Religion, or lack of, open discussion/FRIENDLY debate.

bicycle racer

bicycle racer

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yeah i hate how religious people often wont date or marry outside of there religion to me it is no different than racism. this just creates division amongst different faiths and allows the people of the opposing faith to be easily dehumanized.
 
weedguru

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COnstraints forced upon children when they are in a country which adopts religious law as society law as a whole, is one thing...which I generally despise. But when I see people moving to secular countries, then forcing their children to stick to the Old Ways, that the parents themselves were forced to adopt in their motherland, it is more than worthy of contempt, it is worthy of kicking them out of the country or having them sterilized.

A close friend of mine, a white british spaniard, was dating a kenyan muslim lass many years ago...it had to be done in secret. Because the parents would simply not stand for it...yet, they had put her in a mixed school, then a mixed university, in Britain...yes they found out, later down the line, and threatened to exile her, from the family, completely, cutting off not just parental connexions but also bonds to her cousins and sisters, which would never be allowed to become repaired...fucking scum, i said...send them back to where they came from...which may seem racist, and ignorant...but when a girl loves a boy, a decent boy at that, with amazingly superb prospects, in terms of career and finance, one of the most coveted minds in the country, for the intellectual property community...and they still react so draconianally, yes, i think they are scum. and i dont think that they deserve to reside in the UK...i say Fuck off back to kenya...
 
CanadianGrowMan

CanadianGrowMan

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weedguru said:
COnstraints forced upon children when they are in a country which adopts religious law as society law as a whole, is one thing...which I generally despise. But when I see people moving to secular countries, then forcing their children to stick to the Old Ways, that the parents themselves were forced to adopt in their motherland, it is more than worthy of contempt, it is worthy of kicking them out of the country or having them sterilized.

A close friend of mine, a white british spaniard, was dating a kenyan muslim lass many years ago...it had to be done in secret. Because the parents would simply not stand for it...yet, they had put her in a mixed school, then a mixed university, in Britain...yes they found out, later down the line, and threatened to exile her, from the family, completely, cutting off not just parental connexions but also bonds to her cousins and sisters, which would never be allowed to become repaired...fucking scum, i said...send them back to where they came from...which may seem racist, and ignorant...but when a girl loves a boy, a decent boy at that, with amazingly superb prospects, in terms of career and finance, one of the most coveted minds in the country, for the intellectual property community...and they still react so draconianally, yes, i think they are scum. and i dont think that they deserve to reside in the UK...i say Fuck off back to kenya...
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CaptnJack

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FilthyFletch said:
christmass technoly isnt a christian holiday but a pagen holiday that has been transformed and then formed to fit the christan view. It actually has no date importance to christianity but is important to the pageans.I personally think of it as just asomething we as people like and use for our winter break up and is great family fun if kept as just christmass and not pertaing to anything but the humane spirit if giving and family
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That is seriously a fucking stupid statement, its always been a christian holiday to celebrate OUR messiah's birth, tho we have no exact date to go by, we use the 25th, and also the pagans later instilled the St. Nick, then transitions to santa clause,

same with easter, our day of celebrating the day of his rise from death.
pagans tacked the easter bunny to that one too.

maybe you should learn about what you post about.
 
bicycle racer

bicycle racer

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well what is true is that many of the christian traditions and stories are based of egyptian mythology and are not original.
 
shroomer33

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jfgordon1 said:
i have more belief that we came from aliens than a god created us. not even kidding...
the bible is a joke... of all the historians in jesus's day, not one wrote about him. the gospels were written centuries after jesus's supposed death. many religions mirror the bibles text to a T... it's sad people live every moment of their life to this book.
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Where did the aliens come from? Did they evolve? If so, why do you need to believe that aliens created us? Why couldn't we evolve?
 
shroomer33

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jfgordon1 said:
i have more belief that we came from aliens than a god created us. not even kidding...
the bible is a joke... of all the historians in jesus's day, not one wrote about him. the gospels were written centuries after jesus's supposed death. many religions mirror the bibles text to a T... it's sad people live every moment of their life to this book.
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Why would historians of his day write about him? He was a weirdo who was put to death. Doesn't seem too important to write down. And which historians are you talking about anyway?
 
shroomer33

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One of the biggest problems I have with the 'smashing asteroid' theory is that chance and natural selection can't account for the information stored in DNA. As a matter of fact, and this blew me away when I learned about it, natural selection is DESTRUCTIVE to information content in DNA. Classical Darwinism can't explain the origin of the information content (irreducible complexity) in DNA AND now we know that natural selection is harmful to information content. Darwin was a good scientist for his day, but now we know waaaaaayyy more than he ever dreamed of. And we now know he was way off, as far as natural selection being responsible for new kinds of life. At least that is how I see it.
 
