mine so theres something a little more interesting to look at from the beginning of the thread. I do have a lot more photos but the forum uploaded says not the right file extension, and i dont feel like sitting and converting old photos just to show them off.

This one was the Columbian Landrace (this plant is NOT a fan of DWC, its very difficult to grow in such a method, it got so big, so fast, but still takes about 11-12 weeks to fully ripen. I was never able to full ripen it in any indoor method before i've had to make the cut, only outdoors where the things vigor is really unmatched) Id say the land race itself was only 8-15% thc tops, but it made for excellent breeding stock. The peaceblaster's growth and vigor originated in this landrace, but so did its difficulty to grow in DWC.

For arm shot comparison, im 6'4" 220. Im a cornfed southerner originally from the mountains.


IIRC this was a Peaceblaster. Also very difficult to grow in DWC, but actually doable to finish. Being half land race im expecting this one ot prefer the great outdoors as well. Never done one outside before. Wasnt a perfect run on this one, my dumbass introduced a gelato plant a month or so before this and didnt properly quarantine and introduced aphids to my crop about halfway through flower. Quality was fine but yield suffered a little, and some of the popcorn had mummified aphids on it. You can see some of the fan leave damage. I was in an out a lot during that grow and didnt notice right away. (Even if the clone is coming from a successful commercial grow, through hands you trust, ALWAYS FOLLOW PROPER QUARANTINE PROCEDURE) Most of this plant was turned into concentrates as a result. Clones of this plant made it to a few Missouri commercial grows too. IDK if names were changed, stayed the same, or if they were even propagated out or not, but there is a real chance some people in the Kansas City area that use the pot shops have likely had this plant before. It was a heavily sativa dominant plant with F1 hybrid vigor, wouldnt hermie, it cloned great, and got bigger quicker then any other plan't ive had the pleasure of growing, and was ready in under 60 days flower time. You could veg 2 of these for a month with proper training, flip to flower ina 4x4, and expect roughly a pound 60 days later if you have a dialed in flower regiment for her. tested mid 20s reliably too. By the time she's done in DWC, 100% of the plant that was there when the 12/12 flip is made, is lolipopped and gone. Was about as close to a perfect performer as you could get. Vigor in growth and propagation and yeild, quality, and bag appeal were all on point. She fox-tailed, but didnt matter for trimming, her bud/leaf ratio was out of this world.



I also managed to find a couple old photos of a purple cookies phenotype i had that we called the little monster. Dont have any finish shots of this one... really wish i did. Don't have any more seeds either, and the one person back in Missouri who had cuts had to nuke their grow for russet mites -_- She's gone forever, and its a shame. She never yielded a lot, but that didn't matter for a variety of reason.

This was the single most beautiful cannabis phenotype i've ever seen. Even her leaves by themselves warranted just sitting and starring at their beauty. She tested near 30% too, once higher. She grew a waxy Glaucus layer on her leaves as well. Something i've never seen any other cannabis plant do before or since. You could peel it off the leaves like a lamination. It was like the skin of a cactus/succulent or something just not as thick or tough. She was drought AND insect resistant like no other plant ive grown as a result of that too. She sometimes grew fasciated crested cola's as well. Which if you've never seen, hit up google, it's wild. So far my biggest growing career regret, was loosing this cookies pheno. Its more vigorous, more potent, more colorful, faster flowing, better tasting and smelling, easier and faster to clone, and more disease and pest resistant then GDP ever was... Compared to every other plant ive personally had, she was basically an alien. I intentionally never traded her with anyone associated with other grows, especially commercial, but greatly regret having not done so. These days im adamant about not keeping genetics like this to yourself. Spread them as much as you can, GG4 style.



I am, and always have been, for my personal grows at least, some clear but mostly cloudy trich kinda guy. There are plants i've enjoyed taking into Amber trichomes for my own personal grows, but i prefer clear/mostly cloudy, and ive never had issues obtaining solid yeilds even when ive messed up pretty bad, so i usually dont shoot for that extra sleepy grammage either.

I dug up some more old photos out of an old retired phone. This phone had mainly close up shots i was just taking for friends during harvest, i tended not to take many full dry line shots, i preferred most acquaintances be not completely aware of the quality, nor yields i was getting in my own grows at the time. For a plethora of reasons. None of my shots ever used any filtering sharpening or editing. Just straight up photos.

Here's some crapy finish shots of The Little Monster (The purple cookies pheno) Was never a huge yielder, i grew for other reasons


This is Biggs, First pic is a Columbian Land-Race nug help up next to a live Biggs bud. I can't seem to dig up any whole plant shots of biggs at all. Not sure why i remember taking plenty. May have had cloud storage off on that device at the time or something i guess. I had a tendency to break phones and buy new ones. This is why i landed on the flip phone these days. It survives falls even caseless. And i dont waste my life on social media nearly as often. Forgive the beer cans, i had a couple pounds of Biggs to trim, all help backed out, all plants came down at the same time too. So had to get on trimming as soon as cut was made, by the time i was done i was trimming dry buds lol. Crank trimmer was broken at home, my racks were loaned out and werent returned in time... it was a mess and i wasn't happy about it either. Biggs is a major PITA to trim up wet or dry either one. Buds are rock dense, and she makes no shortage of sugar trim.. Her sugar trim made phenomenal live resin, and 5-6 grams of it dry would give you about a G in the hand rosin press. She treats ya real good long before you have a cured bud in hand as long as you aren't lazy.

