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Budgal · Aug 29, 2020

Humanrob said:
One of the issues with bug netting is that it cuts down on natural breeze airflow. That combined with my over-crowding a bit and not really trimming them... and I started to see bud rot on a few buds, so I took a couple that were impacted down and uncovered the rest. After the first trim and hanging to dry, I would guess I lost about 10% of those plants to rot.

The ones that came down were pretty much ready, it's about 11 weeks from sprouting so that's kind of on schedule for these autos. I would have liked to have given them another week to see if they would fatten up more, but I think they were fine to come down. The remaining ones will probably come down in around a week, so if moths hits them I guess we'll just smoke the eggs, I don't think they'll have time to hatch.

These autos don't create very dense buds, at least not outdoors (haven't tried them indoors yet), but they are nice and frosty. I threw the gallon jug in there as a size reference, one pic is the smallest one, the other is one of the larger ones, there can be a LOT of variation between them. To be fair, that smallest one is next to a structure which cuts about an hour of sunlight out compared to the others, but still, it's the runt of the litter.

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Hello @Humanrob I've done 2 grows of autos outdoors this summer. The skunks came out real firm buds but my haze were larfy. I spoke to the breeder a friend whom i got them from says it's normal for his haze autos? The smoke is OK did'nt get the yield like i did with the skunks. I don't have a scale, i go by my quart jars which i leave 2" headspace in when i fill them. I think those are pretty great looking autos but i am no expert. Oh i guess i'm running my 3rd auto outdoors cause i got some autos called white lights New420guyseeds. So yes i have the 4 in the wagon which i run around chasing the sun with. Those are firm buds not as big as the skunks but nice looking.

BlazinDucks · Aug 30, 2020

I currently have 2 of my 3 in flower finally. One kicked over mid August, the other went a few days ago. Unfortunately my biggest plant has yet to go into flower and I'm thinking it's due to the height. It's getting light at night from the neighbors house lights. Bums me out but there's not much I can do. It's 8-9' tall. No way to block the light, and I don't want to ask them to turn the lights off. I hate unforeseen issues, but it comes with the territory I guess.

Budgal · Aug 30, 2020

BlazinDucks said:
I currently have 2 of my 3 in flower finally. One kicked over mid August, the other went a few days ago. Unfortunately my biggest plant has yet to go into flower and I'm thinking it's due to the height. It's getting light at night from the neighbors house lights. Bums me out but there's not much I can do. It's 8-9' tall. No way to block the light, and I don't want to ask them to turn the lights off. I hate unforeseen issues, but it comes with the territory I guess. View attachment 4669438

WoW very nice garden giant tomato plants. Yes my mango photos are last to flower so i will put into greenhouse i'm sure it won't finish. Mine are not that tall cause i had to nearly cut them by 12-14" off the tops when they revegged. They would be huge but a big mess more than i wanted to deal with. I did many days of work on these so not tall but maybe 6ft and less. They came back real good but will be later than i want to finish but i'll get a harvest. I moved one of my photo mango from under a kitchen window do to light on not sure if it's a issue but i moved it. So far i don't see any hermies from the revegg.

Tim Fox · Aug 30, 2020

Humanrob said:
One of the issues with bug netting is that it cuts down on natural breeze airflow. That combined with my over-crowding a bit and not really trimming them... and I started to see bud rot on a few buds, so I took a couple that were impacted down and uncovered the rest. After the first trim and hanging to dry, I would guess I lost about 10% of those plants to rot.

The ones that came down were pretty much ready, it's about 11 weeks from sprouting so that's kind of on schedule for these autos. I would have liked to have given them another week to see if they would fatten up more, but I think they were fine to come down. The remaining ones will probably come down in around a week, so if moths hit them I guess we'll just smoke the eggs, I don't think they'll have time to hatch.

