LED Noobs, STOP Buying China Junk

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mudballs

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just bought 2 of these $4.51 free shipping


http://m.aliexpress.com/item/1938197672.html

seeing is believing.
just received order from china. they're as bright as 60w incandescent and i'm about to replace every single light in my house with these.as for growing i wouldn't waste the time setting 20 of these things up, sticking with hid. but man compared to the $7.00 home depot wants per led they can suck my ass. i just paid $4.51 for 2 with free shipping. go china! wonder what else i can find on aliexpress.
5 stars and those are just the 15w.
 

nomofatum

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just received order from china. they're as bright as 60w incandescent and i'm about to replace every single light in my house with these.as for growing i wouldn't waste the time setting 20 of these things up, sticking with hid. but man compared to the $7.00 home depot wants per led they can suck my ass. i just paid $4.51 for 2 with free shipping. go china! wonder what else i can find on aliexpress.
5 stars and those are just the 15w.
It's crazy the weird shit you find. If shipping isn't free I always look at their store to see what else might be interesting. I bought LEDs and found Frozen knockoff's for a gift for the little girl.

If you need a water pump check the ZC-A40 out. I'm in love with that thing. It can lift higher than any of my other water pumps (except the big transfer pump) including ones at 10x it's price. I just ordered a ZC-T40 hoping it's the same pump just with threads for my future water cooling setup.
 
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Abiqua

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just received order from china. they're as bright as 60w incandescent and i'm about to replace every single light in my house with these.as for growing i wouldn't waste the time setting 20 of these things up, sticking with hid. but man compared to the $7.00 home depot wants per led they can suck my ass. i just paid $4.51 for 2 with free shipping. go china! wonder what else i can find on aliexpress.
5 stars and those are just the 15w.
Have you shocked your shit yet? I did once, thru these in the trash. 2 years ago.....

You pay for what you get. Out of 300w's or so of the Cree bulbs I have NEVER had a single one go out yet or have burned out diodes [unlike just about every cheap kind, ask me]. Also have some going on 1.5 years of constant 18 hour use....my results speak WAY different! :peace:
 

nomofatum

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Have you shocked your shit yet? I did once, thru these in the trash. 2 years ago.....

You pay for what you get. Out of 300w's or so of the Cree bulbs I have NEVER had a single one go out yet or have burned out diodes [unlike just about every cheap kind, ask me]. Also have some going on 1.5 years of constant 18 hour use....my results speak WAY different! :peace:
The numbers (volts/ma) don't sound that bad compared to what I have been shocked with. How did it feel? Worst for me was a GMC Jimmy's coil (something like 60,000v, 0.000001a) ouch, couldn't sleep for 36 hours.

I think he will be ok, his show a glass/plastic globe to protect from that risk.
 

Abiqua

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The numbers (volts/ma) don't sound that bad compared to what I have been shocked with. How did it feel? Worst for me was a GMC Jimmy's coil (something like 60,000v, 0.000001a) ouch, couldn't sleep for 36 hours.

I think he will be ok, his show a glass/plastic globe to protect from that risk.
Do I put you ignore NOW or Later? Are we a babysitting service now? I thought 30 year olds were grown adults. :peace:

Thanks StardustSailor........

Clifford D. Ferris
22.1.1 Introduction
Human tissues, such as the skin and the muscles, as well as blood and other body fluids are classified as
electrolytes. Consequently, they are electrical conductors that may be characterized in terms of ohmic
resistances. Electric potential differences applied across human tissues, or at two locations on the external
skin surface, generate response currents.

Electric shock can be divided into two classes: microshock and macroshock. Microshock describes an
internal shock that may occur as a consequence of certain medical diagnostic procedures (such as cardiac
catheterization) or surgical procedures inwhichelectrically operated sensors are introducedintothehuman
body. Electric current levels associated with microshock range from 10 to 100 μA. This phenomenon is
specific to medical procedures and will not be addressed further in this chapter.
Macroshock, or simply electric shock, describes simultaneous contact between the body surface and
two electrical conductors at different potentials, and the physiological consequences of this contact. The
two conductors may be a hot conductor and ground, or two hot conductors, such as two of the phase wires
in a three-phase power distribution system.

The severity of the consequences of electric shock depends on a variety of factors. The physiological
effects of electrical shock are not produced by electric potential (voltage) per se, but rather by the electric
current that is driven by the potential difference that is applied externally to the body surface.Consequently,
the combined effective electrical resistance of the body volume involved and the intimacy (surface area
and pressure) of the skin-conductor contact have a major effect on the severity of electric shock. The
paths through the body that the shock currents take determine the potential seriousness of the shock.

