Greenthumbs256
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yes, thank you, but my issue is between 14-21 days, went through it in detail up above. but mainly my issue isn't before the roots Pop it's after!
help with nutrient for turbo kloner
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Greenthumbs256
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yep pretty much! maybe a week tops, just enough to where when inpalnt them they aren't starving!
Greenthumbs256
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I'm looking up the dynagrow knl
I've run GH three part Flora series since 1996. I add in a silicate and GH CaliMagic. I've never found bud enhacers etc... did much. I did test Dynagro's Foliage Pro and their bloom. I use Foliage pro sometimes in veg and for seedlings with great results, unfortunately Dynagro's Bloom food always precipitated and could not be encouraged to return to solution with heat.
It seems the simpler the better.
It seems the simpler the better.
Greenthumbs256
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I think I should just get what ever is the cheapest, seems like all of these would work perfectly, so I might as well go as cheap as possible! if it doesn't work well enough, then I guess I'll go back to the drawing board lol, thanks for all the help! I appreciate it yall!
In my first response I advised you to foliar feed prior to roots.
Once you have roots get them out of the cloner. Otherwise if you wish to actually grow them in the cloner use any nutrient made for hydroponics. For example if I wished to use my cloner to run hydro I'd mix the appropriate veg nutrient for them and place that in the cloner allowing the sprayer and pump to circulate them. At that point it's no different then when I ran NFT rails except the roots are in your res.
Edited to add: That's more akin to DWC buckets.
Rapid start is for use after you have roots. Here are it's ingredients:
Ingredients: Ammonium molybdate, ammonium nitrate, monopotassium phosphate and potassium nitrate.
You want KLN or another similar product which stimulates hormones in the stem to product roots. Here is what is in KLN
Indole-3-butyric acid (IBA)___0.07%
1-Napthaleneacetic acid (NAA)___0.10%
Greenthumbs256
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OK thank you for the info, I'm going to do some more research, and see what I can come up with, thanks for the help, I'm kinda learnin towards running, hormex from the start, then super light gh bloom at first sign of roots, but I'm going to do a Lil more digging and get a better understanding of all that, thank you!
eyderbuddy
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What i do for my cloners is i just use hydroponic nutes (like maxibloom) and a bacterial innoculant like photosynthesis plus (or similar) at half of the lowest recommended dose. It's a cloner, not a veg station... right?
Also my roots are super white and the clones are happy
Also my roots are super white and the clones are happy
What i do for my cloners is i just use hydroponic nutes (like maxibloom) and a bacterial innoculant like photosynthesis plus (or similar) at half of the lowest recommended dose. It's a cloner, not a veg station... right?
Also my roots are super white and the clones are happy
In a cloner you want rooting hormones. Adding food if you aren't transplanting immediately works for them once they have roots but it won't make roots appear faster.
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cannabineer
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What i do for my cloners is i just use hydroponic nutes (like maxibloom) and a bacterial innoculant like photosynthesis plus (or similar) at half of the lowest recommended dose. It's a cloner, not a veg station... right?
Also my roots are super white and the clones are happy
Nutrient in a cloner is not available to unrooted cuts, So you're setting yourself up to feed bacteria and other competitors/pathogens. I would avoid nutrient in the cloner reservoir.
eyderbuddy
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You guys may be right, and i'm no cloning guru, but! Having 200-300 PPM of nutes on top of my 80PPM tap water, together with an innoculant makes it so i can wait more before water changes, and the roots are always white.
I don't think the beneficial bacteria makes them root (they may? need some scientific input really) but my success rate has gone up significantly... Compared to when i used tap water only.
I also noticed that my clones don't lose leaves or yellow at all. Even without roots... So i think there's definitely some nutrient absorption somehow... I've even put clones from early flowering plants and they even continue flowering without much slowing down (again no yellow leaves)
I don't think the beneficial bacteria makes them root (they may? need some scientific input really) but my success rate has gone up significantly... Compared to when i used tap water only.
I also noticed that my clones don't lose leaves or yellow at all. Even without roots... So i think there's definitely some nutrient absorption somehow... I've even put clones from early flowering plants and they even continue flowering without much slowing down (again no yellow leaves)
Tangerine_
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I've experimented with enzymes, bennies, and rooting hormones and I've found fresh cool clean water is all that's needed in an aero/turbo/DIY/cloner for cuttings to develop a healthy root mass.
