Thinking about going bubbleponics? This should convince you...

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MostlyCrazy said:
Feeder tubes are removed as soon as the plant has established itself well into the res water. It's about the start and not the finish. By establishing a stronger, thicker plant you increase it's ability to process nutes the entire grow.
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I think we are all in favor of stronger, thicker plants. But I have yet to see a sound explanation of how the feeder tubes (which are essentially a drip from beneath) accomplish anything beyond what any of the many DWC variations accomplish. Drip, high bubble action, feeder tubes, flood and drain - all accomplish exactly the same thing if done correctly. None of them can fairly be called inferior at that one simple task - keeping the cube and descending roots at just right wetness until roots are in the water. Likewise, none of them can be called superior either. I make my choice on simplicity and ease of use only.
 
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I think we are all in favor of stronger, thicker plants. But I have yet to see a sound explanation of how the feeder tubes (which are essentially a drip from beneath) accomplish anything beyond what any of the many DWC variations accomplish. Drip, high bubble action, feeder tubes, flood and drain - all accomplish exactly the same thing if done correctly. None of them can fairly be called inferior at that one simple task - keeping the cube and descending roots at just right wetness until roots are in the water. Likewise, none of them can be called superior either. I make my choice on simplicity and ease of use only.
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I see you still the only one saying that not using the feeder tubes is inferior or superior.If done correctly youll get the same results! I just like having an auto feeder dor my plants and can drain easily using the pump.NOT DEBATEABLE!
 
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purpdaddy said:
I see you still the only one saying that not using the feeder tubes is inferior or superior.If done correctly youll get the same results! I just like having an auto feeder dor my plants and can drain easily using the pump.NOT DEBATEABLE!
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Right on! That nails it. It is indeed not a matter of inferior or superior, it is a matter of personal preference. And personal preference is not debatable. If you use any of the methods and do it right you'll get the same result as anyone else using their method correctly.

It's when methods and systems are "not" done correctly that differences appear. Sadly, most newbies are given the idea that it is the system or this or that gadget that will make the difference, when it's really "them" and how well they learn from their mistakes.
 
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It is called a starter system for a reason. As a new grower, it is tough to judge the proper wetness of the cube. If the feeder tube is placed as directed ( the system comes with instructions) it becomes automatically watered with oxygenated and properly nuted water continuously thereby increasing growth rate and/or assuring a good growing environment.
 
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MostlyCrazy said:
It is called a starter system for a reason. As a new grower, it is tough to judge the proper wetness of the cube. If the feeder tube is placed as directed ( the system comes with instructions) it becomes automatically watered with oxygenated and properly nuted water continuously thereby increasing growth rate and/or assuring a good growing environment.
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Correct wetness "is" something that has to be learned from experience. I would question whether feeder tubes automatically get them to the correct wetness. I had mine on six cubes and had six different degrees of wetness. By the way, how does one make adjustments to the amount of water the feeder tubes deliver?
 
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Current design has adjustements on each port. You want a trickle and not a flow. The roots follow the constant trickle to the res water waiting below.
 
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MostlyCrazy said:
Current design has adjustements on each port. You want a trickle and not a flow. The roots follow the constant trickle to the res water waiting below.
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Roots do like heading for the water, we can agree on that.
 
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And building them a stable constant highway to get there is an improvement of the dwc design. Once in the res it's completely comparable if not identical.
 
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MostlyCrazy said:
And building them a stable constant highway to get there is an improvement of the dwc design. Once in the res it's completely comparable if not identical.
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Oops, wrong. I don't think you can support with any evidence that having water drip down around new roots makes them reach for the water below any faster. I could just as easily argue that the bubbles from below provide an equal "highway," maybe even better since they are "heavily oxygenated." In fact, the airspace that roots are in with a high level bubble setup is more like aeroponics making the difference one between a drip front-end (albeit from below) and an aeroponic-like front-end.

But both arguments (yours which I assume is serious) and mine (which is tongue-in-cheek) are baseless and really sound more like the kind of product advertising that has been around since before any of us was born - take a simple product that has been around for years, and claim that it is new and improved because of the new scrubbing bubbles or whatever. Nope, I agree with purpdaddy - use whichever system you want and if you do everything else right you'll get the same results.
 
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That is true but I factor in the ease of use of the bp system. Ever try to explain exact water levels or E&F timing cycles to a new grower? LOL! Ron Popeil made a lot of money with "set it and forget it". Helps overcome some of the tech aspects for a new grower. Oh by the way my bp system plants were planted 8 days after my e&f set-up and they are alleast 50% bigger after 3 weeks. Could be my experience with the BP system but I do feel like a new grower with the E&F.
 
tilemaster

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jesus illegal why dont u just shut up about the feeder system and just run 1 try with it, stubborn arent we.
 
purpdaddy

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MostlyCrazy said:
And building them a stable constant highway to get there is an improvement of the dwc design. Once in the res it's completely comparable if not identical.
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I beleive the trickle is necessary fo them to find the water source quicker..but thats my PERSONAL PREFERENCE!:leaf:
 
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tilemaster said:
jesus illegal why dont u just shut up about the feeder system and just run 1 try with it, stubborn arent we.
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I have which I mentioned several posts ago. I found then cumbersome, unreliable and I didn't like all the junk in the res. I took them out, tried another way and have never looked back. I'll take the shut up thing under advisement but don't hold your breath.
 
