Led Growing Is The Way Of The Future My Friends

kentrugrolights said:

you are right if it is a small space you can grow and flower with leds i put 11 plants under 1 600watt led and 1 1000hps my lights gave me 650gams for hps and 450gams for leds i have my own buss. so i grow with my lights and test them leds in my veg room do real well .i have 4 300watt leds 1 120watt and one i made 2x4 light in veg they do great in floweing i put 3 600watt leds the buds were smaller but the thc looked like snow on the buds to get the bigger yield i put 2 1000hps i put the plants under the leds frist for 1 mon. them push them uder the 1000hps to give the bigger yield the leds come 110v you replace the pulg with a 220v plug the 600 leds will pull 2amps 300 pull 1.5amps the price is 750.00 for a 300watt and 950.00 for a 600watt i use all the lights i sell

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BLATANT shilling and just plain stupid talk...your saying you'd have to spend SIX GRAND on lights to PARTIALLY flower your plants? Get the fuck out of town man.

EDIT: 1000th post! Yeah, suck yourself!

EDIT #2: And I dont diss LED's anymore btw, Id love them to beat HPS (cost wise, functionality, etc), but 6 grand for something when your gonna finish the plants under a 1000w HPS anyways, combined with the shilling, sorry, but fuck that.

I'm guessing he sells them....

Read the end of his quote I posted above.

manfish said:

Actually someone did a comparison between led's and mh & hps...identical grow rooms...identical plants...same light schedule...same nutes...EVERYTHING totally identical...there was no appreciable difference in plant size...quality or yeild...the big difference was cost of electricity for the mh and the hps versus the led's, and of course the price of the led grow lights

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i think thats a bold faced lie.

pics, or it never happened.

stop spreading Bullshit.

max316420 said:

LED's don't even work good for house plants let alone a high intensity light loving plant like cannabis so whoever said they saw a side by side comparison of led's to hps is full of bs, LED's can't even compare to HPS or MH.. but I'm a stoner so what do I really know?

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I've grown with both hps and LED. didn't have enough money to get two 400w mh's so i got 2 grow panel 45 leds's and 1 400w mh., and now have three panels.
Well been using them both for about 3 yrs. They work fine to me. For both veg and flowering. I actually get more aroma/smell from the leds. I think i read that's because the led's dont burn the oils cause theres no direct heat? anyway no noticeable difference between my hps and the LEDS. Plus with leds though I'm assured
my apartment wont catch fire while I'm at work lol. That thought always makes me want to turn my hps off. :X

The Stig said:

LEDs used to have the problems that they lack in light penetration, but with the new 3w leds that seems to be solve

I have a friend that is replacing his HID with high quality led and his actually getting better results than using 1000w hids

the only problem is that you need to spend around $1500/2000 per 3'x3' area if you really want to get awesome results, or you can go cheap with some blackstars and still get a decent quality (if you already got everything else right)


besides the overprice initial cost if you get really good leds they will pay for them selves, it's amazing how much electricity they can save.. also the heat is incredibly reduced (compared to hids)

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it would take you at the least, several years to even begin to recoup that $ with power savings.

led evangalists, you need a lesson in basic physics... power in = power out, less wattage = less light, less light = less available potential energy..... less potential = less of a plant...

stop spreading Bullshit.

Runbyhemp said:

LED is just not there yet. I've done lots of research and followed dozens of grow journals. LEDS are decent for vegging but do not have proper penetration for flowering. Most of the LED growers will admit this themselves. I am yet to see any evidence that suggests otherwise. I'm an open minded kind of guy and would love to see evidence if you could provide it. http://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=185114

PS. I am neither old guy or noob. Just because I only have a few posts here does not mean I am a noob. I have been growing for years and have been a member of many forums, just not this one.

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Same here......

when lumatek or any of the other top lighting manufactures come out with them, I will believe l.e.d's have reached perfection, until then, it is just a bunch of little guys with big claims.

VICTORYGARDENSHYDRO said:

when lumatek or any of the other top lighting manufactures come out with them, I will believe l.e.d's have reached perfection, until then, it is just a bunch of little guys with big claims.

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Big claims mostly made from generic Chinese crap aswell!

