Help !!! Lady in distress !!!! ;0)

One last thing... Here are two posts that I posted on how to set up DWC reservoirs. One uses an 18 gallon tote with 12 gallons of nutrient solution, and one uses a 6 gallon kitty litter bucket with 5 gallons of nutrient solution. They both show how I build them, and one also talks about how to use nutrients and be successful. Since you want to do 18 plants or so, I'd suggest using the 18 gallon tote, using 6 totes with 3 plants in each one. that gets you there. If space is not an issue that is. If so, then use 4 totes with 4 plants in each, that's 16 and will yield close to your kilo (just veg a little longer and you can). Also, if you do things right, you can have a harvest every two weeks, not every two months...I don't know where you got every 2 months at... Anyways, here's the links

https://www.rollitup.org/hydroponics-aeroponics/272015-how-build-easy-dwc-reservoir-2.html#post3625883

https://www.rollitup.org/hydroponics-aeroponics/281365-5-gallon-dwc-built-15-a.html (read post #11 also in this thread. I talk more about building with more pics!)

Again, good luck ladies.

-S

Yes! Go with two 1000 watt lights. If you can, do 3. heheh. I would if I could..

butterflygirl said:

homegrown420 & shrigpiece - thanx for the advice, but like im now asking, what about 2 x 1000w ? would that be better than 2 x 600w ? am I right in thinking more watts equals more grams ? I've mainly read people say that. not that I believe everything I read.... but if less is more I'll be happy to go with a kitchen bulb, lol. Also, im not so worried about the heat in the room, thats what air con is for :0) and I've read people put iced plastic bottles in their DWC to cool them. Another little feature I like about DWC. finally, im not worried about heat SIGNALS from my lights either, because if we DO actually build this 18 plant set up we'll have MYLAR EVERYWHERE trust me ! we're not stupid.... we'll have revolving bookcases and EVERYTHING, lol

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2 -1000w would be way better but honestly i'd say roll with the 600watts cuz ur a noob (no offense) and u might be over doing it a tad cuz if ur plants end up dying for whatever reason then ur fuked and still gotta pay that electricity bill..ya know..but if ur confident with dwc then go ahead but my advice is a 2 600's..and when i grew dwc i kept frozen two litters to cool my resevoir it will last longer then just throwing ice in there and if it gets to cold its easy to remove

I know legal issues have been mentioned, and I know you know the risks involved. on another note, I'm going to assume you and your 4 friends are renters. If so, make sure that your landlord has to give you 24 hours notice before any maintenance is done and you don't grow anywhere near your furnace or anything that the landlord might have to fix. even make sure the room you use isn't close to any outside utility connections, you never know when a tree is going to take down a power line or you're going to have a potential gas leak. One more thing, make sure you have a plan to take your plants somewhere temporarily in case you do need to let your landlord in. other than that, good luck.

2-1000w's will do great. i look forward to seeing this grow. make sure to make a grow journal and show us how your doing.

I'd have to agree that soil is the easier way to go for now. Plus if you have the space, go with a system that is more effic. Like having 2 grow spots, this way you can clone, veg and flower all at the same time. Not to mention if you have a 5x5 area you need to think about walk around space, so you can get to all of the plants without disturbing the others. Any idea if your planning to go with a cabinet or tent, and so on? It sounds like you have a lot of space to play with, might want to think of going with cfls to be cost effective during veg. state and use the HPS to flower. I've had plenty of experience with fluoros. and done rather well. I'm just about to start to go with HPS for flowering, cuz it will bring in a better yield with smaller plants, so with the amount of space you have, you have lots of options.

Jump into hydro if you want. I did recently... requires a little more reading, but the satisfaction is higher then soil also. One thing I have seen you overlook. DWC is a great growing system as is aero, BUT you have to think backup. Imagine 2x1000w lights (which will cost you 100 a month) going 2-3 months... then the power going out for 2 days while you're away and its all GONE. Flood & drain is safer in the sense that a day or two without power would not be as devastating, from a watering perspective. I'm pretty sure dwc/aero you have 6 hours or less before you lose it all. Best way to learn different setups is to read all the journals here. Spend at least 2-3 weeks reading consistently before you start and you'll have much better results.

Oh, and this 'hobby' will consume you...lol I speak from experience. Your significant other will start wondering what you're spending all this time doing, esp if they can't know what you're doing for security.