These autos don't create very dense buds, at least not outdoors (haven't tried them indoors yet), but they are nice and frosty. I threw the gallon jug in there as a size reference, one pic is the smallest one, the other is one of the larger ones, there can be a LOT of variation between them. To be fair, that smallest one is next to a structure which cuts about an hour of sunlight out compared to the others, but still, it's the runt of the litter.

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Very nice grow Rob

Houstini · Aug 30, 2020

They look so small with the wide angle lens. 100s and 65s

tef162 · Sep 2, 2020

I've been following along this year but have not posted much. Where my plants grow there is a lot of greenery that makes getting a good picture of the plants challenging. Anyway, they are coming along nicely, enjoying the good weather.

This is the Black Afghani Rose x JahGoo that is the furthest along.

Here is the rest of the plant.

Super Silver Haze

Gold Leaf

And lastly, Blueberry CBD

xtsho · Sep 3, 2020

So I grew an auto and what I thought was a 2nd gen Sensi Ruderalis Indica I made seeds of. I've already harvested the auto. Not really impressed with the bud from the auto but it's smoke able. Nowhere near the quality of photo's I grow indoors but it worked for why I grew it which was an early harvest outdoors. I planted the seed in May and harvested in August so next year I'll grow a couple more outside.

What I thought was a 2nd gen Ruderalis Indica apparently is not what I thought. It's supposed to be a short plant. The plant I'm growing is 7 ft tall. I now realize that what I planted was a Panama + Ruderalis Indica cross I made.

I store my seeds in tubes that I label. I must have had a few too many barley pops when I got the seed out and just saw Ruderalis on the label.

Had I been paying better attention I would have noticed it was a cross

Anyway, it's just been growing in a 3.5 gallon pot in soil I mixed and it's only been fed a few times with compost and other organics tea I brewed up so I'm happy with how it's grown using nothing but organics. It's just now starting to show pistils so at least it's a female and it really stretched the last couple of weeks. I doubt it's going to finish before mid November so I'm going to have to figure out where to put it to finish if the weather goes south. I'll probably angle it sideways and stick it in the greenhouse if I have too.

Humanrob · Sep 3, 2020

tef162 said:
I've been following along this year but have not posted much. Where my plants grow there is a lot of greenery that makes getting a good picture of the plants challenging. Anyway, they are coming along nicely, enjoying the good weather.

This is the Black Afghani Rose x JahGoo that is the furthest along.View attachment 4672465

Here is the rest of the plant.
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Super Silver Haze
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Gold Leaf
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And lastly, Blueberry CBD
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Nice looking plants. Man, I miss Jerry's. I hope I get to move back to your neck of the woods someday.

xtsho said:
So I grew an auto and what I thought was a 2nd gen Sensi Ruderalis Indica I made seeds of. I've already harvested the auto. Not really impressed with the bud from the auto but it's smoke able. Nowhere near the quality of photo's I grow indoors but it worked for why I grew it which was an early harvest outdoors. I planted the seed in May and harvested in August so next year I'll grow a couple more outside.

What I thought was a 2nd gen Ruderalis Indica apparently is not what I thought. It's supposed to be a short plant. The plant I'm growing is 7 ft tall. I now realize that what I planted was a Panama + Ruderalis Indica cross I made.

I store my seeds in tubes that I label. I must have had a few too many barley pops when I got the seed out and just saw Ruderalis on the label.

Had I been paying better attention I would have noticed it was a cross

Anyway, it's just been growing in a 3.5 gallon pot in soil I mixed and it's only been fed a few times with compost and other organics tea I brewed up so I'm happy with how it's grown using nothing but organics. It's just now starting to show pistils so at least it's a female and it really stretched the last couple of weeks. I doubt it's going to finish before mid November so I'm going to have to figure out where to put it to finish if the weather goes south. I'll probably angle it sideways and stick it in the greenhouse if I have too.

That is one crazy looking auto!

The spectrum of variation between autos is huge, it's amazing to me that you're making your own crosses. I don't have the time or bandwidth, I need to lean on the patient work of others who made good choices.

