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Wavels · Nov 15, 2006

Big shock, I agree with Vi!
The truly FREE market would provide the optimum solution to current difficulties in providing peace of mind to millions of Americans who are exposed to catastrophic health care costs.
The problem with the current system is Government meddling.....there needs to be more competition and more choice....
Our system will never be perfect, but a true free market is a step in the right direction....IMO!

Dankdude · Nov 15, 2006

Wavels what good does it do if they price themselves out of the market?
It makes it to where only the elite can afford it.

Wavels · Nov 15, 2006

Dank, I believe the net effect of more freedom would be MORE affordable health care... to more people. The less Govt intervention the better!
Should provide lower prices to ALL consumers!
:joint:

Dankdude · Nov 15, 2006

Please explain to me how you figure, the stockholders in these companies demand more and more profits and demand that the companies raise prices.

Wavels · Nov 15, 2006

Because you have to see Health Care as nothing less than a commodity, a package of goods and services interlinked, if you will.
IMO, with a truly free market, you would see far more companies enter the marketplace, with additional choices, prices would decline to a realistic level reflecting more accurately supply and demand...an equilibrium would be established....I sincerely think this is much more likely to afford more Americans the peace of mind provided by comprehensive health coverage in place for their families. Free competition almost always provides lower costs to consumers

BTW, raising prices is not always the best or only way to increase earnings per share.

ViRedd · Nov 15, 2006

Dank ...

Just like in other venues ... the consumer rules. If one market has celery at 1.00 per bunch and another market has celery at .50 per bunch, which market will sell the most bunches of celery? The answer is obvious. And the market selling at 1.00 per bunch will have to lower the price of celery in order to compete.

Vi

medicineman · Nov 15, 2006

ViRedd said:
Dank ...

Just like in other venues ... the consumer rules. If one market has celery at 1.00 per bunch and another market has celery at .50 per bunch, which market will sell the most bunches of celery? The answer is obvious. And the market selling at 1.00 per bunch will have to lower the price of celery in order to compete.

Vi

When they get Doctors visits down to a dollar, I won't bitch and try and get the 50 cent deal! What would that be for an operation, a dollar two ninety-eight?

ViRedd · Nov 16, 2006

Med ...

I had to have a spinal surgery a number of years ago. I did have medical insurance, but because of a "preexisting condition," the insurance company denied my claim. I took my doctor's advice and used the fact that our community had two hospitals at the time, and bargained back and forth between each hospital for the best repayment schedule. I finally got one hospital to accept $1000.00 as a deposit and a six month term to complete payment. The surgeon agreed to the six month deal as well. I had the surgeon paid in full at the end of the six month period, but only had the hospital half paid. I called the hospital and they agreed to extend the payments another six months. It took a year for the hospital to be paid in full, but I met my committments.

In your opinion, Med ... should someone living in Alabama or Tennesee have paid for my medical needs?

Vi

medicineman · Nov 16, 2006

ViRedd said:
Med ...

I had to have a spinal surgery a number of years ago. I did have medical insurance, but because of a "preexisting condition," the insurance company denied my claim. I took my doctor's advice and used the fact that our community had two hospitals at the time, and bargained back and forth between each hospital for the best repayment schedule. I finally got one hospital to accept $1000.00 as a deposit and a six month term to complete payment. The surgeon agreed to the six month deal as well. I had the surgeon paid in full at the end of the six month period, but only had the hospital half paid. I called the hospital and they agreed to extend the payments another six months. It took a year for the hospital to be paid in full, but I met my committments.

In your opinion, Med ... should someone living in Alabama or Tennesee have paid for my medical needs?

Vi

Why thats a tearful story. If they had universal health care, as in Most all civilized countries, except ours, You wouldn't have had to worry who paid the bill, you would have been worry free to recover without the burden of paying the huge medical bills! Just because you had the type of gainful employment that allowed you to pay, does not mean that everyone does. What if you worked for minimum wage, had three kids and a house payment that took 2-1/2 paychecks, a wife that couldn't work because of the cost of child care, etc. etc. Can you see that person being able to get the operation to begin with, and if he did, how in the hell could he ever pay it back! You live in a bubble. Come out to the real world, where people work for peanuts and are burdened with huge debt, then throw a 30,000 operation into the mix and expect them to pay. You are hopeless

ViRedd · Nov 17, 2006

Again Med ... should someone in Arkansas or Tennesee be responsible to pay my hospital bills?

Vi

medicineman · Nov 17, 2006

ViRedd said:
Again Med ... should someone in Arkansas or Tennesee be responsible to pay my hospital bills?

