H.A.F. growing stink-flowers in dirt with QB's

Tiflis

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For starters yes, but auto's are way different and you only have "X" amount of time before they are done. I would lean towards more light sooner, and getting it to your preferred height soon. What light schedule are you running?
I'm actually going to move them outdoors at the end of May/early June along with my tomatoes . I have 9 solo cups of 3 different strains (tomatoes)+ 3 solos with autos. Planning on doing 24/0 and probably gradually bring it down to 18/6 week before I'll bring them out.
The tomatoes have been started 12/12 from seed but I'm cutting my plants down today so flowering tent becomes veg tent
 

H.A.F.

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I'm actually going to move them outdoors at the end of May/early June along with my tomatoes . I have 9 solo cups of 3 different strains (tomatoes)+ 3 solos with autos. Planning on doing 24/0 and probably gradually bring it down to 18/6 week before I'll bring them out.
The tomatoes have been started 12/12 from seed but I'm cutting my plants down today so flowering tent becomes veg tent
I haven't grown auto's, so as long as you know what's going on. Never understood 24/0. I get that auto's don't care, but the plants need time to rest. They do different things in the dark photosynthesis-wise (without busting out college science courses ;) ) so I think 20/4 would be the furthest I would go, but I would lean towards having 18/6 (more rest for rooting) during veg, then bump it up to 20/4 in flower.

Moving outside doesn't make sense to me if you can grow inside, but whatever. Bugs, fluctuating weather, humidity, bud rot, iffy sunshine, etc. I can see growing a photo outside because they get monstrous - but an auto wont. If you are set on outside, I would check whatever your normal outside lighting is and shift it towards that in the last few days. Here it's between 13/11 and 14/10 here but getting longer. But think about this - autos do good with 20+ hours of light, and you are cutting that almost in half by choice, and you have no control over when they flower. Just my opinion.
 

Tiflis

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I haven't grown auto's, so as long as you know what's going on. Never understood 24/0. I get that auto's don't care, but the plants need time to rest. They do different things in the dark photosynthesis-wise (without busting out college science courses ;) ) so I think 20/4 would be the furthest I would go, but I would lean towards having 18/6 (more rest for rooting) during veg, then bump it up to 20/4 in flower.

Moving outside doesn't make sense to me if you can grow inside, but whatever. Bugs, fluctuating weather, humidity, bud rot, iffy sunshine, etc. I can see growing a photo outside because they get monstrous - but an auto wont. If you are set on outside, I would check whatever your normal outside lighting is and shift it towards that in the last few days. Here it's between 13/11 and 14/10 here but getting longer. But think about this - autos do good with 20+ hours of light, and you are cutting that almost in half by choice, and you have no control over when they flower. Just my opinion.
I appreciate your opinions, and get what you're saying. Outdoors brings ton of problems, but I'm not sure I can keep my tent going where it's been going ( currently in my laundry room, that gets hotter when I use the drier ), because I think it'll get too hot come this summer.
With that said, I chose to run autos outdoors because my photoperiod plant started to rot due to soggy fall season last year. So I figured, if I started autos inside early, that should give them time to finish up by August.
 

H.A.F.

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I appreciate your opinions, and get what you're saying. Outdoors brings ton of problems, but I'm not sure I can keep my tent going where it's been going ( currently in my laundry room, that gets hotter when I use the drier ), because I think it'll get too hot come this summer.
With that said, I chose to run autos outdoors because my photoperiod plant started to rot due to soggy fall season last year. So I figured, if I started autos inside early, that should give them time to finish up by August.
Makes sense, and the bud rot was a big issue last fall for many outdoor guys. That Jorge Cervantes "bud-washing" video got shared a million times.

My understanding is that an auto will take about 90 days. it starts flowering in about a month, then 2 to ripen. I have heard of people having to shift to 12/12 after 45 days or so to start the flowering, then shift back. Either way, one that is in a solo cup now should be done by the end of July. I would try to keep it in the tent for that first month with a lot of light until you see pistils.
 

Tiflis

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Makes sense, and the bud rot was a big issue last fall for many outdoor guys. That Jorge Cervantes "bud-washing" video got shared a million times.

My understanding is that an auto will take about 90 days. it starts flowering in about a month, then 2 to ripen. I have heard of people having to shift to 12/12 after 45 days or so to start the flowering, then shift back. Either way, one that is in a solo cup now should be done by the end of July. I would try to keep it in the tent for that first month with a lot of light until you see pistils.
Running autos outdoors supposedly adds couple weeks of flowering time, read that on Mephisto website itself so I'll be happy if they finish no later than August.

I myself watched that video and used h2o2 to wash . Tell you what thou, it did nothing to the bud that had the rot. There was no washing that, I threw the cola over the fence lol .

As far as lights go man, I only have 2 fixtures, both 135 watter . They will have to suffice for now. Once my state goes legal then I will build a walk in climate controlled grow room :blsmoke: :fire::hump:
 

H.A.F.

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Running autos outdoors supposedly adds couple weeks of flowering time, read that on Mephisto website itself so I'll be happy if they finish no later than August.

I myself watched that video and used h2o2 to wash . Tell you what thou, it did nothing to the bud that had the rot. There was no washing that, I threw the cola over the fence lol .

