My virgin BHO post, Epileptic MMJ Cannabis user, Tonic Clonic seizures, side effects.

Greetings Rollitup!

I am an epileptic with seizures since childhood, it has been rough to say the least. Gettin right to it, Cannabis has saved my side effects in ways no medicine can ever compete with, pain and headache wise, also post seizure state. Not to mention every single toke prevents seizure fits. This sacred plant in concentrated form changed my life from a bed to the city once again, I am dedicated to creating the best, permanent, self sustaining solution to curbing, at best, the incredibly horrible, and ultimately fatal side effects of Primary Generalized Epilepsy.

So far, I have ordered from Harbor Freight Tools a 3cfm 2 stage vac pump, & a 1.5 gal vac chamber from Best Value Vacs.

I have two pyrex dishes-2 inches deep,
I am using the typical stainless steel turkey baster,

Atm it is my only option, are there any easily accessible and cheap better options for smaller runs (1/2-1oz) than a baster around stores? I am enforcing it with metal hose clamps over heavy duty tape. I do feel extremely good about it, but with th quality of my vacuum and chamber, i would like a nice tube to match, I just have not found a source. Does anyone have any suggestions here for smaller quantities, to an ounce for a typical run?

I have heard stainless steel mesh in between two coffee filters could help in extraction Is this true? Versus simply two coffee filters, folded multiple times over eachother?

Purging minimum 3 hours or more, to get a full purge, is also discussion I have seen. W/ whipping/popping, a discussion for another day. Just wanted to get a discussion going as I am in need of some tips,

Thanks guys! All the support is seriously appreciated. I will have many more details, and questions for sure, after my "gifts" arrive

Where you located? Im in canada so i may be of no use.

SaybianTv said:

Where you located? Im in canada so i may be of no use.

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The states, Chi-town area at the current moment. Summer 2014 headed back to Rado, though where I had previously had a MMJ card etc etc. Hence why I wish to get as much knowledge and trial and error down as possible before summer 2014, with the new fully legal laws that will be in place timed curiously perfectly for my re-arrival . Thank you for the prompt reply my man.

Hmm I seem to remember Chicago for not being too kind about pot, I don't feel like googling the information. I get my glass tubes made by a friend. I've seen them on ebay and other online retailers for decent prices. Look at Guzias1 thread called BHO with vacuum oil/wax tutorial for more purge information.

Chicago has never been too pro-anything, the corrupt politicians that have ran this city since the dawn of time have ruined society for citizens, and street gangs run the city. It's ChiRaq! we have more murders per year than Iraq these days, well noted on the police scene man. But recently, Medical Marijuana Illinois has been passed!!!!!!! . Gov Pat Quinn has done some great things for the people, and this surely is one of them. It is a landmark ballot, as the east coast and midwest is concerned, it has been quoted in one major paper round here as "A Test for NY State MMJ." It begins here in January 2014, not many dispo's like I'm used to in Rado, but limited for 6 months and will expand "after they test the waters" basically. One getting an appointment for such a condition as Epilepsy, and recurrent seizures, is not difficult, actually pretty damn serious, and one specific individual has an upcoming appointment for "whether medical marijuana is right for him" . Word, appreciate the hookup I will check out Guzias1 and get down , according to Fedex my 1.5 gal chamber arrives tmrw!! Pump in a few days.Thanks again guys!!! Dab a dabba do.

https://www.rollitup.org/concentrates-extracts/624465-bho-vacuum-oil-wax-tutorial.html
read through it
do not use the duct tape,
i use 3 filters if its nugs 5 if its shake
never heard of the screen thing but the first coffee filter would render the mesh screen useless as a filter

you sound like your going in the right direction but read through that thread its long and the info is a bit scattered, we are working on that, but ia m confident that you will have a much better understanding as to what your getting into.

oh yea and get you a glass tube off the internet i am sure someone is selling them

I'm also a medical mj patient Epi I have severe nerve pain that the Dr's at my pain clinic wish to treat with nasty shit like 'Epilim' that is used for epilepsy & as a mood stabiliser for schizophrenics & those with Bi-polar disorder, because "Sometimes....it MAY help.." The side effects of this drug [& others like it] are dangerous & can be life threatening. I found, much to my delight I might say, that if I consume a small amount [hehe] of Thc everyday, then my nerve pain is reduced by 80%.
There's a few mmj patients here on Riu with epilepsy, who grow & smoke bud for their condition. Are you using oil [as opposed to bud] because of it's strength or because it's your preference?

