Help !!! Lady in distress !!!! ;0)

I highly highly highly recommend AUTO FLOWER seeds for your first grow & harvest. It's really difficult to fuck up AUTO FLOWERING strains. These strains can be found at a seed bank, and are your best bet to getting some pot as soon as possible. Auto flowers are designed to be completely finished in like under 60 days; whereas most regular strains take AT LEAST 90-120 days. Even though you'll spend a tad bit more on seeds, it'll pay for itself.

I would recommend soil or a hydroponic flood & drain table with rockwool medium (it's easiest). Two 600 Watters will be lots more effecient than one 1000Watter. Make sure that you have a way to hook up ducting to your lighting and buy a fan that will keep the light from getting too hot. Also, unless you have a place to exhaust the heat put off by the 1000W, or a way to cool the room, it will get really hot in there with the plants and likely kill them; it needs to stay < 90 degrees ferenheight in your room at all times.

The best advice I could give growers after starting their grow is consistency. BE the plant, and understand that if you raise the distance of the lights from the canopy, the intensity has changed, and the plant has some adjusting to get used to. This adjustment could take the plants like 2 weeks of adjusting, and won't make any flowring/budding progress during the adjustment. Changing the consistency of the enviroment the plants are in will prolong your progress. Make sure you always provide consistent conditions with room temp, light distance, waterings, root temp, etc. BE the plant. lol good luck sweetheart, lemme know if you have any quetsions; i'll be glad to help; thanks

I'd love to be living with you right now lol. 3 Girls in the same house smoking how much weed? Sounds like my paradise

#1: Sit down with your girlfriends and swear a holy oath that you won't tell ANYONE (No, just because girl #3's boyfriend is cool, he still can't know) about it. It's a rather hard secret to keep so make absolutely sure that what grows in the house stays in the house.

#2: Shopping for gear is easy, setting it all up is not. Do you have any handyman skills? You need to poly up and light proof your room, set up ducting, fans, filters, lights, hydro or soil, etc.

#3: Get seeds or clones. You can just order seeds but that will "cost" you another 4 weeks extra.

#4: Soil or Hydro? I disagree that beginners should "learn" with soil. You won't learn anything in regards to hydro by growing in soil, just have to re-learn later on. I'm growing for a long time, never used soil and had a respectable 1st hydro grow. I had different hydro systems, never liked DWC. Water temperature problems are the worst in DWC. I use Bato buckets with a drip system.

#5: I agree, 2 x 600W is better than 1 x 1K.

#6: Don't think about the yield, yet. Just do the best that you can, learn and be happy with what you get. Nothing wrong with being ambitious but you have to be realistic. Look at craigslist, so many people sell their gear after 1 unsuccessful grow cause they thought it was "Easy". As stated above, it's not rocket science but it is still A LOT OF WORK.

Keep asking away and best of luck!

PS: #7 - SEE #1 - REALLY! THAT'S SOOOOO IMPORTANT!!!

it would be a good idea to try both..grow half ur crop dwc style and the rest in soil...but for real who ever says dwc is easiar then soil is full of it..soil grows are much less work and only get messy when the grower is a messy person..i grow in a closet and it doesnt get messy at all maybe a little soil on the ground from the fan goin but i got a dust buster for that..dwc ur ph goes up and down alot and u gotta be almost perfect with ur ph for dwc, soil grows ur ph is not as impotant as dwc grows and it wont change as often and as drastically

hey FileError404 (BTW I HATE FILEERROR404!!!!)

1) thanks for the advice, don't worry me and my friends are thick as thieves, our boyfriends don't even know EVERYTHING we get up to... like driving around 1am to meet shady characters to purchase weed for instance, lol, all those little things stay between us. didn't you know women are the best liars on earth ? its true.

2) your second point ? ummm, fuck yeah we have "handyMAN" skills as you put it, lol. we ended up decorating our own place because our boyfriends were useless, they spent the whole time theorising about which wall to paint first and blah blah... seriously, the DIY skills of the average fella are highly overated imo.

3) point three, I unfortunately don't know where to get "cuttings" from :0( so I guess its seeds. but we're REALLY in no rush so those extra 4 weeks won't hurt, its ok.