Here's one from the garden I'm probably taking down today --

xtsho · Sep 3, 2020

Humanrob said:
Nice looking plants. Man, I miss Jerry's. I hope I get to move back to your neck of the woods someday.

That is one crazy looking auto!

The spectrum of variation between autos is huge, it's amazing to me that you're making your own crosses. I don't have the time or bandwidth, I need to lean on the patient work of others who made good choices.

Here's one from the garden I'm probably taking down today --
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Well it's not an auto. I used Sensi Ruderalis Indica which isn't a true auto as they've bred indica with ruderalis. They say half will show autoflowering traits Then I crossed that with Panama which is a sativa so it's a hybrid photoperiod plant with genetics from ruderalis, indica, and sativa. I have a half dozen packs of different pollen in the freezer so I'm going to dust a few branches with different pollen and add to my collection of crosses and seeds.

By the way, that's a nice frosty plant. :blsmoke:

Humanrob · Sep 3, 2020

xtsho said:
Well it's not an auto. I used Sensi Ruderalis Indica which isn't a true auto as they've bred indica with ruderalis. They say half will show autoflowering traits Then I crossed that with Panama which is a sativa so it's a hybrid photoperiod plant with genetics from ruderalis, indica, and sativa. I have a half dozen packs of different pollen in the freezer so I'm going to dust a few branches with different pollen and add to my collection of crosses and seeds.

I thought that all of the strains being sold as "auto" were ruderalis/photo hybrids, taking the many of the flavor, potency, and other characteristics from the photo and hybridizing with ruderalis for the auto non-photo sensitive trait. For instance, I've seen seeds for "GG4 Autos", which I assumed were photo GG4's crossed with ruderalis plants until they found a pheno that resembled GG4 but was not light sensitive. Am I wrong about that?

Are you saying even though "GG4 autos" are not light sensitive for flowering, only pure ruderalis are True Autos? Or are you saying that because with that particular Sensi Ruderalis Indica that you have, since they say only half will show auto flowering traits (an F1?), its not a stabilized strain with reliable outcomes, and therefore should not be called an auto?

It's all good, I'm still learning and I won't learn unless I ask. Just trying to wrap my brain around it.

xtsho said:
By the way, that's a nice frosty plant.

Thanks

(genetics did the heavy lifting, I just stuck it in the ground

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Humanrob · Sep 9, 2020

I hope this smoke isn't choking y'all out. A couple of years ago we were close enough to the fires that our plants were covered with ash, luckily we only reached level one and didn't need to evacuate.

Safe growing -- and best of luck to everyone

graying.geek · Sep 9, 2020

Wow! Is this weird, or what? Don't know what it's like across the rest of the State but in the mid-Valley the east wind brought the smoke from the Cascade fires over here, so it'd been like living in Mordor for the past couple of days. Ash is hanging in the air and covering everything, and all activities are curtailed. Jeesh; like 2020 couldn't get any worse. I'm thinking we should be preparing for the Cascadia earthquake in the next 3 months...

Anywho, thought I'd give a quick update. All 4 plants are doing well. The Durban x R2 on the right, Kilimanjaro on the left:

turned out to be a bushy, Cousin It looking thing eminating a strong sesame/skunk smell with thick bushy buds that are developing a nice frost. I've heard that crossing a sativa with an indica can produce bushy plants so the pheno follows. The Kilimanjaro grew into an 8 ft, slow flowering xmas tree. Bad choice for outdoor here since it won't finish before the end of Oct, but lesson learned. I've taken cuttings for seeds so I'll try it indoors at some point. Actually looks promising if it can just get to the finish line.

The Skunk #1:

is doing better than I expected and should finish by week 1 or 2 in October. It's developing some nice buds so I'm hopeful. If onlly the monsoons don't arrive until mid-Oct.