HOW ABOUT EVERYONE here just chillz out for a bit and let the girl catch up on the 15+ reply's she has not read lol so many opinions being thrown around and stuff lol smoke1 n wait

(dont have to take this seriously, i just think its jks)

haha, my thoughts exactly canadian bud !!

everytime I read someones response I ended up reading a bunch of other stuff to learn something related, its crazy. "growing" is a deep rabbit hole indeed lol its like I heard everybodies answers and now need to ask two more. Im not spending a thing till im sure im buying the right stuff so guess I got lots more reading to do. its especially crap as a student, last thing I wanna do is read more crap !!! (guess I gotta think "fertiliser" instead of crap huh ? lol)

btw im leaning towards 1x600w supersun 2 lights to cover a 4x4 space with 9 plants (extra space for pots as opposed to 3x3). sounds specific huh ? well that should be theoretically ok for now. im building this system in my head first, so thats what i've decided for my lights and grow space. the DWC topic itself is gonna bring in all kindsa deep topics, so I'll go into that later. right now im visualising a 1 x 600w ss2 covering a 9plant 4x4 DWC system. with regards to yeild, that theoretical set up should give more then a fighting chance right? - I can't ask for more then that :0) we just want our own amazonian buds lol, and im the alpha female lol.

Also, I did wanna come back and say THANKS to the "soil lobbyists" on the thread. I've decided to grow a lil plant while im researching this HYPOTHETICAL grow.

nothing fancy, and its only stimulant will be a nearby lamp..... like G.Grows said, i'll just "grow something" and see what happens....and I know exactly where to get the seeds, thats easy. the LAST person anybody 'phones' for anything is NOTORIOUS for having the highest proportion of sticks and seeds around here, lol, so I figure without raising suspicions asking anyone I can just buy a bag of "weed" from him and hope for the best, lol. I already have a bag of soil and pots and stuff so...we'll see what happens. cya for now. I'll catch up with everybodies input and hopefully have some of my own !

sounds like your off too a good start. i will help ya as much as i can. im experienced with outdoor growing but new to indoor. learned a shit load of information the past 3 months lol here is a link to my 1st indoor grow. https://www.rollitup.org/newbie-central/295069-1st-grow-cfl-400watt-hps.html

how do you fix fert burn

Hey Guys !!! I've been busy !!!

ummm, do seeds die ? im asking because I saved 5 seeds from a really crap bag of weed and im hoping to grow a lil weed plant to keep me company while I research the real grow. I DON'T intend this little plant to bud just wanna watch it grow so I can learn something and know what to expect later. im taking your advice and being responsible, lol. SO WHAT EXACTLY DO I DO WITH THESE SEEDS GUYS?

- just plant em in a pot ? I read about people putting them in wet tissue in the dark, etc, I just figured I'd ask you guys first. they look a lil dry to me, personally I think they might be DOA, lol.

Ok, so I've sparked a lil spliff and im about to responded to everybody below, thanx for all your responses so far !! its not easy getting started so I really appreciate it :0)

I'VE GOT ONE QUERY TODAY PLS ANSWER

Remember how I was asking those questions about how many plants per sqft ? well, Clovergs99 mentioned scrog in his response, and I've looked into it and that seems like the best bet because the number of plants per sqft is kinda moot if im using a screen, right ? I mean all I have to think about is the size of the screen and not the amount of plants I use to fill it....

FOR INSTANCE - im now thinking about a nice discreet 600w HPS for our DWC, and if I want 100w per sqft I need a grow area of 3' x 2' right ? Ok, so normally that would mean 6 plants, but if I use a 3' x 2' screen I could use one plant to fill the screen, or even 10 plants, right ? now im thinking that the important thing isn't the number of plants, its how I fill the screen....

so to me it just seems a screen is the best way to maximize the grow space, rather then worry about how many plants I can fit a under my light. I guess a REALLY GOOD EXPERIMENT would be to have one 600w light over six plants, and another 600w light over a 3' x 2' screen - if all conditions were equal, WHICH do you think would eventually yield more ??? if I had to guess I'd say the screen.... what do you think ?

Any thoughts guys ? anybody else had experience (good or bad!) using a screen ?

Catch ya later !!! Stay Safe !!! I'll check back for your responses....

I had used 2x600w lamps with vent(sealed) reflectors, hook them up to the same ducting, a carbon filter and a decent extraction fan, just an ok one would do since u are in a cellar it doesnt have to be double the money for a whisper quiet one. Buy stuff that use 8 inch ducting all the way to rly get the flow going and if u dont have an inlet u should maybe buy a co2 release system for it. I'm try to avoid Co2 bcuz it feels like a bit of top of the line for just growing pot during a short period.

