NK's discussion continued from

https://www.rollitup.org/politics/681211-closing-threads-9.html

abandonconflict said:

You must think I'm new here.

Hi, nice to meet you, the reason why you're an ass hole, is because you're a social darwinist. I have read enough of your prattle in both sections. I agree with UB's assessment of you and your views on groups including Judaism. I do not wish my criticism of Zionism associated with you. Your philosophy disgusts me.

If you have something to say, defend Nietzsche against my assertions in the section where you perceive you are an authority. I directly challenged your view on multiple occasions logically and I was the one who briefly turned focus in that section toward the subjective/objective debates.

You'll not draw me into mudslinging in another section. It is your bullshit and that of your friends who provoke these bickering matches with your bigotry.

I'm done with you. I'm not trying to get threads closed. I'll leave that to UB.

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Premise:
Your post is completely unsubstantiated and based solely on your assumptions. All accusations and implications you have made are incorrect.

Would you have rather me started this thread somewhere else? You're the one that brought up philosophy and I thought this would be a better audience than Toke n Talk or whatever that other thread was. I make no assumptions regarding my authority; that's why we are HERE. There is an educated audience present. If I'm wrong they will point it out. No one in this section takes sides based on who is arguing, so this is a very level playing field. If you still object... lets discuss it until we can find a section that we can both agree upon. Is that reasonable?

I don't sling mud and I hardly see how I am a bigot. I do not recall you challenging me on ANY occasion. Please feel free to post links if my memory has failed me.

Your first assertion that I am a social Darwinist is one that I find particularly offensive as I try to live my life by observing my own set of standards and ethics which are completely antithetical to that of practicing social Darwinists.

My views on Judaism are the same as my views on any religion. Why does Judaism get special recognition or defense? I do not wish any of my views associated with YOU. What is my philosophy? Hell, even I would like to know that.

Do you want me to defend Nietzsche or do you want me to defend myself? I think you made a very poor assumption. A screen name and an avatar does not completely sum up anyone's world view, priorities, wishes, ethics... and so on. I thought it was a fun name. It was either that or aNietzscheTriggerFinger, but that was too long of a screen name.

"It is your bullshit and that of your friends who provoke these bickering matches with your bigotry." I will leave this for others to check on their own. It's pretty obvious who starts these bickering matches. I guess you are done with me when I invite you to defend your statements in a civil manner?

NK, I would not expect your intended interlocutor to show up here. When he and I have mixed it up over definitions, something i consider essential to reasoned discourse, he has reliably retreated into metaphor. cn

So I've been stood up?

Looks like it I hope you didn't already pay for dinner.

Ok, I'm done responding to him there. I said I wouldn't and I feel bad because I did. They wanted to make me look like a bad guy and I fell for it. I HATE when threads get hijacked and abrogated by the name calling and bickering. I wish RIU was more like Survivor and we got to vote someone off the RIU island once a month, lol.

NietzscheKeen said:

I hardly see how I am a bigot.

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LOL!

you're the one who started the white nationalist group and wants to see israel "obliterated", and you don't see how you're a bigot?

god damn.

i said GOD DAMN.

Well look who showed up for dinner. None of your friends are invited to chime in. Shall we dance again UB?

NietzscheKeen said:

Well look who showed up for dinner. None of your friends are invited to chime in. Shall we dance again UB?

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not even liberace couldn't dance his way out of your white power shoes.

unless you want to tell me that it was some malicious malware that started a white nationalist group wherein you discussed "white revolutions" and the "obliteration" of israel and the holocaust as a hoax, there's nothing to discuss.

Can you show me how the discussion of a topic necessarily means that one espouses those views? Some people like to be open minded, something I suspect you aren't too familiar with. I enjoy hearing opposing view points and listen to their arguments.

NietzscheKeen said:

Can you show me how the discussion of a topic necessarily means that one espouses those views?

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that's not even liberace good, that's more on par with a monkey trained to dance for pennies on the street.

Q: do you believe israel should be obliterated from the face of the earth?

Q: do you believe the holocaust happened as historians agree on?

Q: did you state that you do not wish to associate with black people as a whole?

Q: did you state that rollitup is a better site than stormfront?

i'm not interested in watching you try to run away from the views we all saw you preach, just answer the damn questions.

[video=youtube;MLEpZm957jk]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MLEpZm957jk[/video]

UncleBuck said:

that's not even liberace good, that's more on par with a monkey trained to dance for pennies on the street.

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I agree, it's not a hard question, but you still can't answer it in good faith.

Don't answer the question with four other questions... that's an evasion tactic. I asked a very simple, straight forward question. Answer it and we will move on.

UncleBuck said:

there is no way to have a civil debate about uncivil views.

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Well, as a matter of fact... there is. I'm trying to do that with you right now.

NietzscheKeen said:

I agree, it's not a hard question, but you still can't answer it in good faith.

Don't answer the question with four other questions... that's an evasion tactic. I asked a very simple, straight forward question. Answer it and we will move on.