4) thats easy, im going with HYDRO !!! I like the idea of DWC because there IS no soil. I already told you guys I killed an innocent Bonsia tree, lol, bad memories. so im not going to start with soil, whats the point ? as much as we're taking our time and researching, we're also prepared to just jump in and try our luck. DWC all the way !!!

5) thank you everybody who said 600w x 2 is better than one 1000w. my friend said the same thing but I disagreed. but answer me this, what if we got 2 x 1000w instead ? is that over kill ? I read somewhere the higher the rating the bigger the yield ? remember, after 4 months of hard labour we want more than 1oz to split between us !

6) I hear you, but I can't help thinking about the yield thats why we're doing it !!! our main questions for ourselves were "can we grow our own weed in our own house?"and "can it be done safely ?" and the answer is obviously YESSS !!! so we wanna learn as much about it as we can before actually doing it. whether we hit a KILO isn't really important, whats more important to us is not killing our plants because we didn't do our homework :0( we just want a killer system.

but I understand your point, we're not obsessed with the yield we just needed a target so we knew what equipment to buy and how much it would all cost.

thanks for the input !

Good advice HWY420 !!!

I'll look into which seeds we should buy, I read that some seeds somehow grow faster then others... I'll check it out. Our main thing is narrowing down the equipment list so that no matter WHAT we put under our lights we know we've got a killer set-up. but I'll def look into those when its time. thanx.

soil ? nah. flood and drain ? to me thats asking for trouble, lol. I don't want a set up that can leak, flood, drain.....no, no, no.... DWC is nice and stable, to us it is anyway. we just need to lift the lid and check it daily. simple (in theory, lol)

I like what you said about BEING the plant, I should of BEEN that damn Bonsai, maybe he'd still be alive, hahaha. But I agree, I want consistancy, that does seem to be a major factor your right, hence me asking questions now :0) like I said above, we want a set up where we know ANY thing can grow, and if it needs cooling down ? CHECK. if it needs more oxygen ? CHECK. if the PH levels need adjusting ? CHECK. the more prepared we are with the right equipment, the more subtle our adjustments can be, to use your example. One thing that poor plant showed me was how fragile they are. wow.

and finally, your not the first guy yo say that, lol, truth be told you'd be suprised how many girls actually luv the "kush" - but you do know we get higher then men because we have bigger lungs right ? hahaha, its true....

homegrown420 & shrigpiece - thanx for the advice, but like im now asking, what about 2 x 1000w ? would that be better than 2 x 600w ? am I right in thinking more watts equals more grams ? I've mainly read people say that. not that I believe everything I read.... but if less is more I'll be happy to go with a kitchen bulb, lol. Also, im not so worried about the heat in the room, thats what air con is for :0) and I've read people put iced plastic bottles in their DWC to cool them. Another little feature I like about DWC. finally, im not worried about heat SIGNALS from my lights either, because if we DO actually build this 18 plant set up we'll have MYLAR EVERYWHERE trust me ! we're not stupid.... we'll have revolving bookcases and EVERYTHING, lol

hey Growtech, I did google all that your absolutely right. how else do you recommend I learn about the topic ? online is a safer option than asking face to face about growing Kilos, is it not ?

...and nobody is "off on the wrong foot" either because im MORE than familiar with the law, trust me, I know the sentences and I know what NOT to keep around the house once we start. I've obviously considered the worse case, but the bottom line is if we keep this between US, which won't be hard considering we have bigger secrets then growing weed (lol) and if we take all possible security steps, like carbon scrubbers, like "muffin fans" like mylar, like a sealed grow room UNDER THE HOUSE.... as long as we take those steps and more and remain untracable from outside, and as long as we remain tight lipped on the inside, we have nothing to worry about except bad luck. and if that happens ? its life I guess, but I think we'll be fine, we've survived in life thus far....

besides, theres WAY more chance of us being robbed or worse paying money to shady guys for mostly average weed. thats the truth. we'll be safer, indoors, growing our own quality weed. our house isn't PORKY'S, its mainly just us in there studying smoking and quietly chillin. the last thing we'd do is tell ANYONE we're growing weed. how stupid is that ? sounds like something a BIG HEADED MAN would do to be honest. most girls are smarter then that. but thanx for the concern. Also, I couldn't help but think you said what you said because its 4 girls planning on growing weed ? not that I care, its just funny thats all, lol, we are talking about mother nature after all right ? haha, sexist mary jane growers, im only playing.

but thanx for your concern, also, did you have any practical advice btw ? thanx hun.