I know some of the biggest online and retail hydro store owners in the business. I sat down with him a few months back and he ranted and raved why LEDs will never make it.
The cost to performance ratio will never get to a point that it will be worth it. High wattage small LED bulbs have to come down significantly and he doesn't see that happening until it's too late.
By then Plasma lighting will be the next big thing, give it about 10 more years, maybe less

Dub

IAm5toned said:

it would take you at the least, several years to even begin to recoup that $ with power savings.

led evangalists, you need a lesson in basic physics... power in = power out, less wattage = less light, less light = less available potential energy..... less potential = less of a plant...

stop spreading Bullshit.

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You're a bit wrong and right there. Lets say we have a true 100w LED from a great company, and a 100w HPS from a great company. The 100w LED will wipe the floor with the 100w HPS because it has focused reflecting lens on every LED, light production is spread over a greater area, wavelengths are all targeted so no power is wasted on useless spectrums and lots of heat like with HID.

You can definitely grow more plant with less power using LED, I'd say half as much power as HID if you get it from one of the best LED companies. It also seems from people that go with the better companies for their LED panels, they report that their finished bud is of a higher quality. My 395w LED panel (252x3w LEDs + 6x3w fans), is definitely kicking more ass than my 400w Super HPS with digital ballast was doing (much better penetration, WAY more trichomes). I've never grown with a 600w HID but I imagine its at least as good as one with how much better it is than my 400. But the thing set me back $1100 (give or take $50), I don't mind because it will easily recoup its costs with the first harvest, and there is so much less heat (25% as much or less I'd say).

Unfortunately I won't be saving that much money because the panel uses 395w and I suppose a 400w + a digital ballast isn't that much more. I should have only gotten perhaps a 290w, because with the panel I have its 62w of uber LED per square foot and i probably only needed 35w which yeah works out to needing about half as much wattage with good LED as with good HPS

so i read all this crap and alot more and i dont understand..........i can veg with a three dollar cfl...........if it dont make buds its junk..........good luck selling lights

Yah man, just get some t5's for veg and a HPS for flower. $1100 and I could outfit a 3k watt grow and have a whole veg room with T5's
LED's cost to performance ratio is horrible.

jdizzle22 said:

You're a bit wrong and right there. Lets say we have a true 100w LED from a great company, and a 100w HPS from a great company. The 100w LED will wipe the floor with the 100w HPS because it has focused reflecting lens on every LED, light production is spread over a greater area, wavelengths are all targeted so no power is wasted on useless spectrums and lots of heat like with HID.

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I think we should stick to the real world. That is never the case and you're leaving out a very important part of the equation. The cost of the lamp. Your 100W LED would be several times more expensive to start off with.

jdizzle22 said:

You can definitely grow more plant with less power using LED, I'd say half as much power as HID if you get it from one of the best LED companies. It also seems from people that go with the better companies for their LED panels, they report that their finished bud is of a higher quality. My 395w LED panel (252x3w LEDs + 6x3w fans), is definitely kicking more ass than my 400w Super HPS with digital ballast was doing (much better penetration, WAY more trichomes).

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Sorry man, I have to call BS on more trichromes.. Not that HPS has more but I really don't think your type of light effects that. That's your nutes and strain.

jdizzle22 said:

I've never grown with a 600w HID but I imagine its at least as good as one with how much better it is than my 400. But the thing set me back $1100 (give or take $50), I don't mind because it will easily recoup its costs with the first harvest, and there is so much less heat (25% as much or less I'd say).

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1100 bucks recouped in one run? Are you kidding me? When people say 'recouped' it's in savings over your harvest.. how could you have saved 1100 bucks.. there is no way in hell a 600w would cost 1100 bucks to run for one cycle..

jdizzle22 said:

Unfortunately I won't be saving that much money because the panel uses 395w and I suppose a 400w + a digital ballast isn't that much more. I should have only gotten perhaps a 290w, because with the panel I have its 62w of uber LED per square foot and i probably only needed 35w which yeah works out to needing about half as much wattage with good LED as with good HPS

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Was this last part just double talk?

Here is how it works....

1000W eqivilant in LED's 600-1100 bucks easy.

800 bucks in HID's get's you 2 600W systems.

1000W eq LED get's you 2lb per lamp (you wish)

2 600's get you 3 lbs (do able by most people)

3lb > 2lb HID wins for less money and the extra lb will pay for the extra power, and the lamps. That's 'recouped'. You're still a lb shy and spent more on your light to save 60-100 bucks total in power..

