HLG vs HGL Side By Side

boilingoil said:

These where under the same PPFD from rooted cutting, only diff is ones in Ocean Forrest and the other in coir. Coir plant was fed with a base RO to 150ppm of Cal-Mag then topped off to 500ppm of base nutrients.
View attachment 4367265 2 weeks after transplant.

So that's showing me a nutrient or a coir problem, not a lighting problem!
And I say a coir problem in the fact that the link I posted showing some of the reasons for Mag diff and coir can fit into 3 of those categories.

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What base are you feeding the coco plants?

Ryante55 said:

So 2 led at low ppfd are not showing led defeciency? Sounds like it's not "led defeciency" at all sounds like you just get defeciency at high ppfd

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The HLG has very high ppfd rn. This strain was selected due to its ability to grow under white well.
Why do you switch words around?
Who said 2 lights are putting out loww ppfd? C what i mean. How dose anyone e gain anything when you n friends spin it around so much.

10WeekFlushBro said:

Spoken like a true shill. No offense but the way this is all written and presented is enough for me to form my final opinion. All yall are never gonna tell the truth. Almost everybody in on this is somehow in cahoots with his person who calls himself Cammie. Just my opinion.

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You are sooo very wrong man.

boilingoil said:

These where under the same PPFD from rooted cutting, only diff is ones in Ocean Forrest and the other in coir. Coir plant was fed with a base RO to 150ppm of Cal-Mag then topped off to 500ppm of base nutrients.
View attachment 4367265 2 weeks after transplant.

So that's showing me a nutrient or a coir problem, not a lighting problem!
And I say a coir problem in the fact that the link I posted showing some of the reasons for Mag diff and coir can fit into 3 of those categories.

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For you coir plants I would try MasterBlend 4-18-38 + calcinit + epsom salt. Its a pretty cheap power fertilizer but calcinit (calciumnitrate) and epsom salt are much better nutrient sources like calmag which is most of the time only calcium and magnesium oxyd.(bigger molecules)
Use the 2:2:1 formula it has enough calmag for LED growers, is well balanced and can be used for veg and flowering stage. Only make sure to desolve each of the 3 parts separately in hand warm water before you add it to the res. Calcinit and epsom salt are highly reactive and its important to stir until its completely desolved before you mix it. You want all the good stuff available to the roots.
You can also buy calcinit [Ca(NO³)²] and epsom salt [MgSO⁴] separately and further use you base fertilizer. Its pretty cheap stuff compared to bottled calmag; you only need to factor in the additional nitrogene. The sulfur part is not so important to keep in mind cuz its not enough to cause issues.

OneHitDone said:

What base are you feeding the coco plants?

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Cyco base nutrients

Are we still pretending 'led deficiency' is a thing?

Randomblame said:

For you coir plants I would try MasterBlend 4-18-38 + calcinit + epsom salt. Its a pretty cheap power fertilizer but calcinit (calciumnitrate) and epsom salt are much better nutrient sources like calmag which is most of the time only calcium and magnesium oxyd.(bigger molecules)
Use the 2:2:1 formula it has enough calmag for LED growers, is well balanced and can be used for veg and flowering stage. Only make sure to desolve each of the 3 parts separately in hand warm water before you add it to the res. Calcinit and epsom salt are highly reactive and its important to stir until its completely desolved before you mix it. You want all the good stuff available to the roots.
You can also buy calcinit [Ca(NO³)²] and epsom salt [MgSO⁴] separately and further use you base fertilizer. Its pretty cheap stuff compared to bottled calmag; you only need to factor in the additional nitrogene. The sulfur part is not so important to keep in mind cuz its not enough to cause issues.

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I don't have trouble in my LED gardens anymore. Those were simply tests used to dial in my nutrient profile and used to dispel the fact that LED use causes a diff.

hybridway2 said:

The HLG has very high ppfd rn. This strain was selected due to its ability to grow under white well.
Why do you switch words around?
Who said 2 lights are putting out loww ppfd? C what i mean. How dose anyone e gain anything when you n friends spin it around so much.

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Well the numbers for her recommend height are low and you were running them higher and said you matched ppfd for both lights not sure what I spun around unless you changed how you are doing the side by side again.

NanoGadget said:

Are we still pretending 'led deficiency' is a thing?

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Hybrid is he won't give it up

apart from r

Ryante55 said:

So 2 led at low ppfd are not showing led defeciency? Sounds like it's not "led defeciency" at all sounds like you just get defeciency at high ppfd

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nope i still get deficiency and no growth at very low ppfd in early veg. the only person on here who's tried to help with an explanation
is randomblame. how about doing same

i have switched over to white led 18 months ago and still struggling in early veg.
have to keep swopping back to cmh or metal halide to get em going. nobody i repeat nobdy had these troubles with cmh or hps even first time growers so please try and help instead of calling everyone

pan2707 said:

apart from r

nope i still get deficiency and no growth at very low ppfd in early veg. the only person on here who's tried to help with an explanation
is randomblame. how about doing same

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It's not the lights that's a fact. You have a shitty environment or bad feeding schedule start by changing those. And follow vpd

my hot take:

LED deficiency = high PPFD + mag hungry strain.

so i have a shitty environment for white led but not for hps and cmh

pulpoinspace said:

my hot take:

LED deficiency = high PPFD + mag hungry strain.

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Exactly! More people need to understand this. I feed full strength nutes from clone to harvest. under high ppfd the plants just get hungry

pan2707 said:

so i have a shitty environment for white led but not for hps and cmh

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Yes exactly
Edit: I would also guess you don't feed enough under led

so please tell me the white led enviroment, pretty please with knobs on, oh master

pan2707 said:

so please tell me the white led enviroment, pretty please with knobs on, oh master

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I did. follow vpd

Ryante55 said:

Exactly! More people need to understand this. I feed full strength nutes from clone to harvest. under high ppfd the plants just get hungry

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bollocks clones star burning under white led at full strength nutes

pan2707 said:

bollocks clones star burning under white led at full strength nutes

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Haha the last few hundred did fine.

Ryante55 said:

I did. follow vpd and I'm not a mas

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what im trying to do now thanks to randomblame thank you for confirming this will let you no over next week or 2