The Durban Poison:

Will probably finish around 10/1. The buds are getting thick and have the nice, Durban smell. My problem with both the Durban and Skunk is heigt: The primary colas are both well beyond my reach, so I might have to get out the ladder to apply worm and PM remediation.

In all, it's been a relatively good year. My 3-hour direct sun limitation -- which you can see from the photos -- keeps the plants less bushy than they could be with more sun, but I am expecting around 1/2 Kg total in the end.

xtsho · Sep 9, 2020

graying.geek said:
Wow! Is this weird, or what? Don't know what it's like across the rest of the State but in the mid-Valley the east wind brought the smoke from the Cascade fires over here, so it'd been like living in Mordor for the past couple of days. Ash is hanging in the air and covering everything, and all activities are curtailed. Jeesh; like 2020 couldn't get any worse. I'm thinking we should be preparing for the Cascadia earthquake in the next 3 months...

Anywho, thought I'd give a quick update. All 4 plants are doing well. The Durban x R2 on the right, Kilimanjaro on the left:

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turned out to be a bushy, Cousin It looking thing eminating a strong sesame/skunk smell with thick bushy buds that are developing a nice frost. I've heard that crossing a sativa with an indica can produce bushy plants so the pheno follows. The Kilimanjaro grew into an 8 ft, slow flowering xmas tree. Bad choice for outdoor here since it won't finish before the end of Oct, but lesson learned. I've taken cuttings for seeds so I'll try it indoors at some point. Actually looks promising if it can just get to the finish line.

The Skunk #1:

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is doing better than I expected and should finish by week 1 or 2 in October. It's developing some nice buds so I'm hopeful. If onlly the monsoons don't arrive until mid-Oct.

The Durban Poison:

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Will probably finish around 10/1. The buds are getting thick and have the nice, Durban smell. My problem with both the Durban and Skunk is heigt: The primary colas are both well beyond my reach, so I might have to get out the ladder to apply worm and PM remediation.

In all, it's been a relatively good year. My 3-hour direct sun limitation -- which you can see from the photos -- keeps the plants less bushy than they could be with more sun, but I am expecting around 1/2 Kg total in the end.

I've grow Kilimanjaro. Good stuff. The Durban is great as well which is why I crossed it with PCK and am about to plant some F5 seeds indoors that I've been working on for a couple years. It's a fast finisher and should do great outdoors here in the PNW. It's stable with 2 pheno's a purple and a green which I'm trying to breed for just the green which might be impossible with the PCK genetics and it's propensity to color.

tef162 · Sep 9, 2020

Ash is still lightly falling at our place. We were without power for 24 hours and since we are on a well, was not able to water anything yesterday. Was almost ready to use water from the hot tub but the power finally came back this morning.

This picture was taken at 10:30 yesterday morning.

xtsho · Sep 9, 2020

A couple hours ago. I've seen it before but it's still eerie when the smoke rolls in. Knowing that somewhere someone is losing everything makes it really sad.

graying.geek · Sep 10, 2020

xtsho said:
I've grow Kilimanjaro. Good stuff.

Good to hear since it's such a healthy looking plant. I'll have to try it indoors at some point, but a few questions:

Once it starts flowering -- and the single pheno I'm growing didn't start flowering until 9/1 -- how long does it go? Is it really a 9-10 week finisher once buds form?

Yield?

I'm looking for THCV. Does the Kilimanjaro give the energetic, sativa high?

xtsho: said:
The Durban is great as well which is why I crossed it with PCK and am about to plant some F5 seeds indoor

Which breeder is your Durban?

xtsho: said:
2 pheno's a purple and a green which I'm trying to breed for just the green which might be impossible with the PCK genetics and it's propensity to color.

I'm curious about the difference in effects of the 2 PCK phenos? Is the green more energetic?

Thanx for any info.

xtsho · Sep 10, 2020

graying.geek said:
Good to hear since it's such a healthy looking plant. I'll have to try it indoors at some point, but a few questions:

Once it starts flowering -- and the single pheno I'm growing didn't start flowering until 9/1 -- how long does it go? Is it really a 9-10 week finisher once buds form?

