The War on Christmas

Heisenberg

Well-Known Member
Saying 'happy holidays' is not an attempt to remove Christ from Christmas It's an acknowledgment that the person whom you are wishing well may not be a christian. It is a means to convey your good will to others without being presumptuous. Imagine the sort of attitude it takes for a person to hear a declaration of thoughtful reverence and be offended that it didn't acknowledge their personal faith. Even more so, to not just find it personally offensive, but to see it as an attack. What harm could possibly come from someone else not specifically naming your holiday in their salutations? How is it possible to take this stance unless you feel everyone should be sharing in the same faith as you? It's fine to believe your faith is the best and be happy when others take part, but what entitles anyone to be offended when it doesn't happen?

Meanwhile Christmas music is played on the radio as much as ever, I haven't noticed Santa having any less presence in the stores or on TV, and Christmas officially started before Thanksgiving was even over this year. So not only is Christmas thriving, it's taking over other holidays. If there is indeed a war going on, Christmas seems to be winning.
 

Zaehet Strife

Well-Known Member
That's why i say happy winter solstice! =D

Most religious people have no idea what that is, so you'll just leave them confused instead of offended. Lol!
 

racerboy71

bud bootlegger
exactly what holiday are you saying have a nice holiday for if it's not for christmas?? as far as i know of, there is only one holiday that comes every year on december 25th, and that would be christmas..
and of course saying happy holidays is trying to take the christ out of christmas, how can it be anything but??

i'm no christian, nor do i believe in god, but i celebrate christmas, and i wish people around the 25th of december a merry christmas.. not happy holidays..
it's like all of these nut jobs trying to take away halloween saying it's the devils day.. it's a pc joke at it's finest imvho..
 

Heisenberg

Well-Known Member
exactly what holiday are you saying have a nice holiday for if it's not for christmas?? as far as i know of, there is only one holiday that comes every year on december 25th, and that would be christmas..
and of course saying happy holidays is trying to take the christ out of christmas, how can it be anything but??

i'm no christian, nor do i believe in god, but i celebrate christmas, and i wish people around the 25th of december a merry christmas.. not happy holidays..
it's like all of these nut jobs trying to take away halloween saying it's the devils day.. it's a pc joke at it's finest imvho..
You are making the assumption that the person being spoken to is Christian. If you are not aware of any other religious observance in December then I don't see how you could claim to have an informed opinion. Even atheists are given time off work which is every bit a holiday as anything else. So everyone gets a holiday near the end of December and the world happens to be a place with diverse beliefs. My local college is attended by people with many different cultures and backgrounds. There is nothing wrong with wanting to express my thoughtfulness to them without presuming they are Christian. Wishing someone well is the most positive sentiment you can express. It takes an odd sort of logic and a skewed view of the world to insist that it is an attack.
 

racerboy71

bud bootlegger
yeah, jewish i'm not even going to attempt to hack that word up in an attempt at spelling it, is a few weeks before xmas and is well over and done with before christmas really gets into full swing..
and kwanza is about the only other holiday i'm aware of around the same time, and i'd rather not even comment on that one..

so yah, we're left with christmas...
 

racerboy71

bud bootlegger
and as far as wishing someone well, i'm with you there, but why not just say, hey, have a nice day m8?? why the need to throw in any holiday at all if you're gonna take it there?? i mean, hey, you can't wish them a merry christmas, why not just say have a good day m8, see you on the flip side??

it's getting so bad in this world we can't even call a spade a spade in this day in age.. no, it's no longer a spade, it's a flat shovel.. really, is this what we've come to??
 

Heisenberg

Well-Known Member
yeah, jewish i'm not even going to attempt to hack that word up in an attempt at spelling it, is a few weeks before xmas and is well over and done with before christmas really gets into full swing..
and kwanza is about the only other holiday i'm aware of around the same time, and i'd rather not even comment on that one..

so yah, we're left with christmas...
I see, I didn't realize your argument against people dismissing Christmas depended on you dismissing other observances. Still, New years is also a holiday, and one that most of the workforce and students get off. It's very common to refer to time off work or study as a holiday.