Sure if u move somewhere u know u gonna be for atleast 5 years and safely grow crop after crop u should spend lots on the space u got. Try keep it to the essentials so u dont end up with trying to split up a fortune of grow gear when u go separate ways, its a fucking pain splitting stuff up...i invested around 600-800$ in the setup, just as much as the other dude but both allways want the same stuff so its pretty much like bein' married just that u cant hire a lawyer for handing the nasty part.... Allso u should think about whats optimal for the future, if u gonna go separate ways u maybe should think about going with 4x400w and then u have 1 system each when u split up, allso if u gonna do a solo grow u maybe dont have more space then then a couple of feet so a 400w will come in handy since it doesnt produce much heat compared to the center of earth like 1000w. Allso even tho a 1000w is rly good and bright and all that 4x400w will give more equal light all over the room. U can grow huge plants with baseball bat buds if u treat and put allot of dough and mind into nutrients using even 400watts, only that it just gets a litle easier doing it with more power and better bulbs. U get what u pay for. If u go 4x400 u dont have to worry about supplyment lighing at the sides allso.

Make sure to not buy crap gear, Buy digital ballasts that can handle both Metal Halide and High pressure sodium lamps to maximize the light vs electricity, allso the bulbs will survive longer.

Good luck on growing, i have allot of ideas but i cant be botherd writing more as im tired as....fuck knows.

hope I spelt everyones name right, lol, catch ya later !!

Hey SNUTTER so your a DWC user ? glad to see you agree its a "simpler" system. thanx for the words on security too. again, theres no way Any of us would tell Anybody outside our house Anything we've seen boyfriends come and go so we wouldn't tell our partners what we're up to - we never do, lol, way too much to lose by being sloppy. we wouldn't invite anybody else to smoke our buds, its just for us, and we wouldn't brag about successful grows either. infact we're the opposite, we'll enjoy having a secret garden nobody knows about I said it before, I think the tendency to brag is more a male trait and men often underestimate how secretive women can be. even if I told my boyfriend he'd have to see it to believe it.... and THATS how safe the secret is, so what do you think of me adding SCROG to the design ? im gonna check out your DWC grows today, I'll be back with some feedback and questions ! thanx

Hey FILE ERROR 404 - I saw your grow set up, it looked AMAZING... but umm, its a lil bit too MCGUVYER for me, lol. I could never build that, hence why I want to go with a DWC, but congrats on a great build and a great yeild !!! Wow.... !!! do you think a screen would increase your grows ?

Hey HOMEGROWN your right, 1000w is prob too much so im more thinking about a 600w now. Good idea about the Ice in Plastic bottles for the DWC. we'll prob seal off the cellar completely and use A/C but at least I now know another way to keep things cool !! I'll ask more questions about sealing the room another time - for now what do you think about SCROG ?

umm, POTHEAD, what is that in your picture ??? Good advice about the landlord, we're renting and we've known him for years, its safe to say he wouldn't call the police on us even if he found it. BUT thats not the point. he never comes by the house, mainly because, you know, we could have clothes drying everywhere or we could be walking around in pyjama's etc. he's really cool, everything is dealt with on the phone, and whenever he is in the house (which is rare) we normally talk by the door. he even knows we smoke weed. but no, he would never ask for access to the basement. plus its perfect, down there, no water or gas pipes, and the socket down there was added from a first floor socket before we moved in, so theres no need for any maintanace down there at all. its perfect. oh, and if we need to move it we have an attic and there isn't even electricty up there so its all good. thanx for the good luck wish!

POKESMOT - hey, any grow journal we do will be BRIEF.... I've seen ppl take photo's off themselves with their weed, CRAZY !! at least wear gloves and a mask or something ? hahaha, thats what I mean about you boys showing off. I would NEVER post a pic of me doing something stupid online.... but I might do a grow journal, just need to make sure the photos don't have anything identifiable in the background, like the name of our college lol - so, what do you think of SCROG ? any experience ?

hey "WANNA LEARN" ? guess your in the same boat as me huh ? lol, good luck with your HPS grow, let me know how it turns out

hey "SOMEGUY" - good point about preparing for failure. maybe you can tell me, is it possible to have too many pumps in a DWC ? I was planning on using 2 pumps so if one fails... but generally speaking I thought DWC was amongst the safest because the plant can't dry out. If the light goes out we'll make sure we always have a spare bulb... but I need to prepare a contingency plan your right. and your right about reading other people journals. Im about to right now. thanx !

hey CANADIANBUD so what do you think about Scrog ? any good ?

LOL@ ICEWATERBONG - that was funny, but listen, if you DID come and live with us here to be our resident gardener as you offered, we'd have to keep you chained down to the concrete floor in the cellar while you work... plus we'd have to keep you Gag'd you so you can't alert the neighbours... then after harvest we'd have to poison you, freeze you, chop you into smaller pieces and burn you in the woods.... hehe.... but thanks for the offer hun !

