The Official Canna Coco & Nutrients Thread

AzCannaMan

AzCannaMan

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micadesgns said:
azcannaman, where can i get budxl?? has it worked for you???
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I like it a lot and will keep using it. House & Garden makes it. Either find a local H&G distributor or order it online. That's the only H&G product I endorse other than Roots Excel - which I wont use because of A) Very High Cost & B) Canna's equivalent is Rhizo and I fucking LOVE the Rhizo. So since i'm satisfied with it i wont be switching. But the Roots Excel is supposed to be "the best rooting compound on the market"

BTW I dont use the BudXL to make my buds "Extra Large" as you might think... I use it in conjunction with the sweetner for a reason. Read up on the BudXL and see how it works and it will probably dawn upon you...
 
micadesgns

micadesgns

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Thanks for info. first time Coco grower. Transplanted from solo cups to big pots 2 weeks ago. i think plants have tripled in size. Useing whole canna coco nute line......

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First in pots.

1.5 weeks.jpgNow. I think the Coco made a big difference. airpots as well...
 
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finstoner

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Finally regged, been lurking too long :) These plants are about 7-8 weeks old. First couple of weeks they were in soil growing really slow with tips and sides of older leaves browning and leaf tips curling up. I repotted them to BioNova coco with hydroton. After having same kind of trouble a couple of weeks I bought CannaCoco Professional+ with CannaCoco A+B nutes. Repotted them about a week ago to 3 liter pots with coco only (about 3 cm perlite at the bottom) They had really small rootsystem considering their age. I've been feeding them with 10ml/10L A+B ec 0,8 ph 5.4-5.8 once a day with runoff. Tought it was better to let them dry a bit and i've been giving them nothing since sunday morning. They are looking a little better, stems are thickening and new growth is looking healthy, but it seems that when those new leaves get a little bigger tips start browning again. Looks like potassium def to me, dunno. My tapwater is soft, about 0,17 ec. They are under 250w hps, temps from 25 to 28 celsius, humidity 50 to 60% with good ventilation. Any suggestions...


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BBB1974

BBB1974

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Well, a few things....

For their size, I think think that's too much base for your nutes. I think you should be using 7-8ml per gal of A+B. I'm sure you're getting nute burn right now. Also pick up some CalMag, you need it with your water being that soft. My tap water is 0.3 EC and I ended up having to use it. Are you using any other Canna product? You could probably use some Rhizo to strengthen your root system.....it's great stuff! Also, make sure your PH is 5.8.....5.4 is too low IMO and you may run into lockout issues.
 
AzCannaMan

AzCannaMan

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finstoner said:
Finally regged, been lurking too long :) These plants are about 7-8 weeks old. First couple of weeks they were in soil growing really slow with tips and sides of older leaves browning and leaf tips curling up. I repotted them to BioNova coco with hydroton. After having same kind of trouble a couple of weeks I bought CannaCoco Professional+ with CannaCoco A+B nutes. Repotted them about a week ago to 3 liter pots with coco only (about 3 cm perlite at the bottom) They had really small rootsystem considering their age. I've been feeding them with 10ml/10L A+B ec 0,8 ph 5.4-5.8 once a day with runoff. Tought it was better to let them dry a bit and i've been giving them nothing since sunday morning. They are looking a little better, stems are thickening and new growth is looking healthy, but it seems that when those new leaves get a little bigger tips start browning again. Looks like potassium def to me, dunno. My tapwater is soft, about 0,17 ec. They are under 250w hps, temps from 25 to 28 celsius, humidity 50 to 60% with good ventilation. Any suggestions...


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Rhizo - 8 -16ml a gallon for how small those are - USE IT
Cut A&B back to 6 or 7ml a gallon and work your way back up as they get bigger.
DO NOT FEED AT < 5.8PH!!!! 5.8 TO 5.99 ANYTHING ELSE IS NOT REASONABLE FOR WHAT YOUR DOING

GOOD LUCK! bongsmilie

PS... everything B said above is right on, cal mg will be good to add too...
 
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finstoner

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AzCannaMan said:
Rhizo - 8 -16ml a gallon for how small those are - USE IT
Cut A&B back to 6 or 7ml a gallon and work your way back up as they get bigger.
DO NOT FEED AT < 5.8PH!!!! 5.8 TO 5.99 ANYTHING ELSE IS NOT REASONABLE FOR WHAT YOUR DOING