Generally speaking, current paths that do not include the head or main trunk of the body are not fatal,
although permanent damage may be produced in the formof scars, nerve ormuscle impairment resulting
in partially or fully paralyzed limbs, and loss of limbs. Electric shock currents that pass through the chest
in the region of the heart or lungs may cause death, either by direct effect on the heart, or by paralysis
of the nerves that control the breathing diaphragm. Severe electric shocks to the head may cause death
or permanent brain damage. As illustrated in Fig. 22.1, the two most dangerous current paths are from
hand-to-hand, and hand-to-foot (especially left hand to left foot) since the current passes through the
chest and potentially through the heart.

Response to electric shock is subjective to some extent, with both physiological and psychological
components. The condition of the skin surfaces that come into contact with the electrical conductors is
an important factor. For example, if an adult grasps the probes of a digital ohmmeter tightly between the
thumb and forefinger of each hand, the resistance displayed will vary widely among individuals. Those
individuals who use their hands in activities that build up callouses may produce resistance readings on
the order of 1 or 2 M when the hands are dry, and perhaps 100 k when the hands are wet. Other
individuals with soft and pliant skin may register 5–10 k with dry hands and significantly lower values
when the hands are moist or wet.
If the ohmmeter is powered by a 9-V battery, the maximum possible
current sustained in the1-Mcase is 9μA, whereas it is 0.9mAwhen the resistance is 10 k(a thousandfold
increase).

The sensation experienced by individuals exposed to the same low level of electric shock varies widely.
Reported sensations range from buzzing, tingling (pins and needles), to burning or a jolt. The emotional
state of the individual at the time that the shock was received and the body location of the shock also
influence response. Shock response tends to be amplified in persons who are tense. If the shock site is
near a nerve or nerve ending that is close to the surface of the skin, the perceived intensity of the shock is
also amplified. A parallel situation is bumping one’s elbow and triggering the funny-bone response. The
physiological consequences of electric shock at different current levels (rms) for alternating current at
60 Hz are presented in Table 22.1. Threshold levels are shown. Refer to the section on Physiological Effects
for additional information.

There are various secondary effects of electric shock that can cause serious injury even if the shock itself
has produced no direct physiological damage. As with any sudden and unexpected sensory stimulus, the
startle reflex may be triggered causing the person to fall down, flail limbs, drop objects, or otherwise sustain
injury. High potentials, especially those produced by the discharge of a high-voltage capacitor, can induce
severe and generalized muscle contractions of sufficient intensity to propel an individual across a room.
Because of the violence of the reaction, the person may sustain serious bone fractures (or even death) as a
consequence of physical impact with objects in the trajectory path from the site of the shock. Even if the
victim does not collide with an object, the force of the muscle contractions alone resulting from electrical
shock may fracture spinal vertebrae or cause a shoulder dislocation.
 

Abiqua

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The numbers (volts/ma) don't sound that bad compared to what I have been shocked with. How did it feel? Worst for me was a GMC Jimmy's coil (something like 60,000v, 0.000001a) ouch, couldn't sleep for 36 hours.

I think he will be ok, his show a glass/plastic globe to protect from that risk.
Are you one of those people who has now problem smoking around gas? Honest question.....
 

Ace Yonder

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Have you shocked your shit yet? I did once, thru these in the trash. 2 years ago.....

You pay for what you get. Out of 300w's or so of the Cree bulbs I have NEVER had a single one go out yet or have burned out diodes [unlike just about every cheap kind, ask me]. Also have some going on 1.5 years of constant 18 hour use....my results speak WAY different! :peace:
The bulbs in that video are an older style that has no protective casing to prevent contact with exposed solder points. It is literally impossible to do with the bulbs he got unless he removes the protective cover, and there is no reason to do that unless you WANT to shock yourself. Plus, in most american homes, lethally shocking yourself from a power outlet is impossible, they covered it on an episode of myth-busters, there are breakers in the wall that will kill the socket if the draw exceeds a certain amount. Hence, if you say, drop a toaster in the tub, or put a fork in a socket, you will get a nasty kick, but the power will cut before you receive anything close to a lethal dose. Now, if you are working on an industrial socket or something without a limiter you could(I don't know what building codes are like in different countries, maybe 220V european sockets aren't limited), that's a different story, but most sockets these lights will be plugged into are designed to prevent any serious harm.
 

nomofatum

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Are you one of those people who has now problem smoking around gas? Honest question.....
A gas spill no way, a gas can, np. If I had a problem with smoking near a gas can I couldn't smoke while riding the lawn mower, that is as close as a gas can should ever get to you. You can put a cig out in liquid gasoline without issue.
 

PSUAGRO.

