*any links/sites to this comparison grow? LED does look like the future of indoor setups (but at the moment its still under par compared to HIDs, imho)
Blackstar units tend to run on only 55% the wattage their namesake would imply, so your friends blackstar is about 330w of LED compared to your 600w HPS (and in my opinion not the best 330w of LED there is). You can bet though he would whoop you good if he had 600w of actual 3w LED blackstar light. I feel my own :LED which actually uses 395w into 252 3w diodes and 6 fans to be at least as good as a 600w HPS
LED is just not there yet. I've done lots of research and followed dozens of grow journals. LEDS are decent for vegging but do not have proper penetration for flowering. Most of the LED growers will admit this themselves. I am yet to see any evidence that suggests otherwise. I'm an open minded kind of guy and would love to see evidence if you could provide it.
I suggest you look up Irishboy's grows then here and on 420, he won bud of the month under a LED, the thing was the size of a soda bottle...a large one!!
Why should I have a guilty conscience, I've done nothing wrong
it seems to look that way doesn't it LOL ...... it seems like ya spend about a buck a watt for HID and 2 to 3 bucks a watt for LED and i still haven't seen any LED grows that really rock unless they where grown by a pro.Why should I have a guilty conscience, I've done nothing wrong
In response to your post I was only clarifying I was not a member of either group you referred to .. ie noob or old timer, so as my opinion would not be ridiculed, as it seems you take neither group seriously
PS ... I've looked at both journals and lets just say I'm not convinced. Googled Irishboy too and see same stuff on lots of forums, all starting off with link to where he got the lights. Why is it neccessary to post same thing on so many forums ? Sounds suspiciously like sales pitch to me.
You should be able to find a grow journal or two on here regarding Irishboy, I'll let you do the leg work yourself but it is well worth it, once you see his results you will look at LED very differently, but either way unless you have tried them you don't really have an informed opinion about them.Why should I have a guilty conscience, I've done nothing wrong
In response to your post I was only clarifying I was not a member of either group you referred to .. ie noob or old timer, so as my opinion would not be ridiculed, as it seems you take neither group seriously
PS ... I've looked at both journals and lets just say I'm not convinced. Googled Irishboy too and see same stuff on lots of forums, all starting off with link to where he got the lights. Why is it neccessary to post same thing on so many forums ? Sounds suspiciously like sales pitch to me.
What I heard about that was he and others would talk of their bad experiences with certain LED companies that started becoming Sponsors and so someone got banned and then a bunch of people left. I don't think Irish is on anyone's pay roll, I've been following him and his buddies and talking with GLH since september and from what Irish would tell me and Mike from GLH (I doubt they work together, one knows more about LED tech than the other), and I've definitely seen everyone with GLH lights do pretty well (at least 4 different people and 8-10 total grows). You're right, it isn't worth the expense for most people at this point, I've seen enough to convince me that the best LED > MH/HPS (don't know about plasma or other exotics) but that for people who are already established growers with lots of equipment, the only reason to make the move is for heat/electrical consumption issues. With how likely people are still to be raided, professionally on a large scale I wouldn't go LED either (even if its better which some don't think it is, it might not pay for itself in savings before you get busted by the DEA). I imagine people will be more willing to fork over lots of $$$ for LED when there is less fear of getting raided or caught and that expense going down the drain before it paid for itself (although if you grow right you should always be able to grow enough with an LED to generate enough $$$ in sales to cover it)
