i've crossed over to cfl

blaaah

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Kevlin (K) (2100k-6400) and thats the temp its burning at lol thats why a 6400k is cooler than a 2100k bulb no matter the watts
Im not too familiar with fluorescent lights, but in logic compared to an incandescent light a 6400k would be physically hotter hence higher number. Think of it this way, what happens when you dim a light? It turns a much warmer color. If you apply more power to it, it will becomes a much more cool white color and becomes physically hotter. But then again I may be wrong as fluorescent may not use the same physics as incandescent.

Btw, a watt is a unit of power. Watts = Volts x Amps
 

StinkBud

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watt is power not heat thats all im saying
You got it Bro!

Watts = Voltage x Current.

I hate to barge in on this thread but It seems like a little education might help here. It's boring stuff so you don't have to read it. If you would rather watch cartoons I understand. I'll try to keep things simple.

Voltage is a measurement of the potential of electricity, current is the actual flow. Voltage don't mean shit, current is the big daddy! That's why you can weld steel with a 12 volt car battery but you won't die if you get shocked with thousands of volts of static electricity. A car battery has the potential for high current but the voltage is low. On the other hand, static electricity may measure thousands of volts but the current is very weak.

Think of it like a water faucet. Voltage is the size of the hose. A 1" diameter hose would have more potential for water flow than a 1/2" hose.

Current is how much you turn the faucet on. What happens if you have a huge hose but barely turn the valve on? No water. Same thing goes if you have a small hose but turn the faucet on all the way. Still not a lot of water.

For power (watts) you need both voltage and current. A big hose turned all the way on will give you maximum water.

So... Voltage (volts) x Current (amps) = Power (watts)

Watts has nothing to do with heat what so ever. Watts is a measurement of electrical power, heat is measured by temperature(duh). Although it's safe to assume that a high wattage light will produce a lot of heat.

Now, on to Watts vs. lumens. They are not directly related. Some lights are more efficient than other. They produce more light (lumens) with less power (watts).

The amount of light is more important than the color of the light. That's why you can grow bigger plants, faster with a large 1000W HPS even though the color of a 65W CFL might be better. So can you have 10-100 watt CFLs works as well as 1-1000 watt HID light? For clones and veg, yes. You can keep the lights right on the canopy.

Which brings us to the issue of distance of the light source from the plants. Basically the further the light is away, the more light you loose. You can keep CFLs a couple of inches away from the plants which is fine when the plant is 2 inches tall. What happens when your plants are three feet tall? The fact is CFL's are fine for cuttings and veg but if you want the dank, rock hard, sweetness you need some serious light. Once the plants start getting a couple of feet high you need the penetration of an HID light.

If all you can afford is CFL lights then go for it! You are always better off smoking herb from a light source that you actually own, than NOT smoking herb from the best light that you don't own. Start saving up for a HID light if you can though. Make sure you get one with a vented hood so you can keep your heat down. Keep your ballast out of the grow space and your temps will be fine. Most new ballasts are switchable from MH to HPS. These are great for those that like to use a MH for veg and a HPS for flower. (I prefer both at the same time myself)

One more thing...
Sometimes it helps to view the author's gallery. It's pretty easy to see if the person knows what's up. Kind of like feedback on Fleabay:mrgreen:.

By the way, I love you all! Sorry to bore you but I'm sitting around smoking pot waiting for a website I designed to be posted...

Good luck on your grow Bro!!! You're doing great!
 

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Pookiedough

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Im using the cfl's now simply because of heat issues and im not terribly disappointed in their performance,for what they are they do great.But I can't wait until fall when I can fire up the hps again and really get down to business.:mrgreen:
 

Stoney McFried

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I used cfls, right up until about last week..in veg and on into flower. I decided since my grow was small, I'd get a 150 watt hps. Its awesome.And my temps, which had been running closer to 90 as the weather warmed up, are ten degrees cooler.My hps is only about 5 inches from the top of my big girl, and no problems so far. I must admit, looking at my buds now, Hps is simply the way to go for flower.
 

