HLG vs HGL Side By Side

Who do you think will win?

  • HLG

    Votes: 68 90.7%

  • HydroGrow

    Votes: 7 9.3%
  • Total voters
    75
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rkymtnman

rkymtnman

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Big Perm said:
Well. I guess if I had been paying attention to the Kentucky Derby, I would have caught that one.
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that's why i like @a mongo frog posts, sometimes he goes off on a pretty funny tangent that catches people off guard.

i got my simple syrup made and the mint ready to go for the juleps. need to check what is post time so i don't sit thru the boring shit.
 
Norml56

Norml56

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Too many variables for any of these tests to really prove anything. Free lights are always good tho. A side by side with HLG V1 288's and this 'new' HLG light is what I'd like. See if there is any real reason to keep dropping hundreds of dollars on lights.
 
a mongo frog

a mongo frog

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Norml56 said:
Too many variables for any of these tests to really prove anything. Free lights are always good tho. A side by side with HLG V1 288's and this 'new' HLG light is what I'd like. See if there is any real reason to keep dropping hundreds of dollars on lights.
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The dude grows with all sorts of leds from all sorts of companies. He should be able through the lights anywhere in his grow area and tell you these are grown under this light and these are grown under that light. He has been doing this for years on this site. He is not going to lie and sway results. You must be out side your gosh darn mind kid.
You are trying to be all sexy and elegant, but its not really working......... Whats your sign?
 
HydroGrowLED

HydroGrowLED

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hybridway2 said:
If we only clone 2 plants, about that. Then there's the separate feed & cycle which brings up other problems n just a hassle that could cause a toppling effect on my whole crop. Then the losses would be unbearable. Just not worth it.
But, we'll see how it goes this wknd. I really do want everyone to be happy but w/o compromising my life & main grow to much would be nice.
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If you take clones from the current plants you’ve been vegging, and then move those plants to your other spaces with all you’re other free lights (interesting how you talk about cost when almost all your equipment is free) how exactly are you losing money?

And how does starting new clones (which you do all the time to run a perpetual setup) cause a toppling effect on the rest of your crop? This makes no sense. Your new space is separate from your other cropping areas. New plants in that space won’t impact those in another area. Feeding those plants is no different than any other clones you take, and since you’re not growing hydro and each plant is fed individually, how would this affect anything?

I’m glad you’re clearing up the other variables, but this one still needs to be cleared up and here is why:

Testing (both by independents like yourself and universities) shows that clones root faster with less stress under RB light compared to white light. This means our light will have a proven scientific advantage from literally day one. Right now you have taken this advantage away from us which will skew the outcome of the test (we will still win, just not by such a huge margin)

Your own testing (and many others) have shown that our lights grow more vigorously in veg than anything you’ve ever seen. Every week in veg the difference becomes more pronounced. Our plants grow more compact with tighter internodes, and by the end of a full veg cycle we typically have about double the nodes of competing fixtures (double the bud sites). The less time in veg, the less pronounced the difference will be. So the test would again be skewed against us as we don’t get to see the full bloom-prep difference between the lights. And you’re hurting your own yield by not letting our lights prep the plants properly for bloom.

Who makes the best light is not just about the end yield, it’s about what roots faster, grows faster, grows healthier, gives you the growth characteristics you desire, gives you more nodes, etc... and this test is supposed to showcase all of that.

The more time the plants have under our lights, the larger the margin will be on the final yield. So in reality you’re losing money by not starting over with fresh clones (and you’d be losing equipment too because you’d have to send the lights back at the end of the grow for not following the requirements of the test you agreed to). So if you want to lose out on both yield and the lights you’re going to grow to love, I guess keep doing what you’re doing and telling us all to Chillax. But if you’re smart you’ll cut some new clones and won’t complain about what you’re losing when you’re gaining $3000 in free grow equipment. I’m out money and so is HLG, so why are you complaining?
 
lukio

lukio

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HydroGrowLED said:
If you take clones from the current plants you’ve been vegging, and then move those plants to your other spaces with all you’re other free lights (interesting how you talk about cost when almost all your equipment is free) how exactly are you losing money?