Daleh, I don't doubt the credentials of Soil hun, but it just seems like alot of work, watering EACH individual plant, FEEDING each individual plant, CHECKING each.... you get my point. obviously DWC isn't autopilot, but I've looked into what it involves and im confident we can handle that more so than SOIL or something that looks like a science lab (flood/drain/etc). some of the set-ups I've seen are waaaaaaay too complicated imo. DWC seems perfect. im excited about growing with that system. im confident that, between us, we can manage it no probs. whats your opinion on 2 x 600w versus 2 x 1000w btw ?


pokesmot - good point about the mylar. read what I said above about revolving bookcases, lol. but I'll have to stick to my guns about soil... DWC is the master plan unless I hear a really good reason not to use that method. also pls also give your 0.2 on 1000w x2 versus 600w x 2. thanx. I'll be discussing Ventilation and everything else soon enough trust me :0)

Yeah, 2 x 1000W are obviously better. You will have to air-cool them to keep the room cool enough and probably still will need A/C. Any specific DWC you're looking at? Buckets? Tubs? Believe me, either way, the maintenance is a bitch and a half...

Here's a link to one of my systems, easy set-up, maintenance, big yields. You can move the plants around with ease, the roots are protected and everything is easy to clean and re-use:

https://www.rollitup.org/newbie-central/8285-need-help-hydro-setup.html


Got to give the girl alternatives

wow that was a lot of typing

How many lights you use is about planning your garden and covering the footprint with the ammount of light that the plants need

Most folks don't do that here if you look around you'll see the majority cram as many plants as they can into an area and hit em with as much light as they can muster

My advice to you "girls" is to read enough to know the right way to grow

DWC, soil whatever does not matter as that is about style much like LST and supercropping and as you plan your garden you need to decide on your styles and what works best for you to reach your goals

You can get a kilo out of the area you describe but it may take some time to learn all of the tweaks needed to do so

So to say that 2 600's are better than 1 1000 or that 2 1000's are better than 2 600's is moot without understanding your planned footprint and style

Clovergs !!! haha we agree ! DWC is def my weapon of choice. I was beginning to wonder where all the other DWC advocates where at ? lol.

I like your list, I've considered everything you mentioned. once I get the basics about lights covered I'll go deeper into feeding them/providing oxygen etc. one quick question, how damaging is having to constantly use PH up/down ? or is it harmless to the plant ? I've read diaries where ppl are constantly using it in DWC and it seemed like one aspect I didn't like. maybe im wrong ? perhaps its harmless to keep having to change the PH? if so, then checking the levels daily will be no prob, especially with one large tub. another Question, what do you think about 18 plants under 2 x 600w ? should I go with 2 x 1000w instead ? whats your take on that ? I like where you said "explosive growth" !!! lol, thats EXACTLY what we're aiming for, we're not hung up on reaching a Kilo at all, we just want a kick-ass system that will give us results with minimum hassle no matter what seeds we go for, but to build THAT we first have to do our homework, hence me being online ! & thanx for the support !!!

HomeGrownBaby !!! I know I know, your all making me feel guilty about DISREGARDING SOIL im sooo sorry !!! lol. but seriously as long as the PH adjusting doesn't damage our plants we won't mind checking the DWC daily and adjusting the levels - we'll be checking things like temperature and humidity daily anyway. Plus to me DWC seems alot easier because its like having one huge plant pot. everything is centralised. but I do take your point... to me the PH won't be a problem, and with DWC I don't have to even LOOK at soil, lol, perfect !


Hey 404, I'll check that link tomorrow, thanx. Like I said nothing is set in stone, so if im convinced DWC isn't the way to go I won't do it, simple as that, but right now it seems perfect. I'll check the link later :0) thank you.