Yield?

I'm looking for THCV. Does the Kilimanjaro give the energetic, sativa high?

Which breeder is your Durban?

I'm curious about the difference in effects of the 2 PCK phenos? Is the green more energetic?

Thanx for any info.

Take the 9 - 10 week stated times with a grain of salt. 11 - 12 weeks is more likely. I don't remember how long mine took but I'm pretty sure it was closer to 12 weeks. But I let my plants go longer than most making sure they are finished. Some go off a calendar based off breeders times and harvest their plants too early.

Kilimanjaro gives a classic sativa high. It's not going to put you to sleep.

The Durban I used was from Sensi and is a very good strain.

I've found the green PCK pheno to just be better all around than the purple which is why I've been trying to breed it out of my Durbistan. In my opinion it tastes and smells better. It's not more energetic but has a more potent high that can make you lazy but it's not total couch lock. I don't smoke it early in the day but later in the afternoon when I start relaxing. I smoke my sativa's during the day so I can get things done. But the purple pheno sure is beautiful when it flowers. Actually in my experience it's more red than purple.

Houstini · Sep 12, 2020

Been fortunate I guess, everything has been maturing slower this year. Leaf blower has kept a majority of ash off of my plants. My buddy that has deps almost ready is not looking good. This is a small fofana flowering early though in my garden before I blew her off, pic was early afternoon. my heart goes out to those that lost it all

xtsho · Sep 13, 2020

Humanrob said:
I thought that all of the strains being sold as "auto" were ruderalis/photo hybrids, taking the many of the flavor, potency, and other characteristics from the photo and hybridizing with ruderalis for the auto non-photo sensitive trait. For instance, I've seen seeds for "GG4 Autos", which I assumed were photo GG4's crossed with ruderalis plants until they found a pheno that resembled GG4 but was not light sensitive. Am I wrong about that?

Are you saying even though "GG4 autos" are not light sensitive for flowering, only pure ruderalis are True Autos? Or are you saying that because with that particular Sensi Ruderalis Indica that you have, since they say only half will show auto flowering traits (an F1?), its not a stabilized strain with reliable outcomes, and therefore should not be called an auto?

It's all good, I'm still learning and I won't learn unless I ask. Just trying to wrap my brain around it.

Thanks
(genetics did the heavy lifting, I just stuck it in the ground )

The Ruderalis Indica from Sensi is not sold as an auto. Some will some won't.

I then crossed that with Panama. I wasn't looking for an auto but more of a faster flowering plant than the Panama by itself. I realize now that the Panama + Pakistani Chitral Kush cross I grew last year achieved that goal and made a delicious indica/sativa hybrid. This ruderalis/indica + Panama cross I'm growing now is definitely not an early finisher. And it gets too tall. I'm not growing it again. You make crosses and you see what sticks. Looks like it's going to be November before it's done. But It was just 1 seed out of hundreds so there could still be what I'm looking for in the next grow if there is one. I might just take a bunch of seeds out early next spring on a hike through recently burned areas in Oregon and play Johnny Appleseed. Just kidding.

Some of the auto's from know legitimate breeders don't always auto.

I'm not a big fan of auto's but I think they have their place. I'm happy with the auto White Widow + Big Bud I planted in May and harvested in August. I'm growing a couple more auto's next spring outdoors because they fill a void when I shut down the indoor grow during the hottest summer months.

xtsho · Sep 13, 2020

Those of you with plants outside might want to think about covering them or moving them inside or into a greenhouse if you can. The rain predicted for this upcoming week is going to be bringing nasty crap with it. Cover them or move them if you can.

Last year it was bud rot. This year it's ash and smoke. We're not getting the ash here in Portland like some places more to the south but the rain is going to be bringing stuff with it.

Wishing everyone the best.

Good luck and stay safe.

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