As Twitch suggests, read the threads, like me you'll learn a lot.
I had a ss tube with a small threaded pipe with cap, welded on each end. It's 10" long & 1 & a half inches wide. It holds over 40grams of dried pot & I use 3 cans of butane per run. I think 40grams is too big, I'm needing to include fan leaves, & sometimes stalk, to ensure the tube is full. If I were to make another tube I'd make it smaller so it held maybe 25grams.
An interesting development in hash making is the use of an ordinary thermos, where the pot is soaked in butane. Can't remember which thread where I read this. Maybe a good method for a stickied thread?

Epi, my 1st efforts at making hash were quite primitive compared to the quality of most guys here. None-the-less, a friend described my hash as "too strong" [haha, nonsense, smoke less] To date, I've only used trim & sugar leaves [EDIT I forgot that I've also included 25% real crappy outdoor bud a mate gave me] When I did my 1st trial run, I thought it better to waste some butane than 'good' pot so I just used some old, stale, dry fan leaves, that was it, & although I only got 2gs from about 40gs, the oil was very strong. A lot of the guys here make oil out of really good bud & I can only imagine how strong it must be. But my point is, you can make reasonable hash oil from leaves & trim, you just don't get the same amount of oil as you would from using bud. Just collect leaf & scrap until you have enough to fill your tube & your off & running.
Good luck.

Oh hell yes, another tokin' epileptic! Glad to know I joined with many more to get in contact with, its a very important part of my life. Yessir, do I ingest concentrates of all sorts for their potency, for my nerve pain. As my time goes by since my last seizure, bud is working better and better, but after a seizure episode, Concentrates are all I can use as potency is of highest priority. At those times I am prescribed pain meds. I have been through massive issues with medications from every type of doctor, Neurologist, for Seizures, but also, for our purposes, nerve pain. Constant nerve pain was constantly unbearable, and only recently has gotten under control, (thanks to BHO, Hashish, Alcohol Extracts, etc). Concentrated forms of THC beautifully alleviate tension/pressure in the brain I experience. Pain medications reduce efficacy over time, as tolerance builds, and the nasty opioid withdrawal, or NSAID destruction of your liver/stomach lining, etc, make pills unusable daily. I will get shopping for a correctly sized glass tube off amazon ASAP then. Thanks again guys.

I've heard of 'petty/semi/grand' mal seizures but am not familiar with Tonic Clonic seizures. I'm not an epileptic, if that's what you meant. I have severe nerve pain. The Dr's at pain clinics acknowledge nerve pain is the hardest to treat, which is why they prescribe such crazy meds to try & deal with it. I refuse to take that shit, seriously.If given the choice, I'd prefer to destroy my liver & kidneys with a good bourbon. I've seen so many patients at the pain clinic be given one nasty drug after the other with the same instructions each time "Take this, give it 6 weeks before it MIGHT help." Meanwhile the poor buggers are caught in a nightmare of side effects that are often worse than the condition they're trying to treat in the 1st instance. Sheer madness!

Mate I'm unsure about the glass tubes. They can be purchased for the specific purpose to make oil. In that event it would have a hole for the butane I'd imagine. It'd be a waste of money if it didn't.
I like the stainless steel tube because I can lend it to friends without fear of them breaking it [nor me for that matter]
It's worth reading the threads before committing to a glass tube. Based on the info I've learnt here on Riu [C&E section] I think I'd try the soaking in a thermos method first. A thermos can be bought for under $10 & all you need to do is drill a small hole in the cap. I'm trying this method next.