Once roots are established I might add .5ml of Rapid Start and I do use KLN if I remember or if I'm dealing with an older plant/hard to root cuttings. Once they have a decent root mass they should be moved to their medium but if things get backed up and you need to leave them in your cloner just treat it like DWC and give them a light balanced feed.
I've found Rapid Start with a couple foliar feeds of whatever I have on hand to be plenty while they wait to be transplanted.
Less is always best. Adding a bunch of redundant products to your rez will eventually lead to pathogenic problems. Unrooted cutting cant "feed" and adding nutes will only encourage biofilm which will require more products and so on....
Follow Curious and Cannibineers advice. If you keep the water temps in check you should have 100% success
edited to add an important step I forgot -
I always try to foliar feed around 3 days before I plan to take cuttings. This helps ensure your cuttings have enough energy to sustain themselves while shifting gears to create roots.
Foliar feeds containing some form of kelp is best (I use Cytoplex) but a light foliar of anything will help.
Once roots are established I might add .5ml of Rapid Start and I do use KLN if I remember or if I'm dealing with an older plant/hard to root cuttings. Once they have a decent root mass they should be moved to their medium but if things get backed up and you need to leave them in your cloner just treat it like DWC and give them a light balanced feed.
I've found Rapid Start with a couple foliar feeds of whatever I have on hand to be plenty while they wait to be transplanted.
Less is always best. Adding a bunch of redundant products to your rez will eventually lead to pathogenic problems. Unrooted cutting cant "feed" and adding nutes will only encourage biofilm which will require more products and so on....
Follow Curious and Cannibineers advice. If you keep the water temps in check you should have 100% success
edited to add an important step I forgot -
I always try to foliar feed around 3 days before I plan to take cuttings. This helps ensure your cuttings have enough energy to sustain themselves while shifting gears to create roots.
Foliar feeds containing some form of kelp is best (I use Cytoplex) but a light foliar of anything will help.
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eyderbuddy
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I live in a constantly warm area, and if it ever goes under 60F that's a very very cold day. So i always had problems with slime, and bacteria in my cloner/aero systems. The only thing that controlled it, and didn't fuck with my plants were the bennies.
Just my 2 cents, i haven't tried every method out there!
Just my 2 cents, i haven't tried every method out there!
gr865
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I spoke with the folks at EZ Clone, they said just use tap water and keep the pH between 5.65 and 6.5. I told them my tap is around 800 ppm so I use RO for everything. He said don't use RO or Distilled, said I should add about 1/4 of my tap to the RO. Gives me about 225 ppm and I let the pH float between 5.65 and 6.25.
I have a DIY EZ Cloner, first run with the unit, so will see how it goes. It is important to keep you water below 70 degrees.
That's all I know on the subject. Hope to get competent at cloning.
I have a DIY EZ Cloner, first run with the unit, so will see how it goes. It is important to keep you water below 70 degrees.
That's all I know on the subject. Hope to get competent at cloning.
How about a peer reviewed paper published in the American Society of Plant Biologists
The Physiology of Adventitious Roots
Bianka Steffens, Amanda Rasmussen
From the American Society of Plant Biologists
Published February 2016. DOI: https://doi.org/10.1104/pp.15.01360
Link to the article: http://www.plantphysiol.org/content/170/2/603#sec-10
The salient point is Auxins, see case study three:
Wound-induced Adventitious Roots: Cutting Propagation
gr865
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Have a degree in Agronomy, while in collage took a class in plant propagation.
There are many methods for cloning. One of my favorites is Air Layering, where you make a small cut in the stem and wrapped in peat or coco ball with plastic wrap around it and tied to hold it in place. !00% success and when the clone is ready it is cut and can be flowered right away.
My problem is the room to grow mothers of any size to do that.
When I worked in the field labs at school we would use this method for cloning fruit trees, ornamental's, and even shade trees. I used this method when I grew cannabis outside during collage, worked like a charm. Had a landrace Afghan that I kept for a several years. Still the best cannabis I have ever had, beautiful plant, massive tight buds and big yields.
There are many methods for cloning. One of my favorites is Air Layering, where you make a small cut in the stem and wrapped in peat or coco ball with plastic wrap around it and tied to hold it in place. !00% success and when the clone is ready it is cut and can be flowered right away.
My problem is the room to grow mothers of any size to do that.
When I worked in the field labs at school we would use this method for cloning fruit trees, ornamental's, and even shade trees. I used this method when I grew cannabis outside during collage, worked like a charm. Had a landrace Afghan that I kept for a several years. Still the best cannabis I have ever had, beautiful plant, massive tight buds and big yields.