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just received order from china. they're as bright as 60w incandescent and i'm about to replace every single light in my house with these.as for growing i wouldn't waste the time setting 20 of these things up, sticking with hid. but man compared to the $7.00 home depot wants per led they can suck my ass. i just paid $4.51 for 2 with free shipping. go china! wonder what else i can find on aliexpress.
5 stars and those are just the 15w.

Those home depot bulbs (Cree)have a ten year warranty......get back to us in 10 months if both of the cheapos are still working........doubt it.

Learned this the hard way with those POS ecosmart led bulbs ......all failed prematurely. replaced with philips/cree and have had one failure(out of ten) due to a bad dimmer in over two years. Walked in HD and got a new replacement; no questions asked......better than a "long boat" warranty....lol.

Bad/no heatsink design is usually the culprit.......the reason I would also not suggest buying the new cheaper cree "4flow" bulbs.

Abiqua knows what's up...........others do not

be safe growers
 

OnlyFractured

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just received order from china. they're as bright as 60w incandescent and i'm about to replace every single light in my house with these.as for growing i wouldn't waste the time setting 20 of these things up, sticking with hid. but man compared to the $7.00 home depot wants per led they can suck my ass. i just paid $4.51 for 2 with free shipping. go china! wonder what else i can find on aliexpress.
5 stars and those are just the 15w.
You must have got the good ones then. I ordered three of the 15w from the same place I think (buybay through aliexpress). They're running at somewhere betwen 2 and 3 watts each (my kill a watt truncates the decimal) and are no where near as bright as a 60w incandescent. They aren't as bright as a 40w incandescent in fact. Maybe they're selling them as 15 watt equivalent:)
 

mudballs

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You must have got the good ones then. I ordered three of the 15w from the same place I think (buybay through aliexpress). They're running at somewhere betwen 2 and 3 watts each (my kill a watt truncates the decimal) and are no where near as bright as a 60w incandescent. They aren't as bright as a 40w incandescent in fact. Maybe they're selling them as 15 watt equivalent:)
i didn't use my voltmeter or lux meter but in my kitchen the two in my light rail look really really close to the 60w incans. they look great to me.
 

DiyKindaGuy

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Maybe yu could take pic of the led vs incandescent that way we could all see the difference thanks muddyballs

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mudballs

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Maybe yu could take pic of the led vs incandescent that way we could all see the difference thanks muddyballs

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sure man

the 2 on the bottom of the image are the cob lights. i did run my lux meter on them and the 60w incans run 160lux at 1ft. the cobs run 107lux at 1ft. i'll probably look for 18w for next purchase. and to those talking about 20yr warranty, i live in the country 33 miles from home depot. i'm better off buying 10 of these than driving to HD. i will report any failures tho hope they last.
 

PSUAGRO.

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sure man

the 2 on the bottom of the image are the cob lights. i did run my lux meter on them and the 60w incans run 160lux at 1ft. the cobs run 107lux at 1ft. i'll probably look for 18w for next purchase. and to those talking about 20yr warranty, i live in the country 33 miles from home depot. i'm better off buying 10 of these than driving to HD. i will report any failures tho hope they last.
Does your car/truck get 5mpg or you drive slower than 10mph?..........I don't get the logic........maybe I'm just stupid:dunce:
 

mudballs

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Does your car/truck get 5mpg or you drive slower than 10mph?..........I don't get the logic........maybe I'm just stupid:dunce:
i get 20ish mpg. so it costs me $9.00 there and back plus cost of light, now if one goes bad i have to pay $9.00 there and back again warranty or not that's fkn stupid compared to $2.25ea. delivered.yes you're on the edge of earning that hat
 

PSUAGRO.

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i get 20ish mpg. so it costs me $9.00 there and back plus cost of light, now if one goes bad i have to pay $9.00 there and back again warranty or not that's fkn stupid compared to $2.25ea. delivered.yes you're on the edge of earning that hat
Ha, awesome.........better go find my hat then.

Btw a gallon of gas is currently $2.59 in the Philly area, not that it matters.

Keep your receipt from China, gonna need it.......that's a REALLY LONG drive I've been told..
 

REALSTYLES

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Ha, awesome.........better go find my hat then.

Btw a gallon of gas is currently $2.59 in the Philly area, not that it matters.

Keep your receipt from China, gonna need it.......that's a REALLY LONG drive I've been told..
Not to be a dick but I just bought Cree CXA3590 and it says china on it. There is alot of china junk out there but sometimes you gotta take the risk to find out. The sad thing is almost everything is made in chine from clothes to shoes. Nike, Adidas and what about the Nike Jordans how much are they? Just stop if he wants to spend his money on those bulbs let him. I won't be buying anymore pre made shit. It's all DIY for now on.
 
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