Root Clone Test - pictures

Jester88

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lmfao

damn your replies are hard to read at times bro lol. :eyesmoke:

1st purple writing: yeah i thought that to. i was just thinking that if you wanted to go do something that would leave your plants wanting water a simple drip setup thats gravity fed may be your answer... for short periods that is

2nd purple writing: sorry i thought you said you had trouble keeping the coco moist at times is all.

3rd purple writing: i didnt mean water through them i just meant that even if you saturate the soil air should be easily available for the roots and what not. meanin saturation will be less of a problem for noobs.

what i meant on the last one was once the plant has a decent root system you could possibly just saturate the soil and let it dry with relatively no problems as air is always easily accessing the soil. AKA you shouldnt be able to overwater older plants ;-).

sorry this isnt that great of an explanation i had a mate rock up.. hope it clarifies a bit though
 

Don Gin and Ton

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rockin up sheesh i thought youd left that all behind ;) jks jks sorry couldnt resist

thats kool man i just didnt quite get what ya meant! thats rpetty much how the airpot works
 

pterzw

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Why keep it in the dark. Wouldn't roots be more likely to produce sprouts if they can sense light and possibility for photosynthesis?
 

Hobbes

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"Why keep it in the dark. Wouldn't roots be more likely to produce sprouts if they can sense light and possibility for photosynthesis?"



petrzw light and low humidity will kill any part of the root in that area. Roots grow in the dark - also means that they grow mostly when the plant isn't focusing on photosynthesis.

Opening the sides of a pot or bucket to the light and air (low humidity) is a way to air prune the roots to stop circling, produce thicker roots and branching.

https://www.rollitup.org/grow-room-design-setup/303229-diy-air-pruning-pot-experiment.html

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bongsmilie
 

pterzw

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Hi Hobbes

low humidity will of course kill roots , but light itself is harmless. My mother plants grow in white,transparent cups...some roots are green ,but my mothers are doing just fine.
Is it essential to grow roots for clones in darkness? Why do you think so? Did you compare "light and darkness" roots?
I will try your method in 2 months. Sounds interesting.
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"Why keep it in the dark. Wouldn't roots be more likely to produce sprouts if they can sense light and possibility for photosynthesis?"



petrzw light and low humidity will kill any part of the root in that area. Roots grow in the dark - also means that they grow mostly when the plant isn't focusing on photosynthesis.

Opening the sides of a pot or bucket to the light and air (low humidity) is a way to air prune the roots to stop circling, produce thicker roots and branching.

https://www.rollitup.org/grow-room-design-setup/303229-diy-air-pruning-pot-experiment.html

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bongsmilie
 

Hobbes

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You are correct and I am wrong pterzw, but it still seems that light will cause algae growth in a high humidity environment like inside a sealed clear container or zip lock bag (great way to contain roots while budding, we could throw a dozen large ziplock bags in a bucket and clone a dozen strains in a small place. I hadn't thought of this before, something good can come from being wrong.

Thanks for the education pterzw, I appreciate the knowledge.

"A plant can function quite well with its roots exposed to light as long as they do not dry out. However, the light encourages alga growth, which causes odors, and the alga competes with the plant for nutrients in the light period and oxygen in the dark period."

http://www.hydroempire.com/store/hydroponic-plant-parts.php

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bongsmilie
 

Hobbes

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The Roots

The magic chemistry of plant growth starts at the roots. Roots send nutrients (in exchange for sugar) up through leaf stems to the leaves for final processing. They are also large storage sites for excess energy from the leaves, which is stored as starch. The roots and their capacity to store starch will decide how well a plant will grow and how much the plant will yield.

Root size: A research Rye plant in a 12-inch pot had 14 billion root hairs that, if placed end to end, would have stretched 6,200 miles (almost 10,000 kilometres). The root hairs alone would have covered a square area of 180 ft by 180 ft (about 55 m by 55 m)! The more extensive the root system, the better the plant will grow. This is because roots storing much energy are able to exchange lots of nutrients up to the leaves, and so the leaves can send down more sugar, etc. Thus, root growth is directly affected by moisture, oxygen, temperature, and sugars sent down from the leaves.

Root medium is important for plant growth. The less energy the roots use to absorb water and nutrients from their surrounding medium, the more they can use that energy to grow and to help send nutrients up to the plant. Most of a plant's water is taken in by the root hairs. 99% of the water taken in by a plant is transpired out through the leaves. A plant will fall over and wilt as a result of its roots not being able to extract any more water from the surroundings. (See Mediums for Growing)

Air roots: in a plant's natural life in the earth, its roots get moisture from rainfall. After rain, the soil water soon sinks down and the topsoil dries quickly. For this reason, the top 1/3 of plant roots are air specialized and the bottom 1/3 are water roots. One must be careful not to keep the air specialized roots constantly wet or the plant will drown. The bottom section of roots can be constantly wet provided that the water has oxygen in it. Stagnant water will soon kill the plant. The roots should always look crisp and white. If the roots develop brown tips or general browning, the problem is usually lack of oxygen, and infection will soon follow.