And how does starting new clones (which you do all the time to run a perpetual setup) cause a toppling effect on the rest of your crop? This makes no sense. Your new space is separate from your other cropping areas. New plants in that space won’t impact those in another area. Feeding those plants is no different than any other clones you take, and since you’re not growing hydro and each plant is fed individually, how would this affect anything?

I’m glad you’re clearing up the other variables, but this one still needs to be cleared up and here is why:

Testing (both by independents like yourself and universities) shows that clones root faster with less stress under RB light compared to white light. This means our light will have a proven scientific advantage from literally day one. Right now you have taken this advantage away from us which will skew the outcome of the test (we will still win, just not by such a huge margin)

Your own testing (and many others) have shown that our lights grow more vigorously in veg than anything you’ve ever seen. Every week in veg the difference becomes more pronounced. Our plants grow more compact with tighter internodes, and by the end of a full veg cycle we typically have about double the nodes of competing fixtures (double the bud sites). The less time in veg, the less pronounced the difference will be. So the test would again be skewed against us as we don’t get to see the full bloom-prep difference between the lights. And you’re hurting your own yield by not letting our lights prep the plants properly for bloom.

Who makes the best light is not just about the end yield, it’s about what roots faster, grows faster, grows healthier, gives you the growth characteristics you desire, gives you more nodes, etc... and this test is supposed to showcase all of that.

The more time the plants have under our lights, the larger the margin will be on the final yield. So in reality you’re losing money by not starting over with fresh clones (and you’d be losing equipment too because you’d have to send the lights back at the end of the grow for not following the requirements of the test you agreed to). So if you want to lose out on both yield and the lights you’re going to grow to love, I guess keep doing what you’re doing and telling us all to Chillax. But if you’re smart you’ll cut some new clones and won’t complain about what you’re losing when you’re gaining $3000 in free grow equipment. I’m out money and so is HLG, so why are you complaining?
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thats darwin, incase you're wondering
 
Norml56

Norml56

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a mongo frog said:
The dude grows with all sorts of leds from all sorts of companies. He should be able through the lights anywhere in his grow area and tell you these are grown under this light and these are grown under that light. He has been doing this for years on this site. He is not going to lie and sway results. You must be out side your gosh darn mind kid.
You are trying to be all sexy and elegant, but it's not really working......... Whats your sign?
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I never said he would lie to sway results. I just stated that these types of tests contain too many variables to really prove anything in general. I'm sure he will try his best to keep everything equal. My post wasn't a slight against the OP at all.
 
OneHitDone

OneHitDone

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HydroGrowLED said:
If you take clones from the current plants you’ve been vegging, and then move those plants to your other spaces with all you’re other free lights (interesting how you talk about cost when almost all your equipment is free) how exactly are you losing money?

And how does starting new clones (which you do all the time to run a perpetual setup) cause a toppling effect on the rest of your crop? This makes no sense. Your new space is separate from your other cropping areas. New plants in that space won’t impact those in another area. Feeding those plants is no different than any other clones you take, and since you’re not growing hydro and each plant is fed individually, how would this affect anything?

I’m glad you’re clearing up the other variables, but this one still needs to be cleared up and here is why:

Testing (both by independents like yourself and universities) shows that clones root faster with less stress under RB light compared to white light. This means our light will have a proven scientific advantage from literally day one. Right now you have taken this advantage away from us which will skew the outcome of the test (we will still win, just not by such a huge margin)

Your own testing (and many others) have shown that our lights grow more vigorously in veg than anything you’ve ever seen. Every week in veg the difference becomes more pronounced. Our plants grow more compact with tighter internodes, and by the end of a full veg cycle we typically have about double the nodes of competing fixtures (double the bud sites). The less time in veg, the less pronounced the difference will be. So the test would again be skewed against us as we don’t get to see the full bloom-prep difference between the lights. And you’re hurting your own yield by not letting our lights prep the plants properly for bloom.

Who makes the best light is not just about the end yield, it’s about what roots faster, grows faster, grows healthier, gives you the growth characteristics you desire, gives you more nodes, etc... and this test is supposed to showcase all of that.