Ahhh, just re-read your post. My nerve pain is caused by a 'neuroma'. For years it gradually got better, then for no apparent reason it became worse. Nerve pain is quite distressing. Lucky for me that my pain is intermittent. Opiates have little effect on majority of nerve pain. Yes, the withdrawals. I was given 3years to live about 12 years ago. I didn't see the point in dying AND be in pain so I gave the Dr's heaps until I got what I wanted, well I did have a good excuse because "I'm f%cking dying here Doc & you want me to go down kicking AND screaming?" Bugger that. I was on over 500mgs of morphine a day. Not good. It was a dark period in my life for other reasons [get real sick & you'll find out who your real friends are] so I hid in a morphine cocoon for 3years. When I wasn't dead yet, I gave myself a good slap & woke up to myself & started to wean myself of the morphine. At 1st it's easy to cut back on dosage, but you get to a point where even a reduction of 5mgs makes you feel sick 24/7. So I saw the pain specialist & asked to be put in a hospital bed for 10days to withdraw [usually those in my position are put on Methadone, I refuse, & de-tox at the junkie unit. Again I refused on the grounds that I'm a medical patient not a junkie] With heroin withdrawal, your sick as a dog for 3 days but by day 5 they say they feel good. Morphine withdrawal on the other hand, can take more than a year to feel normal again. Your not spewing & crapping etc. for that time, you just feel like shit. So, in hospital. the Dr's cut you down to 10% of your dose over 3 days. 7-10 days later you leave on half the original dose. I'm still on 50mgs a day [slow release] just so I don't feel dodgy all day & night.

So I'm afraid the Dr's are correct that pharmaceutical opiates are a poor option for long term pain. Our good friend Mary Jane is a much more viable & friendly option.
And for nerve pain? There's nothing that even comes close to mj's efficacy

Epi, go to a large irrigation store where you should find a suitable length of ss pipe with a thread at each end. Buy 2caps that fit each end & all you have to do is drill one 4mm hole in one cap-end, & 3-5 x 4mm holes in the other. Shouldn't cost more than $30. I had my pipe welded before a friends gf told me I could have made a better tube for half what I spent. Doh!

Yeah, the Tonic Clonic name is just a new description in Neurology for.... Grand-Mal seizures. It's been phased out and they have used better science or some shit to better/more accurately depict the origin of the episode (full brain episode, not partial), but many, and I mean many, still use the Grand-Mal name. Don't matter at all IMO. I just did give in and get a 14 gram glass tube off amazon, by Wax-Tek. I also have a SS baster set & ready to go (still never used). Wax-Tek is cheap!!! 25$$$ for a 14 gram tube, they went up to 60 gram tubes. I will grow up and mature with size as I am ready of course. God do I know what you mean about the 6 week med BULLSHIT at doctors offices GreyLord, its a fucking game. "Let's pump you full of this weird shit and see if you dont come back complaining anymore. If that doesn't work, call us back, let us know, we can try another this BS medicine." Side effects include loss of libido, small testicles, total loss of short term memory, unsteadiness, is there a name for a drug making your entire family dislike your personality? LOL. Hell yea! Bottoms up man!!! Fucking pain clinics lack of care and total inept capability to have sympathy, led me to a sympathetic plant, industry, and community of GREAT individuals, who have open minds, open hearts, and gather to just......get pain free, and take it easy. Neuroma? I have never heard of Neuroma, how are your worst symptoms? my worst Tonic Clonic (Grand mal) episode of my life, lasted over 7 mins, docs thought It wasn't stoppable. But I beat it . You are right on everything to a fucking tee my man, we sound like we've been through much the same ringer, friends who cannot handle severe reality leave you, the ones who can, stick by forever. And you learn how much they are worth to you. Quality, not quantity. Isn't that what we are going for in our BHO? Be Safe, and happy Dabbing

Most young Doctors are there for the right reason. The problem is that they're indoctrinated by the pharmaceutical companies. I'm lucky that I've a rapport with the Professor who heads my pain clinic. I'm their star patient, the only one who's reduced such a significant dose with a minimum of fuss. When your in a system, you have to play the game. I'm a good boy & comply until they suggest some new fancy 'you beaut' latest pill.

We're lucky that times have changed. Patients now have a say in their treatment. It wasn't that long ago Drs held the arrogant attitude that they're learned & all wise & you & me, the patient, is at best a competent imbecile who will follow Drs orders. If you didn't stick to their plan or dared question their judgment you'd be told to f#ck off & be shown the door.






What's the difference between God & a surgeon?

God does not consider him/herself a surgeon.