On3Tim3OnLy

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THIS IS Y

30w clf has 2000 Lumen intensity (so it cant penetrate the bud deep enough thats why you get reli small buds)
125w Envirolite cfl 12000 Lumen intensity (Envirolites can penetrate bud ok still not great but still with more light it will)
a 400w hps has around 55000 Lumen intensity (hps will penetrate bud great up to 10 ft away)
 

Stoney McFried

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Thanks for the explanation...+ rep!
THIS IS Y

30w clf has 2000 Lumen intensity (so it cant penetrate the bud deep enough thats why you get reli small buds)
125w Envirolite cfl 12000 Lumen intensity (Envirolites can penetrate bud ok still not great but still with more light it will)
a 400w hps has around 55000 Lumen intensity (hps will penetrate bud great up to 10 ft away)
 

xpsonic

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wow back and forth, entertaining nonetheless.

is it popular to call everyone a "noob" nowadays? so if anyone has an opinion or idea and you think its wrong then you're a noob? cause that guy says noob in every sentence.

im sure for posting this, i will be called a noob.

noob noob noob noob noob noob noob noob noob noob ...
 

StinkBud

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wow back and forth, entertaining nonetheless.

is it popular to call everyone a "noob" nowadays? so if anyone has an opinion or idea and you think its wrong then you're a noob? cause that guy says noob in every sentence.
You have to start somewhere! Every vet was a noob at one point in their lives. In surfing/windsurfing/kiteboarding we call them a "kook". Being a noob is the best time of the whole grow experience. It's like learning to walk. Very exciting and humbling at the same time.

I don't really look at being a noobie it as being bad though. Just part of life. Like being a Freshman in school. Or a "boot" in bootcamp.

I would never call someone a noob, kook or boot though because that would be rude. In fact I still feel like a noob even though I've been growing for fourteen years. I'm still learning from my mentor who has been growing for thirty five years. It seems like no matter how much I learn there is always another level yet to be learned. You could spend a lifetime on breeding alone!

The good news is nearly everyone eventually gets past the noobie stage alive.

Peace everyone!
Have a hit of this AK47 with a little piece of blueberry on top for flavor...:joint: mmmm....cherry/blueberry....cough...head rush...:mrgreen: Wake and bake biotch!
 

Dabu

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the only difference between the heat in hps and the heat in cfls is that you spread your heat all about the room with numerous bulbs where as a hps all the heat is concentrated in one location,, making you believe its hotter
AMEN! Read what I just quoted!!!
 

On3Tim3OnLy

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LOL no lol you could put all the cfls at the top and still theres no way its hotter than a HPS wtf
LOL why does anyone saying that lol
 

ocb123

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Has no one ever heard of high output CFLs??
I have used these in the past for grow boxes with upto 3 plants and they worked perfectly, producing around 3 Oz of bud per plant, each time. I supplemented the high outputs with 2 x 20W, 1500 lumen bulbs of a different colour temp to give a good balance.
The 125W bulb can still be touched and handled whilst still on after days on a 24hr light cycle, I know this because I have tried it.

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Hope this helps.
 

zeke907

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and the only reason that is true is because you cant buy cfls that put out the lumens a HPS can... you can go ahead and say that all you want but untill you find a cfl putting out 20000 lumens and grab ahold of the ballast and tell me its not hot i dont believe it... i know how hot my 45 watters get and i couldnt imagine a 250 watt cfl and how fucking hot it would be.... the only difference between the heat in hps and the heat in cfls is that you spread your heat all about the room with numerous bulbs where as a hps all the heat is concentrated in one location,, making you believe its hotter

You hit the nail on the head with this one. HPS is better than CFL for producing nice tight buds. Don't get my wrong CFL's can and will produce buds, just not quite as nice as HPS. And yes cfl's are as hot as hps, but like stated above they are just spread out over a larger area, in turn spreading the heat source over a larger area, but an Hps is more direct heat coming from one source in one area, in turn making it seem hotter. If you have 400 watts of cfl's versus 400 of hps, your room temp will be very similar, and probably harder to cool with all those heat sources spread out with cfl's. But after its all said and done, they both works, and gets the job done. I guess it's a matter of preference, and location. Otherwise, your gonna have to do your own trial and error with that debate. Just my opinions on the matter.
 

JordanTheGreat

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CFl's dont throw out the same amount of heat as hps... just like they cant pump out as much light, or throw that light as far as HPS can. HID's are bigger brighter and hotter...if they weren't im pretty sure nobody would use CFLs because they are just as hot
 
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