GOOD LUCK! bongsmilie

PS... everything B said above is right on, cal mg will be good to add too...
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Thank you for your answers :) So, i checked, a us gallon of water equals about 3.8 liters. If i measure A+B 10ml each per 10 LITERS, it's 3,8ml A+B each in a GALLON. If I measure 6ml of A+B each per GALLON, it equals 15.6ml/10 LITERS, of each A+B. So i'd be adding more nutes? Or did you mean 6-7 ml of A+B together (3-3.5ml each)? I'm a bit confused here. Also Canna feedind chart for soft water (0.2ec) and light feedind suggests giving 15-20ml/10 LITERS for seedlings and clones, which seems a bit high to me though, that's why i lowered the dosage to 10ml/10 Liters. I'm not using any other Canna product than A+B. I'll try to get cal/mg and Rhizo as soon as possible. I'll correct the ph also. Do you guys think i overwatered since they are in a 3 Liter pots with straight coco. They are looking a little better after 3 days dry season :) Slow growth though.
Ps. Just feeded a plant on those pics (tallest one) with ec 0.84 ph 5.7 runoff (40%) was ec 0.86 ph 6.11 Is that ok? I have some Epsom salt. Should I add that and how much?
 
BBB1974

BBB1974

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Sorry I mis read your amounts....It's gotta be a PH problem then as 5.4 is too low. But highly recommend using the Rhizo, it will save you plants ;)
 
AzCannaMan

AzCannaMan

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finstoner said:
Thank you for your answers :) So, i checked, a us gallon of water equals about 3.8 liters. If i measure A+B 10ml each per 10 LITERS, it's 3,8ml A+B each in a GALLON. If I measure 6ml of A+B each per GALLON, it equals 15.6ml/10 LITERS, of each A+B. So i'd be adding more nutes? Or did you mean 6-7 ml of A+B together (3-3.5ml each)? I'm a bit confused here. Also Canna feedind chart for soft water (0.2ec) and light feedind suggests giving 15-20ml/10 LITERS for seedlings and clones, which seems a bit high to me though, that's why i lowered the dosage to 10ml/10 Liters. I'm not using any other Canna product than A+B. I'll try to get cal/mg and Rhizo as soon as possible. I'll correct the ph also. Do you guys think i overwatered since they are in a 3 Liter pots with straight coco. They are looking a little better after 3 days dry season :) Slow growth though.
Ps. Just feeded a plant on those pics (tallest one) with ec 0.84 ph 5.7 runoff (40%) was ec 0.86 ph 6.11 Is that ok? I have some Epsom salt. Should I add that and how much?
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10L is 2.5 Gallons. So it would be like 7ml of Coco A * 2.5 = 17.5ml per 10 L of water. The Measurement is each so in that example if I were you I'd add 17.5Ml Coco A, 17.5ml Coco B, 40ml Rhizotonic, Etc...

Dont ever measure the runoff it's pointless and tells you nothing.
 
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finstoner

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Thank you :) I guess I've been too cautious with the nutes. I added 1/2tps of epsom to 10 liters, witch raised ec to 0.37 (tap water ec 0.16). I don't have any Ca, so I 'll just have to go with what I got for now. I'll add the nutes like u said, ph to 5.8-6 and wait to see if there is any improvement. Got some new seedlings (SilverHaze, Passion#1, Blueberry and WhiteWidow) coming up in small cups. Popped up yesterday, in straight coco. They are doing fine, no nutes yet. I'll try to make it right this time. I won't be adding nutes until first set of true leaves and repot after roots fill the cups. I think I'm gonna be fine after I learn how to do it right.
 
Samwell Seed Well

Samwell Seed Well

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Grown with canna A B Cannazyme Boost and some other friends





this bud has a lemon black licorice smell to it very heady taken early so a little racy as well as narcotic . . tbh i haven't smoked much of it. .been sick and fabs medibles have been keeping me going



 
micadesgns

micadesgns

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Ok, got another question. I'm useing full canna line Coco A & B, Rhizo, canazym, boost and pk 13/14 (in week 5 only) I plan to add the sweet and the Bud-XL after the pk 13/14 week, Do i stop useing any of the other nutes?? I know pk 13/14 1 week only.
 
AzCannaMan

AzCannaMan

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After the PK you basically just swap for the BudXL. Then on the last 5 to 7 days only run the Budswel, Sweet, and Zym. If you dont have the Budswel (Get it, it's cheap) still use 3 or 4 ml each of A & B per Gal during that time instead

About the last 5 to 7 days max is plenty in Coco, they drink less at the end so it'll probably be 2 or 3 waterings depending on your setup
 
BBB1974

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When do you cut the Calmg? With the nutes or run until the end? I'm guessing with the nutes, but not 100% sure.
 
BBB1974

BBB1974

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micadesgns said:
Ok, got another question. I'm useing full canna line Coco A & B, Rhizo, canazym, boost and pk 13/14 (in week 5 only) I plan to add the sweet and the Bud-XL after the pk 13/14 week, Do i stop useing any of the other nutes?? I know pk 13/14 1 week only.
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What AZ said ;) But since you're in week 5 now you can start using the sweet (about 15ml/gal). You don't have to wait until BudXL time.
 
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