A plant can function quite well with its roots exposed to light as long as they do not dry out. However, the light encourages alga growth, which causes odors, and the alga competes with the plant for nutrients in the light period and oxygen in the dark period.

Oxygen is the most important root requirement because the roots need oxygen to convert sugar to energy. The more oxygen available to the roots, the more energy they can transfer to the plant.

Temperature also affects root growth and function. The roots do a great deal of their storage developing at night when the green sections of the plant are not being pressured by the light to produce and distribute the day's excess sugar to the roots. Roots function more efficiently when they are warm, so roots in warm dark period develop better structures than those grown in cool dark period. As an illustration, a cycle of warm dark 77°F (25°C) and day 59°F (15°C) would develop better roots than a cycle of cool dark 59°F (15°C) and day 77°F (25°C). In essence, plants will grow better with a high average 24-hour root temperature that is constant rather than fluctuating.

Roots: the root hair zone is relatively small and starts just behind the growing root cap. This zone advances with the growing roots and as the new hairs near the tip emerge, the older hairs die I off. Here is where most water and nutrients are absorbed. So for fast growth, plant roots must not be allowed to become rootbound but be kept healthy and advancing at maximum throughout the entire life of the plant. When growing in pots that are too small, it is better to have the roots trim themselves by coating the inside of pots with a special copper paint rather than letting the roots circle and girdle themselves. In general, pots are not oxygen efficient for super plant growth. Remember that plant yield is proportional to root size.

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The Stems


The stems serve as supply pipes between the roots and the leaves.

Shorter stems are better because the nutrients have less distance to travel between the roots and the leaves. This affects the whole plant since it does not have to lift the water too high, the plant conserves energy - that energy can then be used for extra yield.

http://www.hydroempire.com/store/hyd...lant-parts.php

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bongsmilie
 

pterzw

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Hobbes

I wish you all the best,

You have no idea how many perfectly healthy root balls have I thrown away because I had no idea of "cloning from root".
Lets perfect this method. Thanks for inspiration.
 

Hobbes

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Maybe the root tips are want we want, might act like stem cells. There's so little on the net about root budding we'll have to experiment to know.

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1. Root Tips

The growing tip of roots is protected by a root cap consisting of concentric layers of cells surrounding the apical meristem where new root cells are produced. The surface of the root cap of growing roots is often covered by a thick layer of mucilage (Rougier & Chaboud 1985).

When roots stop growing the root cap may be protected by suberisation of its outermost cells, as is shown below. These metacutinised root tips would generally not be produced by annual species such as crop plants, but are commonly produced by perennial plants such as trees (Romberger 1963, Brundrett & Kendrick 1988.

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bongsmilie
 

Hobbes

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OneEyedWilly these are the fruits of your intellectual labor:

An air pruning bucket with 1 1/2" and 1/4" holes, lined with 5 layers of fiberglass screen - for air pruning as well as possible constriction or trapping.



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And the air pruning bucket in it's OneEyedWilly jacket bucket:



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bongsmilie
 

dtp5150

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yeah so ....not much good news about this technique with cannabis since the first posting

if by now, over a month later, there are still no growths, this technique may be worthless

as a side note I cloned a fan leaf and it grew roots, i transplanted into soil and its now grown a tap root. I have no worries that this will grow into a normal weed plant. its a very slow method and should be for emergencies only. just make sure its a big leaf and has plenty of stem
 

That 5hit

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yeah so ....not much good news about this technique with cannabis since the first posting

if by now, over a month later, there are still no growths, this technique may be worthless

as a side note I cloned a fan leaf and it grew roots, i transplanted into soil and its now grown a tap root. I have no worries that this will grow into a normal weed plant. its a very slow method and should be for emergencies only. just make sure its a big leaf and has plenty of stem
the old leaf clone
this has never been proven with pot
can we see pics

i do think it possible if you can root clone you can leaf clone
prolly way faster then a root clone
 

ONEeyedWILLY444

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OneEyedWilly these are the fruits of your intellectual labor:

An air pruning bucket with 1 1/2" and 1/4" holes, lined with 5 layers of fiberglass screen - for air pruning as well as possible constriction or trapping.



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And the air pruning bucket in it's OneEyedWilly jacket bucket:



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bongsmilie

good stuff hobbes..hope it works well for you:bigjoint:
 
I live in canada, and we have choppped plants at the stalk about 6 inches up usually and thrown them in our compost piles then buring them into the pile and let set over the winter. In the spring them we have found that there is one plant in each of these compost piles! I am not sure if you would consider this as root clonings? But they definetly grow new plants when you leave just a small portion of your main stem and break the root ball up and then bury it for the winter.
These plants then grow with so much viagor and turn into huge plants with tons of bud sites!
I forgot to mention these were hemp plants but a freind of mine practices our same techniques with his mj plants!

Any feedback on what we are doing??
ALso where can you get PROMIX? I heard they went out of buisness as the home depot does not sell it anymore, unless they are not a vendor anymore?
 
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