Hey Riddle, good advice, like I already said, the footprint will consist of 18 plants - lets say each has 1sqft each - and lets say they are arranged into a square of 4 rows (5/4/5/4) thats roughly 5x5ft right ? thats supposed to be the guideline for a single 600w right ? Soooo, theoretically speaking, which light in your opinion would be best to use 600w or 1000w. I UNDERSTAND there are other factors, but damn hun, imagine im learning how to drive, and I ask a simple question about the steering wheel.... what kind of instructer answers my question by telling me that driving is all about maintaining a clean engine or checking my brakes regularly - WTF ??? I just told you I can't drive !!! just answer my god damn theoretical question and shut the fuck up. lol. I hope you understand what im saying. but just in case: picture a 5x5ft space, 18 plants, DWC system... now assuming everything is exactly how YOU would have it.... WHICH LIGHT SYSTEM IN YOUR OPINION IS BETTER FOR THAT THEORETICAL IMAGINARY SET UP? 2 x 600w or perhaps 2 x 1000w ? or perhaps candle light ? whats your opinion on THAT innocent question ? let me know what you think ;0)

Ok Guys, thanks for all the information - its really helpful. If anybody with experience using DWC is lurking pls let me know :0) also, pls remember im just learning at the moment if that wasn't clear enough, this is the noobie section right ? lol, one step at a time people one step at a time !! something tells me if I was rushing ahead and asking complex qesutions people would be saying SLOW DOWN, SLOW DOWN FIRST YOU HAVE TO PICK YOUR LIGHTS FIRST !!! hahaha, w/e... so please comment on my question about the lights ok !!! and remember, the cellar we're using is HUGE so space isn't a factor, im not stuck with 5x5ft.

Cya later, im about to smoke some high grade and make a sammich ! take care !

DWC isnt set it and forget it babe, you need to check ph levels, ppm of the nutrients, so you will still need to feed and water it just like you would with soil, as the ppm of the water drops you will need to change it out with fresh water and fresh nutrients. you should look into bubbleponics its just DWC with airstones and air pumps, and plants use CO2 for photosynthesis fyi but roots need oxygen to beable to absorb nutrients so its Co2 in the air and oxygen in the water that you need to focus on. Hope that helps some.

well you might not like my answer but here is what I would do,,,,

put the 18 plants in 3 rows with a foot and half of space between them which would create a 5 ft by 10 ft area and I would use 2 400 watt CMH's to light it

I would veg the plants to between 12 and 18 inches tall then top them at the 6th node, wait a week to recover and flip em to 12/12

But that is me and I also like soil over hydro not only cause it's easier but also more forgiving and to me (my personal opinion) soil grown taste better

Definately more power to you if you can get it to work right the first time!! Even if you are dead set absolutely happy with and plan on doing a DWC do it, but as an experiment I would just put a plant in a pot of soil and just water it whenever you check on the rest of your plants. If this will be your first grow it will be good to have a "normal" plant to compare it to so you can see how well you are doing.

riddleme said:

well you might not like my answer but here is what I would do,,,,

put the 18 plants in 3 rows with a foot and half of space between them which would create a 5 ft by 10 ft area and I would use 2 400 watt CMH's to light it

I would veg the plants to between 12 and 18 inches tall then top them at the 6th node, wait a week to recover and flip em to 12/12

But that is me and I also like soil over hydro not only cause it's easier but also more forgiving and to me (my personal opinion) soil grown taste better

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sounds good to me i agree on the soil part to it just tastes .....smoother somehow but they do seem to be looking for yield and fast growth some peoples palates are not as sensitive, some people dont care what it tastes like as long as they get high. different strokes for different folks I guess.

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Clovergs !!! haha we agree ! DWC is def my weapon of choice. I was beginning to wonder where all the other DWC advocates where at ? lol.