The more time the plants have under our lights, the larger the margin will be on the final yield. So in reality you’re losing money by not starting over with fresh clones (and you’d be losing equipment too because you’d have to send the lights back at the end of the grow for not following the requirements of the test you agreed to). So if you want to lose out on both yield and the lights you’re going to grow to love, I guess keep doing what you’re doing and telling us all to Chillax. But if you’re smart you’ll cut some new clones and won’t complain about what you’re losing when you’re gaining $3000 in free grow equipment. I’m out money and so is HLG, so why are you complaining?
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I'd say let @hybridway2 continue this run as is and just ask that he do a repeat on the next run starting from scratch.
If your light even matches the outcome of the other you have won.
People can's say shit about price cause you do offer the money back guarantee as well as sell replacement / upgrade parts years after the sale. That is one aspect you really need to bring to the for front on your marketing :peace:
 
hybridway2

hybridway2

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a mongo frog said:
The dude grows with all sorts of leds from all sorts of companies. He should be able through the lights anywhere in his grow area and tell you these are grown under this light and these are grown under that light. He has been doing this for years on this site. He is not going to lie and sway results. You must be out side your gosh darn mind kid.
You are trying to be all sexy and elegant, but its not really working......... Whats your sign?
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Thank you Mongo. They dont get it.
I have 4 equal plants a few weeks old. Thats not good enough????
I feel like these excuses are rubbish.
Cant clone under either of the lights so thats out the window. Seriously Cammi, you say you've grown before but are not making sense, sorry to say. Its way to much to explain about the inconvenience & losses. But ill do it if i have too.
Pls stop calling your lights 1800 worth of free gear. Its really upsetting. Thank you!
There are 4 even plants right here.
You guys asking for more then that are excuse boys whom are looking for ways to call a test skewed. Anyone who has grown bigger plants knows that all you need is 2 plants cut from the same mom at around the same size to tell the difference in a side by side. Even if we were just moving to flower w/o veg.
My room primarily consists of 4x4 plants. Lol! What, do you want me to count branches on each side too?
By the time its ready for flower there will be 4 big bushes that will all have an even spot in the light. Might only fit one but if we are good the way it is now then we'll be in flower in just a few weeks & fit 2.
I also plan on showing you these same plants finishing up in flower now so you guys can know what these strains/plants do.
It sounds more like what people wanna see is small plants by a small grower whom has nothing else going on, making this the highlight of his life. Well, that's not me. I will however follow the guidelines & do my very best. If that's not good enough then ill happily step down & return the lights.
If the 4 equal plants are not good enough for everyone then i will take Stephen up on the tents as ill need my veg room back & ill cut new clones & start fresh. Ok???
Damn, bending over backwards to satisfy everyone.
U guys think there is existing variables but all plants have been treated equal. Even waited till they were all planted to give them theyre first dose of nutes.
 
HydroGrowLED

HydroGrowLED

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delstele said:
I feel like these excuses are rubbish.
Cant clone under either of the lights so thats out the window. Seriously Cammi, you say you've grown before but are not making sense, sorry to say.
Pls stop calling your lights 1800 worth of free gear. Its really upsetting. Thank you!
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Any excuses seem to be rubbish but your own. I guess your opinion seems to be the only one that matters.

Hmm, can't clone? You cut a stem at a 45 degree angle, dip it in rooting get and put it in a rapid rooter... which is then placed under a light. This is pretty simple stuff man, so don't attack me for my grow experience. You can clone under ANY light. You're just making up "rubbish" excuses as you call them.

What's upsetting? The fact that you act entitled to free equipment? Or that you don't put any value on it because you didn't pay for it?
 
lukio

lukio

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HydroGrowLED said:
Any excuses seem to be rubbish but your own. I guess your opinion seems to be the only one that matters.

Hmm, can't clone? You cut a stem at a 45 degree angle, dip it in rooting get and put it in a rapid rooter... which is then placed under a light. This is pretty simple stuff man, so don't attack me for my grow experience. You can clone under ANY light. You're just making up "rubbish" excuses as you call them.

What's upsetting? The fact that you act entitled to free equipment? Or that you don't put any value on it because you didn't pay for it?
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hybridway2

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HydroGrowLED said:
Any excuses seem to be rubbish but your own. I guess your opinion seems to be the only one that matters.