Now hold on a minute...not all doctors are asses.......however if you have been deemed as having drug seeking behavior good luck

But I have to agree..if your a "patient" your an "idiot".....but pharmaceutical companies are not bad, many dedicate their lives in attempts to improve yours...doesn't always work though

I must agree with GreyLord, There have been doctors, the list goes on and on, that I have critiqued through my years of medical experience, from the patient side of the medical transaction, whatever you would prefer to call it, that seem to have multiple ways of treating conditions/diseases in their patients. This is where I get critical. GreyLord, you, IMO, are right on the money. Because guess what people, money matters. You go in to an appointment looking for certain relief of horrible daily side effects stemming from an issue, and somehow, leave numerous, and I mean appointment after appointment with these brand new, never heard of medications that I literally am told we know very little about in certain areas of medicine. Why are we giving them out? Bc of the "lab rat" idea. Doctors, after a certain point, must, and I emphasize this, must try to introduce the newly synthesized and FDA approved medicines for certain non-curable illnesses/diseases, and doctors practically attempt to get you to try these unknown/brand new meds out by telling you they "may help your symptoms." THIS IS A MEDICAL GAME. This is how we find out what medications are made into generics, and made cheaper, and prescribed to the masses, millions of epileptics, for example. Did it work for you? Did it not? You return and let them know, they report to the Big Pharma and boom, you whither out successful meds versus unsuccessful meds. Or, "preferable vs non-preferable" bc of unbelievable unacceptable side effects. When you are ill, with no cure possible, anything is scripted that may alleviate symptoms, if you are willing to try. This is horrible, the meds are.... as the website actually is named on one site "crazy meds" lol, apply named!. So many symptoms should, and truly need to be handled herbally, others must be handled chemically, there is no choice. But over doing the body with pharmaceuticals recommended by some team of doctors, may seem to be the right thing to do, and it absolutely, is not, often much too often, bc of general trust that you must always see a doctor for everything.

Parchment paper- check.
chamber-check.
wax tek glass tube- currently shipping.
3cfm pump- currently shipping.

Everything is set, but Butane and....... ingredients . Which I am holding off on until all of my supplies arrive, just to be financially safe.

$4.20

qwizoking said:

Now hold on a minute...not all doctors are asses.......however if you have been deemed as having drug seeking behavior good luck

But I have to agree..if your a "patient" your an "idiot".....but pharmaceutical companies are not bad, many dedicate their lives in attempts to improve yours...doesn't always work though

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I didn't say nor suggest "all Dr's are bad", I'm saying that they are trained to treat symptoms rather than cure because of the power/influence/control over medicine from the ground up from Big Pharma. Who's the biggest contributor to the medical dept's of Universities & colleges?
Traditionally, in a Chinese village, there is a Dr who's responsible for your health. The Dr is trained to detect a predisposition to a condition BEFORE your ill. If you get sick the Dr hasn't done his job. Big Pharma on the other hand...

I'm not suggesting that the Pharmaceutical industry is run by Monty Burns, but it may as well be.

It's the industries ethos that casts a toxic cloud of contempt over it's reputation. How many different medications are there? How many actually cure something? Anti-venom is all I can think. Many medications make conditions worse [Ask a diabetic how well they're doing since taking their meds. Most die minus a limb after years of unpleasant side-effects from their 'medicine'.] or are completely useless [INDEPENDENT studies prove that Statins commonly used to treat high blood pressure, does bugger-all, for example.] Despite trillions of wasted dollars on cancer research, the bastards still beg for more. 'Research' is a self sustaining industry. How many times have I heard that researchers are close to 'a medical breakthrough' & if only the public could donate more money blahblahf@ckingblah. I'm still waiting for ONE return on the money.

Big Pharma is not interested in curing anything. It's an industry that treats the symptom not the cause. We will never have a cure for cancer from Big Pharma unless it involves taking a pill every day for the rest of your life.

Alzheimers disease is a good example. Study after study show a link between aluminium in the human body & Alzheimers. Rather than following this line of inquiry, they're looking for a drug that'll counteract the effects of aluminium. Meanwhile they ignore the high levels of aluminium within the flu vaccines [that protects you, maybe, from last years flu strain that will have mutated the next time it passes you by] that is targeted at the very group most susceptible to Alzeimers! The elderly. It is sheer lunacy. The only benefit from flu vaccines, imo, are to the shareholders of the Pharma company.