MediMary

MediMary

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jfgordon1 said:
i have more belief that we came from aliens than a god created us. not even kidding...
the bible is a joke... of all the historians in jesus's day, not one wrote about him. the gospels were written centuries after jesus's supposed death. many religions mirror the bibles text to a T... it's sad people live every moment of their life to this book.
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I think historically it has been proven a fellow named jesus christ walked the earth... but yah I agree with you on this JF, cause most historians believe mark was written first, and I have heard anywhere from 60-100 years after christs death, also there is much debate if any of jesus disciples actually wrote any of the gospels..
If anyone has read siddartha, I think its a great example of what probably happened, Im sure jesus had some great thoughts and ideas, but 70 years later what was an insight spoken about with friends, was written down and now all of a sudden is a set of rules.

and jesus only gave 2 commandements, Love the lord your god, and love your neighbor as yourself.
I dont think God would send Ghandi to Hell to suffer eternally, but Chester the molester goes with the last minute repentance, and whammy eternal salvation..:dunce::dunce::dunce::dunce:


as bart simpson said
"I think I'll go for the life of sin, followed by the last-minute, presto-change-o, deathbed repentance." bongsmiliebongsmilie

love u guys:peace:
 
CanadianGrowMan

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shroomer33 said:
OK. So a white british spaniard and a kenyan muslim lass go into a bar.....
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shroomer33 said:
Why would historians of his day write about him? He was a weirdo who was put to death. Doesn't seem too important to write down. And which historians are you talking about anyway?
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Seriously dude, are you that thick? I appreciate the story, it's a great example of how religion fucks people over, and is obviously the point for telling it.

And don't go calling jesus a weirdo. that's a dick move dude, I'm not christian but you should still respect him for what he did and the good that he spread. If not for being the "son of god", then just for being a good person.

This is supposed to be a respectful discussion, so be fucking respectful.
 
shroomer33

shroomer33

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CanadianGrowMan said:
Seriously dude, are you that thick? I appreciate the story, it's a great example of how religion fucks people over, and is obviously the point for telling it.

And don't go calling jesus a weirdo. that's a dick move dude, I'm not christian but you should still respect him for what he did and the good that he spread. If not for being the "son of god", then just for being a good person.

This is supposed to be a respectful discussion, so be fucking respectful.
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I think you are missing my point. I was speaking from the point of view of a historian in 30AD.
 
CrackerJax

CrackerJax

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shroomer33 said:
One of the biggest problems I have with the 'smashing asteroid' theory is that chance and natural selection can't account for the information stored in DNA. As a matter of fact, and this blew me away when I learned about it, natural selection is DESTRUCTIVE to information content in DNA. Classical Darwinism can't explain the origin of the information content (irreducible complexity) in DNA AND now we know that natural selection is harmful to information content. Darwin was a good scientist for his day, but now we know waaaaaayyy more than he ever dreamed of. And we now know he was way off, as far as natural selection being responsible for new kinds of life. At least that is how I see it.
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You are surprised because you think nature is moving towards perfection... it is not.

Darwin was a great MIND. He however, was just one of many. If he hadn't come out with it, others were close behind. This was not a shot in the dark by any stretch.
 
shroomer33

shroomer33

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CrackerJax said:
You are surprised because you think nature is moving towards perfection... it is not.

Darwin was a great MIND. He however, was just one of many. If he hadn't come out with it, others were close behind. This was not a shot in the dark by any stretch.
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I am surprised because this shows how natural selection can't be the answer to the origin of life, not that I ever thought that nature is moving towards perfection.
Natural selection is insufficient to form the complex message system in DNA, especially since it DESTROYS information. That is what I am saying. That is what I found shocking. What is more shocking is that people still buy classical Darwinism. Oh well, science moves slow sometimes.
 
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