Hmm, can't clone? You cut a stem
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Wow, no wonder nobody likes you.
Ill do what needs to be done to satisfy you after you know the full scoop this wknd.
Pls refrain from posting more then 2 sentences on my thread. You have your own threads to badmouth me on.
And if i have a room full of free (PREMIUM) lights then maybe that outta tell you something. LIKE for ONE that these PREMIUM companies find it in their best interest to send a light to a guy that will show what they can do unbiasedly. Pounders of bomb under their lights.
If you dont want the same then i guess just continue upsetting me with wise remarks.
Shitting on the only guy who was willing to give you a chance And the only guy here whom recognizes your accomplishments is not what i would call smart.
 
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HydroGrowLED

HydroGrowLED

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hybridway2 said:
Wow, no wonder nobody likes you.
Ill do what needs to be done to satisfy you after you know the full scoop this wknd.
Pls refrain from posting more then 2 sentences on my thread. You have your own threads to badmouth me on.
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I'll be sending out return labels for those lights. We will find another grower who will run this test who will show gratitude and respect for the opportunity they have been given. I'm not here to be liked, I'm here to prove my products perform better than any out there.
 
hybridway2

hybridway2

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I said ill do whatever it takes to pls you. & follow the guidelines. Doesnt mean i have to like your attitude.
Also no matter how i feel about a vendor, that will never stop me from relaying honest results.
Do what you gotta do. I've got serious time into this & already gave away my intended plants to flower so i could do this for you & us all. That was wicked hard for me to do cuz they were all new from seed the run going now & i had still to pick the keepers. Big loss for me there to accomadate you. But you dont care or take into consideration.
If you dont like that im willing to do new clones if you dont like the even/same plants i was about to post then send out your return labels.
As of rn, you've just got me a bit upsett by not showing your gratitude & not having any pactients.
Whatever. Make up your mind.
I'm prob your best shot at an unbiased test.
Just stop bugging n saying stuff prematurely & it will run smooth .
 
HydroGrowLED

HydroGrowLED

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hybridway2 said:
I said ill do whatever it takes to pls you. & follow the guidelines. Doesnt mean i have to like your attitude.
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I wouldn't have an attitude if the guidelines had been followed and you weren't putting up so much opposition to following them (until now). I don't like having an attitude or being put in the position to make ultimatums for guidelines to be followed. You and I started off here very friendly and as of present, we have strayed very far from where we began.

hybridway2 said:
If you dont like that im willing to do new clones if you dont like the even/same plants i was about to post then send out your return labels.
As of rn, you've just got me a bit upsett by not showing your gratitude & not having any pactients.
Whatever. Make up your mind.
I'm prob your best shot at an unbiased test.
Just stop bugging n saying stuff prematurely & it will run smooth .
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It would seem we are both a bit upset, but I am glad you are willing to do new clones. Other members of the forum will be happy that you're doing this as well. I don't need to see the current plants (which have already been shown in this thread) to know that I want fresh clones for this test. If you will take fresh clones I will sit back, shut up, and let you do your thing.
 
boilingoil

boilingoil

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hybridway2 said:
I said ill do whatever it takes to pls you. & follow the guidelines. Doesnt mean i have to like your attitude.
Also no matter how i feel about a vendor, that will never stop me from relaying honest results.
Do what you gotta do. I've got serious time into this & already gave away my intended plants to flower so i could do this for you & us all. That was wicked hard for me to do cuz they were all new from seed the run going now & i had still to pick the keepers. Big loss for me there to accomadate you. But you dont care or take into consideration.
If you dont like that im willing to do new clones if you dont like the even/same plants i was about to post then send out your return labels.
As of rn, you've just got me a bit upsett by not showing your gratitude & not having any pactients.
Whatever. Make up your mind.
I'm prob your best shot at an unbiased test.
Just stop bugging n saying stuff prematurely & it will run smooth .
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I feel for you brother ! Personally I'd send them back, your too good a dude to put up with this shit blaming you for her lack of research when picking who to hand the lights out too.
 
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