I like your list, I've considered everything you mentioned. once I get the basics about lights covered I'll go deeper into feeding them/providing oxygen etc. one quick question, how damaging is having to constantly use PH up/down ? or is it harmless to the plant ? I've read diaries where ppl are constantly using it in DWC and it seemed like one aspect I didn't like. maybe im wrong ? perhaps its harmless to keep having to change the PH? if so, then checking the levels daily will be no prob, especially with one large tub. another Question, what do you think about 18 plants under 2 x 600w ? should I go with 2 x 1000w instead ? whats your take on that ? I like where you said "explosive growth" !!! lol, thats EXACTLY what we're aiming for, we're not hung up on reaching a Kilo at all, we just want a kick-ass system that will give us results with minimum hassle no matter what seeds we go for, but to build THAT we first have to do our homework, hence me being online ! & thanx for the support !!!

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As far as PH goes, I check my plants PH and PPM every 2 days. Thats also when i top my water off. Not sure about the 2 x 600 as i use 2x 400. If your looking to maximize your yields then you should look into SCROG. I just did my 2nd SCROG and let me tell you, My SCROGS have been the most successful so far. Lets just say I Tripled any of my previous yields. I was actually blown away by how much you can get. And also with SCROG you can cut down on the amout of buckets which will save space and water. And with the space you save, you can build your screen to cover the extra space.

i could just recommend a video thatll solve ur problem its a step by step info for a free basement but id rather u invite me over n live there n ill take care of ur weed needs n anything u please

I think thats to many people in on it. People get greedy and its even harder when its like 3 or 4 people.. People backstab over shit like this.

FileError404 said:

#1: Sit down with your girlfriends and swear a holy oath that you won't tell ANYONE (No, just because girl #3's boyfriend is cool, he still can't know) about it. It's a rather hard secret to keep so make absolutely sure that what grows in the house stays in the house.

#2: Shopping for gear is easy, setting it all up is not. Do you have any handyman skills? You need to poly up and light proof your room, set up ducting, fans, filters, lights, hydro or soil, etc.

#3: Get seeds or clones. You can just order seeds but that will "cost" you another 4 weeks extra.

#4: Soil or Hydro? I disagree that beginners should "learn" with soil. You won't learn anything in regards to hydro by growing in soil, just have to re-learn later on. I'm growing for a long time, never used soil and had a respectable 1st hydro grow. I had different hydro systems, never liked DWC. Water temperature problems are the worst in DWC. I use Bato buckets with a drip system.

#5: I agree, 2 x 600W is better than 1 x 1K.

#6: Don't think about the yield, yet. Just do the best that you can, learn and be happy with what you get. Nothing wrong with being ambitious but you have to be realistic. Look at craigslist, so many people sell their gear after 1 unsuccessful grow cause they thought it was "Easy". As stated above, it's not rocket science but it is still A LOT OF WORK.

Keep asking away and best of luck!

PS: #7 - SEE #1 - REALLY! THAT'S SOOOOO IMPORTANT!!!

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This person has the right of it....Except the part about DWC. I grow DWC and don't see issues with res temps.. also, it's a simple system. to each there own.

the most important part of his post was the NOT TELLING ANYONE part. I seriously doubt that between the 4 of you, one of you won't tell a friend, or a boyfriend, or sneak a boyfriend in to the grow room when everyone else is gone because "your in love and can totally trust him" blah blah blah. The second that happens, you're fuct. Once the cat is out of the bag, he can never be put back in the bag...and he'll go tell his buddy cats all about it over a few pitchers of beer down at their favorite bar....and that will lead to problems sooner or later. want an example: Well, after you break up with mr. perfect and you hate each others guts, what's to stop him from deciding "screw you" and coming and stealing your shit....It happens, sweets...

Anyways, good luck. I also agree with two 600 watt lights instead of one 1K light. You have a long road ahead of you, but not an impossible one to travel.

PS EDIT: I re-read the thread and read the part about having your secrets, and all that... And that is all good and fine... BUT, you haven't grown weed yet. You do NOT know the temptation of wanting to show off what you do and how good you are at it. Or temptation of smoking your killer weed with friends and having them love it, and wanting to brag, "yeah that's all us..." Or, having some talk shit about how the weed was grown, and telling that person just what's what... It's a HUGE temptation that you have to deal with all the time. and now it's multiplied by 4... I'm not saying you all won't keep your secret, I'm just saying it's tough.. tougher than you think, but you'll find out soon enough..