As far as lights go man, I only have 2 fixtures, both 135 watter . They will have to suffice for now. Once my state goes legal then I will build a walk in climate controlled grow room :blsmoke: :fire::hump:
My flower room has 2 135v2's and I am perfectly happy with them. I have 5 plants flowering right now under them. I would rather have the 160's, but they were always out of stock when I had money. More wattage means more heat to deal with, so since these are doing what I need, I'm good.

The HLG 260 is just 2 135v2's mounted on the same heatsink, and run off a larger single driver (theur 320 is 2 of the 160 boards). I think having the individual 135's is better because it is easily adjustable for multiple plant heights. I have mine rigged so I can tilt them as well.
 

Tiflis

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My flower room has 2 135v2's and I am perfectly happy with them. I have 5 plants flowering right now under them. I would rather have the 160's, but they were always out of stock when I had money.
My plan was to buy the 260 watt dimmable but didn't have that much to drop on the light. Caved in and bought some seeds this 4/20..
Here are the tomatoes and the autos waiting to brake the soil
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Enough with my stuff , sorry for hijacking your thread man
Appreciate the info
 

H.A.F.

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My plan was to buy the 260 watt dimmable but didn't have that much to drop on the light. Caved in and bought some seeds this 4/20..
Here are the tomatoes and the autos waiting to brake the soil
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Enough with my stuff , sorry for hijacking your thread man
Appreciate the info
Now that you know, you only have to get one 135 at a time until you get all you need ;)
No worries about the thread, not my server space.
I started all my herbs, peppers and tomatoes in Feb under the 260 ;) IMG_7394.JPG All are getting flowers, and I should have tomatoes by June.
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But I hate dealing with bugs and pesticides, so I have the bulk outside getting better sun and rain. As a hedge against June-bugs and hornworms etc. I built this to keep one of each strain on the "inside" - just screened in with a clear plexi roof.
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Those huge herbs in the clay pots are dill. I'm harvesting a bunch today to use/dehydrate, and repotting them in bigger cloth pots. My main issue has been potting soil. As I harvest weed, I save all the soil and the pot for veggies ;)
 
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Tiflis

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Now that you know, you only have to get one 135 at a time until you get all you need ;)
No worries about the thread, not my server space.
I started all my herbs, peppers and tomatoes in Feb under the 260 ;) View attachment 4325648 All are getting flowers, and I should have tomatoes by June.
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But I hate dealing with bugs and pesticides, so I have the bulk outside getting better sun and rain. As a hedge against June-bugs and hornworms etc. I built this to keep one of each strain on the "inside" - just screened in with a clear plexi roof.
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Those huge herbs in the clay pots are dill. I'm harvesting a bunch today to use/dehydrate, and repotting them in bigger cloth pots. My main issue has been potting soil. As I harvest weed, I save all the soil and the pot for veggies ;)
I saw when you post that porch green house project, was already lurking around by then.. everything looks great man, you obviously have GREEN thumbs

Can't wait to see what this hlg light will do. Expecting a big difference between what I used this past run which also is 135 true watts, although advertised as 300
 

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H.A.F.

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I saw when you post that porch green house project, was already lurking around by then.. everything looks great man, you obviously have GREEN thumbs
Thanks - I'm part Irish ;) I think that's why I gravitate towards growing in dirt.
I have pretty good property (2 acres) but 75% is hardwoods and lots of shade. Not much garden area. I do have a good size patch of wild blackberries that just started producing, and 3 good vines of those climbing wild grapes. Muscadines I think. I got a few gallons last year, but I'm still clearing forest. I eventually want to rig some trellises for them and give it some effort. Might try making wine in a few years LOL.
 

H.A.F.

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I saw when you post that porch green house project, was already lurking around by then.t .
If you are doing a raised bed, look at having an overhead trellis and dropping strings to tie the plants (what I did inside). Much easier than stakes and ties, or cages. You tie some twine loosely around the trunk, then spiral it up to the top, then tie the twine overhead. as the top grows, you just keep wrapping it around the twine. I saw a video of a commercial grow that produces those half-ass tomatoes year round - but they had plants that were "indeterminate" and over 40' tall. The had a spool of twine above, wrapped the plants like I said, but they had a coil of old plant on a rack around the pot. They just kept lowering the twine as the plant got bigger and gradually LST'd the trunk around in a big circle.
 
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H.A.F.

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Back to weed! Semi-old/fully-retired dude - morning work - afternoon nap - night work ;)
I got all my plants tended to today.
The Jedi (bottom right) was a day behind the Hulk getting transplanted. I gave Bruce Banner about a dozen sprays of RO water, straight-streamed, straight down into the dirt away from where the roots should be to by now. Here's where the green-thumb part takes over. Every feeding plan you read talks about week one of veg, but not how they get there, and the plant is usually a month old before it needs that first full feeding. What I do is go by the leaves. I'll guess how much water to use based on the plant size, then water it in a ring about an inch or two past the leaves. I do have them domed for a few days after transplant with plastic bottles, just not for the pics.
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The Northern Lights got watered, which is why she looks droopy, but she has taken off since being put under the 260.
 

H.A.F.

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It's hard to get a good pic that displays the fatness on these already, 25 days from flip, and they just have a few brown pistils on top
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For context, 3/1/19, I saw this clone and thought "WOW, a natural manifold!" and went with it ;)
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