Honestly i think she'll do absolutely horrible outdoors where im living right now, and ill probably be fighting rot by harvest. Only doing one, we'll see how it goes. Keeping one inside, will either flower small if i dont have the basement done up yet, or just keep her as clone mother for a bit then flower her out.


This is a top bud of Peaceblaster against a top bud of Biggs. I grew these two pheno together in the same tend pretty often. 1 peaceblaster would fill half a 4x4 pretty perfectly in the same time 2 biggs filled the other half. With two markedly distinct genetics, i could pull off 1lb 90 day turnarounds from 3 clones reliably in a single 4x4 under a single 480w LED panel, one nearly pure indica, one heavily sativa dom, with both done flowering in Under 60 days with above average yields for plants that fast in such a space. A bud of Biggs like this probably weighs around 3g- 8th. (I am a VERY large human like i said above)



These are Top bud shots of my old fast Peaceblaster Pheno prob about 55 days or so into flower at the second pic if had to guess. This is not a plant for beginners, especially in a hydro setup. It's not as tricky as the landrace in DWC. But it took a few runs to get a result like this one. Had better runs after but i cant seem to turn up those photos. This was a very quirky and tricky plant, but my god was the result worth it when you did good on her.

Plants like this tend to be very rewarding to figure out, but are effected hugely by any and all inconsistencies in scheduling or feeding, and they tend to want more intense light then something like my Biggs (which i grow for shear potency, and the plant grows itself, its just slow) but also let far more light penetrate the canopy. You couldnt feed this plant any more then 450-500ppm in dwc with distilled water, and a quite frankly insane portion of that was just straight cal-mag but even slightly TOO much and she'd go into nitrogen toxicity overnight. She hated silica... idek, but she did have some of the stiffest strongest damn stems and structure naturally. Never once yo-yo'd or tied her unless i was just needing to balancethe entire plant. If PH went above 5.9 or below 5.7 for a small amount of time, veg or flower, fan leaves start crisping up, either direction, never managed to figure her all the way out but she was a picky one. I have a pretty good hunch, that much like the columbian land race pollen donor, she'll prob respond to being in soil outdoors a bit better. Which is cool now that i have my own land to work with.

If you bomb or pull too soon, this peaceblaster was barely as good as mexican brick if even that, (a grower just starting may very well ditch this plant after one go and assume it was a legendary turd), but if you nail it, it's some of the highest quality, most satisfying cannabis ive ever consumed even if far from the most potent. This one had a quality to her texture, burn, and buzz that just doesn't seem to come without paying some dues somewhere. You know how sometimes at the pot shop you see a 20s testing, heavily sativa bud that costs an arm and a leg for a zip compared to the much stronger gelato in the counter that hits harder and costs less? This kind of plant is why that's still a thing. The original Lemon and super silver hazes are good examples of plants in this vein. And they do absolutely encourage maintaining a "respectful to yourself and the plant" kind of tolerance. it's worth it.

You could almost kill these feminized peaceblasters, at least the phenos ive run, and they don't do bananas. They just wont do it. Prob that multi-generational F1+land race genepool. Biggs will spit bananas if you look at her wrong past week 5 flower. I tend to not clone propagate her though, her characteristics start to drift, and i have plenty of remarkably consistent fem bean F2's of her. Gobnugget is an accidental fem F1 involving a stress hermied biggs though. Im actually quite curious what kind of genetic stability with stress and long term cloning that cross will have. It takes about 30 second to trim an entire top cola with her even if you dry before trim.



Ill continue to post more bud pRon if i come across it and feel like it, unless a mod tells me to stop anyway. I may not have actually taken much if any full setup/full crop shots. Everyone i wanted to know about my setup already knew, i dont think i had many reasons to take anything other then close up shots as patient teasers for the most part. IDK its been a few years now.



I promise im not trying to seem like an expert on anything. I have a lot of growing experience across many areas, but am by no means an expert nor wish to represent myself as one* I just get baked on some good sativa, and ramble. Change is the only constant, but some things never change lmao.

If anyone is curious about my naming convention, it's actually my old roomate's plant naming convention. They are named after old songs from a trippy jam band called STS9 (iirc it stands for Sound Tribe of Sector 9, also iirc sector 9 is what our branch of the milky way is referred to in cosmology/astronomy). With some of the names they choose, i can't help but feel strongly this is what they wanted to happen.