CLOVERGS99 - thanx for mentioning SCROG in the first place - so does my post make sense to you ?

sorry if I missed anybody, its not eaasy keeping up ;0) but thanx for all your input, I'll be ready to start building my set up sooner than you think ! but not before I learn as much as I can. CYA

hey, just saw your post 420Swede....

we'll be ok spliting this stuff up, but thats years from now. Anyway, from the looks of things since im taking the initiative I'll take everythinig and pay off my friends hahaha. As for ducting etc... I don't wanna exhuast anything, I wanna go with a sealed room grow. Guess that means I need A/C and CO2 right ? but I'll get into that later. As for lights, im sticking with the idea of a single 600w for now, I don't wanna get too carried away with 4 x 400w like you said lol Def going for digital ballasts too, less heat/safer etc. You gave good advice about using the right nutes etc to get the MOST out of my lights. thats why im not gonna jump for a 1000w. plenty of ppl have success with less. Like I said im aiming for 100w per sqft over a 3' x 2' area with my 600w lights - thanks for your response



hey guys, I know I write alot, maybe your getting lost in my post ? lol.....

check out my ONE query I posted today about the SCROG technique below, does that post make sense ? thanks !

nah i dont think u write too much, rather do that then having to write 3 posts in a row bcuz u come up with stuff all the time due to not bein able to keepin it simple.

ok, sound neat, the sealed grow sounds nice.. just make sure to quadruple check the system and check the door seals, replace them whatever. i knew one guy who was a novice who set it up wrong, had leaks and almost killed himself in his one room apartment before a friend came and woke him up, fell asleep due to co2 poisoning if u can call it that Take into account that ACs are a bitch and they often create some problems.

I bought a big but mobile one for about 400$, or whats equal to that in swe currancy and it was used. ACs doesnt magically dispose heat, it separates heat from the air and blows it away somewhere else. From what i know all ACs work like that, at least the ones that doesnt cost more then a car or some industrial stuff whatever.

The problem that usually acours is that the AC doesnt use it compressor 24/7, it works for 5 min super hard and then it takes a rest for a couple of minutes just circulating the air and starts up again as soon as it thermostat tells it to depending on what target temp u set it to. Allso, on most decent ACs u get a in built dehumidifier, im not sure its a part of the process of what it does or an optional extra that just happen to be an unpleasent pest for growers. It will most probably have a tap opening in the lower part of it releasing the water it catches from the air, the tank is filled up rather quickly even tho the one i used had a 4 litre tank, make sure u buy a AC which has a tap that u can put on a garden hose on, mount the AC above ground and lead the hose down into a tank/5-10 litre jug.
It depends allot on the temp in the growroom so it shouldnt get as critical as with my last grow since u are in a cellar and i was in a small closet but be prepeared, better be safe then sorry.

Allso as i was about to write earlier, when the AC compressor is doing its 5 min work whatever, it doesnt rly go easy on the hot air outlet, i think we had our hot air outlet bottlenecked down to 12,5 cm(5 inches or so) at the end exhust and it sounded like a jet engine and blew air like one , tho we had it set to pretty cool to make up for the heat that was produced in there.

Tell me if im wrong about most ACs need to exhuast the separated hot air. Atleast i couldnt find one that didnt in sweden for under 1000$

Sorry for the long n' flimsy post i dont keep track of what im writing myself.

edit: i guess if its a quite chilly concrete basement/whatever it can work without exhaust if it just need a small pinch to keep the temperature but in most cases it tends to go fubar with the theory vs. reality when it comes to growing.

scrog is the shit..i've never done it but i like the way it looks..i just do closet grows and i dont have enough room or else i would scrog for sure..and more light is better just so u know.. i was just thinking u might have heat issues with 2 1000watts and if u were to fuk up ur wasting more money on electricity so i was thinking start low and once u get done with ur first grow go all out after that..but yea do the scrog u get a shit load of colas that way

and swamp coolers work good if u dont wanna use a AC..swamp coolers are especially good for veg cuz it adds humidity to..could be good for flower as well if ur humidity is really low

Alternative to SCROG is LST, it makes it a bit more organised and u will be able to get to your plants easier. makes them shorter, fatter, wider and pretty much all colas the same size instead of having it looking like a oval christmas tree if u just let it grow straight up to the the light.

its a bit of work tieing all those plants down and adjusting it every now and then but i'd say its the most effective way from watching posts etc but i havent tried scrog so dont take my word for it.