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purpdaddy said:
I beleive the trickle is necessary fo them to find the water source quicker..but thats my PERSONAL PREFERENCE!:leaf:
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I'm actually NOT trying to argue with you here - but if the goal is to find the water level faster, why not just raise the water level? I try to get the water level as low as I can and still achieve desired wetness because I think a deeper airspace is preferable "if" it is full of mist which means lots of bubbles. I don't know if there is any basis for that either, it just rings true with me so it is my preference.

We've all heard of the rat race, I guess this is the root race. :wink:
 
RPsmoke420

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Right on! That nails it. It is indeed not a matter of inferior or superior, it is a matter of personal preference. And personal preference is not debatable. If you use any of the methods and do it right you'll get the same result as anyone else using their method correctly.

It's when methods and systems are "not" done correctly that differences appear. Sadly, most newbies are given the idea that it is the system or this or that gadget that will make the difference, when it's really "them" and how well they learn from their mistakes.
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THANK YOU. I agree

But if you truly feel this way, then whats with the sig line saying to lose the tubes ? Implying the feeder tubes cause issues ? If you truly feel that it is not about inferior/superior then why say one is inferior ? Why advise people against it ? Why tell people that using feeder tubes is only chasing after more problems ? Why not just tell them it is 6 of one, half a dozen of the other ? Why not tell them the pros and cons of each system, and tell them it is personal choice ?
 
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Lt Shiny Sides said:
Great point RP. IS if you really believe what you say about it being personal preference then why are you clearly saying the feeder tubes are inferior?
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I have never said they were inferior. My admonition to lose the tubes is my preference. I "have" said they are cumbersome and unreliable and create heat and a mess of stuff in the res which is unnecessary. If the identical same result can be attained by another method (and there seems to be consensus that it can), and that method is simpler I'll go with that. Also if the goal of the forum is to help growers, then it seems to me that includes letting them know there are other methods that will produce the same results so they can decide for themselves. Perhaps they will decide that performance being equal, there is still something about the feeder tubes that they like and prefer. More power to them!
 
FryingPanFlyer

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RPsmoke420 said:
THANK YOU. I agree

But if you truly feel this way, then whats with the sig line saying to lose the tubes ? Implying the feeder tubes cause issues ? If you truly feel that it is not about inferior/superior then why say one is inferior ? Why advise people against it ? Why tell people that using feeder tubes is only chasing after more problems ? Why not just tell them it is 6 of one, half a dozen of the other ? Why not tell them the pros and cons of each system, and tell them it is personal choice ?
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Which is why I'm avoiding putting any logo in my signature line.

I've learned a boatload of stuff about bubbleponics here in these forums and really appreciate all the great help I've received. I ran into this forum rather serendipitously, I found the kit online then, I found the forum and these guys told me how to use it. I've achieved incredible results my first time out with this method and see no reason to try another, but some day I will if someone can prove to me there's a better way to start.

But I have seen a pretty high level of competition some not so friendly, between those espousing different growing methods. Hey, most of the time, I have my opinion and you have yours. Why are people so worried about having other people think they are doing it the best way? Why are people so competitive when it comes to how you grow pot?

I'm sure there are plenty people out there that can come up with their personal reason for wanting to feel better, but as for me I'll be happy just being better than I was yesterday, and hopefully tomorrow I'll be better than I am today. But I'll leave that for tomorrow, I'm happy with today and that's all I need.

:peace:
 
FryingPanFlyer

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FryingPanFlyer said:
Which is why I'm avoiding putting any logo in my signature line.

I've learned a boatload of stuff about bubbleponics here in these forums and really appreciate all the great help I've received. I ran into this forum rather serendipitously, I found the kit online then, I found the forum and these guys told me how to use it. I've achieved incredible results my first time out with this method and see no reason to try another, but some day I will if someone can prove to me there's a better way to start.

But I have seen a pretty high level of competition some not so friendly, between those espousing different growing methods. Hey, most of the time, I have my opinion and you have yours. Why are people so worried about having other people think they are doing it the best way? Why are people so competitive when it comes to how you grow pot?

I'm sure there are plenty people out there that can come up with their personal reason for wanting to feel better, but as for me I'll be happy just being better than I was yesterday, and hopefully tomorrow I'll be better than I am today. But I'll leave that for tomorrow, I'm happy with today and that's all I need.

:peace:
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Here, check out this line from the DWC club, totally uncool.

Which brings me to the second rule. DWC = Deep Water Culture. Point being. Our plants roots live and grow submerged in water. There are no other needs for any extra attachements and gadgets such as aero and drip. Every true secret DWC grower knows they can manipulate these systems to mimmick all the styles inside there reservoirs. Which brings me to the second rule of DWC club.
Drip rarely only tastes good when its leaving the sinus cavity.
Rarely does it do any good in our systems.There are other threads dedicated to this. Find one. U may share ur grows with the DWC growers but not become a member. U will be left on the porch like the fat dude with the tig bitties.
I can only think of 2 rules right now. BWAHAHA lmao.

Without futher adue. DWC GROW CLUB!

Well, that doesn't sound very friendly to me.

:peace:
 
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Soil vs Hydro

HID vs CFLs

Organic vs Chemical

Indoor vs Outdoor

Feeder Tubes vs Plain Old DWC

Ford vs Chevy

Liberal vs Conservative

Republican vs Democrat

Who you going to change? Who is right? Who wants to argue with a hard head or anyone dead set or with a mind set that will not move?


 
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