Next run, same thing. 3 vs 2.. you'll never ever catch up. I'll always have more product and that will pay for all my power with money to spare. I'll be racking profits while you're still paying off your lamp.

The problem is that weed is worth too much and power is relatively cheap. Weed would have to drop down to 8 bucks an oz or power would have to sky rocket up to 8 bucks a kWh for LED to start to save you money.. Feel free to do what I did years ago. Break out an excel sheet and work the numbers and extrapolate that over years keeping in mind the value of the crop and the start up cost. HID's at this time win hands down over and over again.

You can't market economy to drag racers..

Yeah I didn't mean recoup the 1100 in savings because I'm using less power (because I'm using too much for my space), I meant if I were to sell what it grows its first run at street/retail value it would be easy to get that 1100 back and more the first harvest with it. Yeah LED will cost a lot more to start with, the cheapest I've seen for true wattage including fans for a decent panel is $1.8 per watt upfront with Blackstar, while most stay under $3. How can you say light wouldn't affect trichomes though? If there is a difference in MH/HPS because of the differen't wavelengths and that makes one better than the other for flowering, how can you say that an LED can't be better because it targets specific wavelengths and doesn't waste any power on useless ones like MH/HS? I agree that nutes and strain are the biggest part, but the quality of the light is a big factor to because the plant can't grow without good light!

I'm not trying to fool anyone, I'm just tired and probably not explaining as clearly as I could. What I should have done instead of spending 1100 on a 395 was spending $500 for a 180w or $700 for a 290w, either would have been more appropriate for the size of my tent (and thus saved me a lot more money in the long run).

Power isnt a issue in grows of our size or smaller. You would have to run a 600 watt equivelent LED for a couple years to offset the costs. And the performance of those LED aren't there yet to even justiy it. My grow with a 1k and all the accessories, chiller, dehumidifier, etc costs maybe $60 a month.... What's $60 a month when I can do 20-24 oz every 70 days? To outfit my tent for LED it would cost $3k to get the lumens that the 1k light puts out. Shit man, you would have to run your grow about 5 years plus 20 harvests to offset the costs. And the performance still isn't comparable... Pretty stupid if you ask me....

Dub

I don't know.. what came first the chicken or the egg?

HPS is use in flowering and trichromes mature later in flowering.. Is it the light or the plant? I think it's the plant.. otherwise anyone that used a MH for flowering would never mature. Good light = a healthy plant. A healthy plant with good genetics will have lots of trichomes.

The wavelengths have to do with chlorophyll and stuff like that. All that's trying to do is make energy for the plant. The light is not segmented off to areas for trichomes or smell.. It's all just energy at that point. LED's angle is that they don't waste energy making wavelengths are are not as useful. They are not useless.. Sometime I feel like a electrical engineer opened up a high school biology text book and read.. "Chlorophyll absorbs light most strongly in the blue portion of the electromagnetic spectrum, followed by the red portion." but read is as ONLY those two.. It's not only those two.. those two are just the most sensitive. Just like plant nutrients are not just NPK (they use to think that) almost all the spectrum is use with green being the most reflected. Also, keep in mind that even HIDs can't hold a candle to the sun and that's what plants have evolved over billions of years to use.

TDM said:

A few years yet befor LED has breakthrough to acutually compare with results of MH or HPS. Just not there, despite claims.
On the other hand, its the lighting of choice when your grow area is limited, such as small apartment or closest.

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LED compares with MH right now. I've replaced my 1000w mh with a 350led and it works great. I'm not convinced they'll replace hps's any time soon though.

Even if LED's are more efficient per watt, they still seem to produce smaller buds. If you're trying to maximize space, LED's aren't the way to go for flowering.

Also saying a 400w HPS and a 600w HPS are similar is ludacris man, a 600w HPS puts out double the light of a 400w.

Also, Iv read alot of people saying they use like 200 3w LEDs but only pull like 280w of power...whats the point of the 3w LEDs then?

EDIT: Must be a shitty 1000w MH you have...

Harrekin said:

EDIT: Must be a shitty 1000w MH you have...

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Not really. It's pretty standard. galaxy ballast /w hortilux eye bulb.

The plants grow a little more bizarre. You'll get branches that grow strait sideways rather than up, but that doesn't really hurt anything. I actually like the node spacing better with the LED.

The right LED works just fine if all you're doing is vegging.