It seems strange to be so defensive about a compliment. Someone is wishing you well and your response is that they didn't do it a particular way and so they are assaulting your faith? (using these terms for the sake of argument, I realize it is not your faith) It goes from an expression of love to the polar opposite, an attack? IMO this is another strike against seeing faith as a virtue, it can lead to absurd indignation. It can distort the love we feel for our fellow humans into a twisted world of us-vs-them.

Insisting that it's war when someone doesn't mention Christmas while expressing their concern for you is just another way of saying 'if you're not with us you're against us'.

and as far as wishing someone well, i'm with you there, but why not just say, hey, have a nice day m8?? why the need to throw in any holiday at all if you're gonna take it there?? i mean, hey, you can't wish them a merry christmas, why not just say have a good day m8, see you on the flip side??

it's getting so bad in this world we can't even call a spade a spade in this day in age.. no, it's no longer a spade, it's a flat shovel.. really, is this what we've come to??
Well I have no problem with asking the question. Why acknowledge the holidays without acknowledging Christmas? It's a fine question to ask; the problem I have is with assuming the only answer is that there is a war on Christmas. This is a position that comes from an ideology which can not be supported with any clear rationale. It requires the offended party make assumptions beyond their knowledge and beyond reasonable evidence. There are many reason why someone might say happy holidays including simply being courteous and inclusive.

Now, if the question is asked and someone answers that they hate Christmas and seek to limit it's influence by not acknowledging it, can we even then call it an attack? Isn't it simply a personal choice of protest? Is the idea of boycotting Christmas, abstaining from it, enough to declare war? Is the Christian faith such that it requires everyone to partake in their celebrations or else face conflict?

All I ever see are Christians insisting that people say MC instead of HH. What I rarely see is someone being told MC and getting pissed because they weren't told HH. Christmas has as much influence as ever with more people celebrating than ever before. There is no law, no rules, no groups which seek to limit Christians expressions or celebrations, in fact we have laws that guarantee those rights. The war on Christmas is a made up issue to begin with and one that is parroted because faith-based beliefs don't hold many cards aside from hurt and guilt.
 

dashcues

Well-Known Member
I may be misunderstanding the issue.I honestly see them both the same.
Maybe we should just be thankful of the thought that someone would wish us "merriment" or "happiness", without invoking any religious affiliation.
Touchy world we're living in.
Should I say "Happy Monday"?Or would that offend non-pagans? If I say "good day",does that offend pagans?
 

cannabineer

Ursus marijanus
I may be misunderstanding the issue.I honestly see them both the same.
Maybe we should just be thankful of the thought that someone would wish us "merriment" or "happiness", without invoking any religious affiliation.
Touchy world we're living in.
Should I say "Happy Monday"?Or would that offend non-pagans? If I say "good day",does that offend pagans?
When you say Pagans, do you mean adherents of the Celtic Old religion, or do you mean non-Christians generally? cn
 

dashcues

Well-Known Member
When you say Pagans, do you mean adherents of the Celtic Old religion, or do you mean non-Christians generally? cn
Hmm...I would say,any of the old religions that involve a form a worship of any gods,other than the Abrahamic God.
I may not have used the correct definition.

P.S.--Had to look it up,and of course,I'm wrong.But I don't completely agree with Merriam Webster's definition.I don't think of non-belief as paganism.
 

ThE sAtIvA hIgH

Well-Known Member
i dont care if i offend someone for calling this time of year something that dosent sit with there belief . plenty of things 'offend' me all year round , you know what i fucking hate this new 'offended' thing we have going on in the last 10 years , every fucker and his dog gets offended these days and when someone hears the word 'offended' they gasp and look shocked ' oh no im so offended , i must be compensated immediately' 'my poor feelings have been hurt and you need to go to jail' . fuck off and stop getting so offended people its pathetic , or shall we become a silent race of people , just so we dont say something that might upset someone else ?
 

Padawanbater2

Well-Known Member
Bunch of pussies is all.

Someone who actually gets upset someone else calls the season something else is F U C K I N G R E T A R D E D
 
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