Vi

There is no Dialigue with you, It's a controlled monologue. I doubt if you even read what I write, so there's no answer that will ring your bell, and if you wonder why I say Fuck off, pretty much that's all that you listen to!

ViRedd · Nov 17, 2006

Med ...

I read everything you write. But when you make comments like this one, what's to comment about?:

"When they get Doctors visits down to a dollar, I won't bitch and try and get the 50 cent deal! What would that be for an operation, a dollar two ninety-eight?"

medicineman · Nov 17, 2006

ViRedd said:
Med ...

I read everything you write. But when you make comments like this one, what's to comment about?:

"When they get Doctors visits down to a dollar, I won't bitch and try and get the 50 cent deal! What would that be for an operation, a dollar two ninety-eight?"

Duhhhh, Thats a comment on your comment about the 1.00 and .50 cent arguement> ,Holy shit Bat.....

Wavels · Nov 17, 2006

Most Americans have ready access to emergency medical care....even people here illegally have no difficulty in obtaining care? Very few people are dying in the streets.
The crux of this whole issue is the insurance side of the problem and the health care side being lumped together,…… when they are, in actuality, two separate issues!
Sadly it is all too common for the media to confuse health insurance and health care. As a result, the public is also confused. Why is this important? Because by this means the media create misunderstanding of very real problems. Without clear understanding of the problems, we are prone to manipulation by agenda-driven special interests. We can be certain that "solutions" pushed at us by special interests suit their objectives. But how can anyone be certain that these "solutions" address real problems, when the real problems remain confused and ill-defined?
Quite a fine mess with government meddling on display!

medicineman · Nov 17, 2006

Wavels said:
Most Americans have ready access to emergency medical care....even people here illegally have no difficulty in obtaining care? Very few people are dying in the streets.
The crux of this whole issue is the insurance side of the problem and the health care side being lumped together, when they are two separate issues!
Sadly it is all too common for the media to confuse health insurance and health care. As a result, the public is also confused. Why is this important? Because by this means the media create misunderstanding of very real problems. Without clear understanding of the problems, we are prone to manipulation by agenda-driven special interests. We can be certain that "solutions" pushed at us by special interests suit their objectives. But how can anyone be certain that these "solutions" address real problems, when the real problems remain confused and ill-defined?
Quite a fine mess with government meddling on display!

So what is your solution that will benefit all US citizens, not just the wealthy?

Wavels · Nov 17, 2006

Certainly not more of the same, or as Hillary is beginning to refer to...MORE GOVT.

Lower the cost of insurance by introducing more competition and minimize governmental regulations and bureaucracies which add costs. The government has rigged the market in favor of a relatively small number of companies...bahhh!
With the cost of insurance lower more people in total will purchase the health care product side, thereby reducing that cost as well!
:blsmoke:

medicineman · Nov 17, 2006

Wavels said:
Certainly not more of the same, or as Hillary is beginning to refer to...MORE GOVT.

Lower the cost of insurance by introducing more competition and minimize governmental regulations and bureaucracies which add costs. The government has rigged the market in favor of a relatively small number of companies...bahhh!
With the cost of insurance lower more people in total will purchase the health care product side, thereby reducing that cost as well!

Do you work for an insurance company? The problem is the insurance industry. They are in medicine for profit! that translates to less care for more money. To privatize ones health care is to rely upon the conflict between Greed and care. Which one do you think wins out? Even if you don't like National health care, can't you see the greed inherent in private care. My doctor of ten years has just thrown me and my wife out his practise for greed. He is starting a private practice that will cost each patient 3,000 per year to belong + all insurance proceedings he can collect. This a man I held in high esteem for ten years. The main reason I believe he is doing this is the squeeze put on him by the insurance industry. They are the real criminals in this society! Those and the real estate agents, LOL!

Wavels · Nov 17, 2006

Lol
If I worked for an insurance company, why would I want to see more competition!
I agree with you that the REAL big problem is insurance. It is a paperwork maze, as you probably know.
The reason the insurance industry is the way it is….is precisely because of governmental meddling.
I think it is because of the insurance industry….malpractice specifically….that your Doctor morphed has into a giant douche bag!

medicineman · Nov 17, 2006

Wavels said:
Lol

I think it is because of the insurance industry….malpractice specifically….that your Doctor has morphed into a giant douche bag!

I certainly agree on the douch bag Thing. We used to have conversations like good buddies, talk politics and everything. I was certainly surprised and dissapointed as I had figured him my doctor for life! Also Malpractice has it's place if you are harmed by a physician or hospital, but there are certainly some unscrupulous attorneys and Victims whom push the limits!

ViRedd · Nov 18, 2006

"but there are certainly some unscrupulous attorneys ..."

And John Edwards is one of the worst to come down the pike in a long time.

Vi

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