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the question doesn't apply to you.

what you're trying to say is that you were just discussing holocaust denial and white revolutions, but are not in favor of them and don't espouse them, which is false.

and it is exactly the reason why you won't answer any direct question about your views. it doesn't give you enough room to dance away from them.

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Well, as a matter of fact... there is. I'm trying to do that with you right now.

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tell me how we can have a civil debate about how my wife's family members didn't actually die in the holocaust, or how we can have a civil debate about how my wife's living family members in israel need to be obliterated from the face of the earth.

you wishing death on my wife's family and calling them liars isn't very civil. words have meanings, ya know.

The question very much applies to me as it refers to the basis for all your claims regarding my beliefs. Don't put words in my mouth... just answer... the question. Then I will answer yours. I think that is fair.

NietzscheKeen said:

The question very much applies to me as it refers to the basis for all your claims regarding my beliefs. Don't put words in my mouth... just answer... the question. Then I will answer yours. I think that is fair.

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i already answered your question. in case you missed it or can not read for comrehension or read between the lines, i said it is possible but not in your case.

hence why you will not answer my direct questions.

wish i had saved some screenshots of the tacoburrito debacle so you couldn't try to weasel away from what you said.

UncleBuck said:

i already answered your question. in case you missed it or can not read for comrehension or read between the lines, i said it is possible but not in your case...

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I wish you would give frank and explicit answers because I refuse to play a game of semantics and ambiguous language with you.

But I will take that as an answer. "i said it is possible but not in your case"
I will answer your questions, then you must answer my follow up question.
This is how civil discussion works.

fuck you, i don't need you to answer shit anymore.

i did save some of your quotes from that group before it got deleted, you were definitely down with the "white revolution".

https://www.rollitup.org/make-your-requests/669953-petition-ban-holocaust-deniers-white.html

not only did you discuss white revolution, you wished you could have been there for it when they were more organized! case closed.

other gems include you not believing the holocaust happened "at all", and how you liked rollitup better than stormfront.

game set and match right there. you were discussing it, you were espousing it, and now you are trying to run away from it.

thank goodness the internet never forgets.

Q: do you believe israel should be obliterated from the face of the earth? I believe Israel to be an illegitimate state. One can compare it to the founding of the USA, but it's a little different. I do not believe Israel (as a state) has a right to exist. I believe nullify would be a much more appropriate word than "obliterate" as it implies destruction not only of land and law, but of people, which is what you are claiming I want.

Q: do you believe the holocaust happened as historians agree on? Your question raises another question. Which historians? Because even the mainstream historians don't agree on a lot of the details. My answer: I don't know. We are allowed to question historical events such as the moon landing, 9/11, even who discovered North America first. Why not this? I will repeat my answer... I don't know. That is why I wanted to have a discussion over it. I'm dedicated to the truth, I have no emotional investment in it either way.

Q: did you state that you do not wish to associate with black people as a whole? I do not recall that. In fact, I've made several statements which are pretty much a matter of public record since they are on RIU that clarify my view. I do not wish to associate with people of certain character; be they white, black, Asian, Indian, anything. It's about the quality of character, not color.

Q: did you state that rollitup is a better site than stormfront? Here you are twisting my words around and incompletely paraphrasing my comment in an attempt to take me out of context. I made a comment about RIU being better than Stormfront in regards to (I'm computer illiterate so bear with me) graphics and organization, etc. I made no statements about the content. You are trying to imply that since I know Stormfront exists, then I am therefore a Nazi? That doesn't follow. You are also attempting to imply that I think Stormfront is a valuable site that I enjoy visiting on a regular basis. I haven't been to that site in years and when I was there it was for curiosity and general "research" regarding ideas, etc. As I told you before in other posts, I try to be open minded. Being open minded means hearing all sides of an argument ESPECIALLY those that disagree with your own.

UncleBuck said:

fuck you, i don't need you to answer shit anymore.

i did save some of your quotes from that group before it got deleted, you were definitely down with the "white revolution".

https://www.rollitup.org/make-your-requests/669953-petition-ban-holocaust-deniers-white.html

not only did you discuss white revolution, you wished you could have been there for it when they were more organized! case closed.

other gems include you not believing the holocaust happened "at all", and how you liked rollitup better than stormfront.

game set and match right there. you were discussing it, you were espousing it, and now you are trying to run away from it.

thank goodness the internet never forgets.

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I think you might have been right about civil discussion... #12

Now the follow up question I mentioned in post #16: Why is it not possible for me?

I think people are fully aware that you pick and choose your "quotes" so that they can be used out of context and in the least charitable way possible.

NietzscheKeen said:

Why is it not possible for me?

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because by your own words, you say the holocaust did not happen at all, and that israel should be obliterated.

how do you propose we go about having a civil debate about how some of my family should be obliterated and the rest are lying about how our elders died?

there is no way to have a civil conversation when you start from the position you are starting.

the worst part is how you are trying to weasel away from those statements you made and which i saved, in full context.

you disgust me.