Big Pharma is pressuring politicians with billions of dollars worldwide, to have the natural health industry regulated. Every single vitamin maker would have to spend millions of dollars to test/trial on every vitamin they make if the Governments cave into the bribes..er.. I mean contributions.

Look at what those within the Med/Pharma industry did to the Canadian Dr Royal Rife who cured nearly every cancer patient he treated [every one of them had been sent home to die after conventional treatment.] Sorry I don't know how to link but it's well worth googling to read. If not for Big Medicine, aided & abetted by Big Pharma, did what they could to destroy this mans vital work. And they succeeded. Anyone who's had to endure witnessing a loved one die writhing in pain from cancer would be very angry & distressed to know that there was a cure over 80 years ago, a cure denied through greed, ego's, arrogance & a sheer disregard for humanity as a whole. Instead of a Nobel peace prize the poor man was driven to drink, literally, by the outrageous attack on his reputation.

Dandelion root powder cures most cancers [google; Dandelion root powder cancer tutor] If I know this then I'm positive the medical researchers must.
There's evidence that marijuana cures cancer.
There are many other examples so why hasn't one Big Pharma researcher pursued any of these lines of inquiry? Because a plant can't be patented [which is why that other industry that sets the moral standards for all big business, the Big Chem industry like Monsanto, is teaming up with Big Pharma to create patentable Frankenstein plants. [boy oh boy I can hardly wait!]

Take 2 groups of cancer patients. Give one group the treatment the Dr's prescribe, the other group do nothing. What do you think the difference in survival rate after 5 years? There is none. Now some may argue that chemo etc extends a life, even if it's a year or two.
My best mate died nearly 20years ago from pancreatic cancer. He had been sent home to die, given 3months max. But Mick was a fighter, had a rich & fulfilling life, recently engaged to a lovely girl, had everything to live for so he went down swinging. He accepted a new chemo technique from 2 bright young Docs determined to make a difference. I sat & tried to talk to Mick for over 4hours while he retched into a bowl. The next day he was still chundering. He spewed for over 50 hours straight. Up until then his pain had been relatively bearable, controlled by opiates. He was still involved. His only fear was being alone so we made sure he was never on his own. We spent days debating every little thing. He still had some quality of life. After the treatment there were no further discussions or debate. Mick was never the same again. He died 9months later, gaining six extra months, 6months of pain & confusion. If Mick was my dog I would've shot him out of love. It was a tragedy, the treatment turned him into a shell of a man, mentally & physically. [R.I.P. Mick, you better be waiting for me when it's my 'turn'. haha]

Any man or women who actively hinders the release of a cure to relieve anothers suffering, is in my book, Evil. [Hey, if finMcbumshag can use Capital letters....]

The ethos of the pharmaceutical industry is an excellent reflection of what is wrong with our beautiful world. 'Fuck humanity, money rules!' That, to my mind, is also Evil.


P.S. Most of my sources of info are from over 20years of Nexus magazine articles

So you got a vac on the way Epi? How much?

3cfm, two stage. (originally 135.99) Harborfreight.com. Heres the thing...I have this habit of googling "website name and coupon code 2013" blah blah every time I checkout from a site now, HABRBOR FREIGHT HAD, at least at the time I checked out, a 25% off code available on a random coupon code website. I used it, and it did work. So some random website for coupon codes seriously, being real here, got me to $105.00 roughly when I actually checked out. For a great two stage pump. Arriving tmrw apparently so says Fedex tracking . Got my Wax-Tek BHO tube in this morning when I opened my door, seems like christmas!! After tmrw, tane and bud are constant.

Thanks a bunch for the tip Twitch, just got my Wax-Tek glass tube in the mail today and man am I happy about it.

Wow, that's cheap for a pump, have you got a link? $105 with delivery? Your in the U.S. Epi? Was the pump shipped from within the U.S. or China?
I was considering a hand pump until I can afford a decent pump in the new year [Car bills] but $105 delivered? I can do that.

My ss tube is 1 & 1/2" wide. Regardless of length, my next tubes will be 1" wide. Have you seen Guzius 1's ss tubes? [page 157-9 HBO with Vacuum oil/wax tutorial] They look 3-4 foot long & hold 215grams.

You'll have to give me a report as to it's quality & functionability post haste. Oh, & the link for the pump thanks.