Funny coincidence though, the song Biggs comes in pt 1,2, and 3. And biggs was my only seedborn genetic i didn't bother numbering throughout a grow. At the time it was not known how consistent they'd be for a fem f2 lol. I never even made a clone mother because i had so many beans i wanted to pop from that bubba, The galato cut used for the cross was a from an s1 self-pollenated bean on a clone only gelato cut that circulates commercially around kansas city. Was a self-feminized s1, and im pretty sure thats where Bigg's willingness to shoot late flower bananas came from, as well as its consistency in expression. The gelato probably passed on some dominant characteristics from a very limited gene pool. The plants themselves express far more like the gelato then the bubba kush, quite unexpectedly. Also why im so curious how the gobnugget will express in flower.

I may be able to imply more useless but interesting info about my biggs (accidental female pollen donor) learning from them. I didn't want to clone propagate an s1 clone from a cut that was likely originally a female s1 itself (that gelato cut, which was also painfully slow even in dwc). It was hormone interrupted and i made a fem f1 cross with a bubba kush clone cut sourced from a private grower that a generation later resulted in the beans i call biggs. It was tried first the other way around, but the gelato cut wouldn't make viable seed with the bubba female pollen. They wouldn't fully ripen, stayed hollow.


Sorry mods, i edited in more information and now it's awaiting approval again

Im very open to conversations about the genetics i have as well fwiw. Public or private. Trades too if im allowed to say that

Sorry mods, ill stop editing, i just dont wanna keep bumping the thread.... Baked and havent been a forum crawler in a decade or more and work from home now too. I needed somewhere to ramble about this socially, im way out in the sticks now.

So after receiving pics of my old roommates Peaceblasters that are a few weeks, 5 or 6 prob, ahead of mine (in dwc, about 2 days into 12/12. not like 5 or 6 weeks in soil. four 5 gal DWC in 5x5), im feeling a bit of disappointment.

They were likely mislabeled somewhere along the lines. It's a first gen cross, but they all seem to be displaying indica dominance to their growth habits. They're going to be solid genetics or i wouldn't have kept them, but IDK what they are, not so sure they are the peaceblaster f1. If they arent PB Ill prob have better guesses as they get bigger but ill never really know. The peacblaster does have indica in it's lineage and its afghani too. its a first gen cross, But the few ive run before have all expressed heavy sativa dominance to their growth style, Even the fast pheno. (that pheno did display abundant hybrid vigor though.)

Those 3 sprouts could be anything from high-yield mid-grade commercial hybrids, to connoisseur grade legends, or just about anything in between really. may have a male or two in those 3 as well. Most beans were all just dropped in pill-pouch style ziplocks and kept in a plastic container in the fridge crisper.

There is a chance my roommate just remains a total space cadet and planted the wrong beans though. Mine are too early to tell much of anything for sure outside the new sativas are inbred to hell and back, and that the biggs are definitely labeled properly. He does have 4 females, but i also had fem ziplocks with worn off labels in there too.

Well at least im growing again, and we're trying to figure out which beans are the peaceblasters if these aren't, but thats prob a fool's errand with the unlabeled beans i left behind in that fridge. I def cant run those plants indoors until i get a larger setup in place anyway. Man, this is a potentially very sad thing for me... I've spent the last several years thinking about hunting those very beans and running them outdoors.

More genetic origin rambling...

The pb cross is an F1 with hybrid vigor phenos (or at least the genepools are far enough removed for hybrid vigor to present itself) that test well, can finish fast with high yield (obviously pheno dependent), and has landrace + some of my all time favorite genepools in her heritage and without the worry of males to boot. The phenos ive run had practically zero risk of late flower stress stamen as well. Never saw one. Nor a single unexpected bean. First run on the vigor pheno i kept i practically murdered the thing by week 6 of flower and pulled by week 7. no stamen. That one (another clone obviously) even went through a 4 day dark period halfway through flower during a family emergency (Just a single desk lamp cfl on a timer on GFI to play it safe) And didn't really seem to mind. But neither did her momma or landrace used to make her. The biggs during that event..... Lol, well that's how gobnugget came to be after she had her way with peaceblaster's mother while my back was turned... Hoping the gobnugget take after her mom's lineage's unwillingness to produce late flower stamen and not her pollen donor's willingness. Biggs always produces a stamen or two late flower, even on near perfect runs, but she went ham that cycle. The pollen donor for her cross is a suspected s1/2 though anyway.


Moral of the story is organization, and proper labeling procedure is VERY important for future you. Don't be like me, this isn't the first time i bit my own ass with labeling procedure. I have a nausea inducing story about loosing some '91 chem dawg x afghani land race beans because of my lazy organization, and that very thing (lazy organization) is why i didn't get a long so well in the commercial growing world. far as we can tell though, all the other labels i have are more likely correct then incorrect. Everything within expectations, even the inbred mutations in the old deadhead's beans Im def not trying to market a product or anything anyway, though im open to some trading. I just like to ramble on about sh*t.