Grower vs Dealer: who should make more?
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DROPZILLA
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dude that's normal.. unless you know people and get hooked up, if you want the good, you have to pay for the good
cheddar1985
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This thead is aload of bollox haha ttt i had to see it for myself lmfao!!
Da Almighty Jew
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I think growing is a complex skill that you can learn. And for the people the want to charge high prices go for it. We definetly take alot of risks, i would think that accounts for a price increase. You have to factor in the cost of going to jail if you get caught.
Jogro
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Again, its economics 101 in this thread. . .
As if cannabis is the only product sold by greedy people? WRONG.
EVERYONE wants to make the maximum amount of money for what they are selling, be it weed, tomatoes, CDs, cars, apts, etc, etc. On the other end, everyone wants to pay as little as possible for EVERYTHING they are buying, be it weed, groceries, gasoline, tomoatoes, etc.
Greed is CONSTANT, like gravity. You assume that all buyers and all sellers are trying to make as much/spend as little money as possible, always.
The fact is, there are only two things that determine the price of weed: SUPPLY and DEMAND. . .same as everything else on the planet.
The price of weed is what the market can bear. . .period. Nobody is forcing anyone to pay any given price. People only sell at a price they're willing to take, and buy at a price they're willing to spend.
If you think a seller is asking too much, you're free to go buy it anywhere else you think you can find it cheaper. When everyone ELSE does the same, the seller won't move any product and will be forced to lower his prices. In contrast, if you're a seller, you can ask more for your product. . .if AND ONLY if. . .there isn't competition selling the same stuff cheaper.
Conversely, if you are a seller and you think all the other sellers in your area are asking too much , you're free to charge less, undercut all the competition, and take away their market share.
That's how free markets work. . .you charge less, you sell more. Of course you can only lower your price to a point where you can still make an acceptable profit.
This is also why the price of weed varies heavily depending on where you are buying it, even if the materials cost of growing it is similar.
Greed is IRRELEVANT.
As if cannabis is the only product sold by greedy people? WRONG.
EVERYONE wants to make the maximum amount of money for what they are selling, be it weed, tomatoes, CDs, cars, apts, etc, etc. On the other end, everyone wants to pay as little as possible for EVERYTHING they are buying, be it weed, groceries, gasoline, tomoatoes, etc.
Greed is CONSTANT, like gravity. You assume that all buyers and all sellers are trying to make as much/spend as little money as possible, always.
The fact is, there are only two things that determine the price of weed: SUPPLY and DEMAND. . .same as everything else on the planet.
The price of weed is what the market can bear. . .period. Nobody is forcing anyone to pay any given price. People only sell at a price they're willing to take, and buy at a price they're willing to spend.
If you think a seller is asking too much, you're free to go buy it anywhere else you think you can find it cheaper. When everyone ELSE does the same, the seller won't move any product and will be forced to lower his prices. In contrast, if you're a seller, you can ask more for your product. . .if AND ONLY if. . .there isn't competition selling the same stuff cheaper.
Conversely, if you are a seller and you think all the other sellers in your area are asking too much , you're free to charge less, undercut all the competition, and take away their market share.
That's how free markets work. . .you charge less, you sell more. Of course you can only lower your price to a point where you can still make an acceptable profit.
This is also why the price of weed varies heavily depending on where you are buying it, even if the materials cost of growing it is similar.
Total Head
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i don't understand how some of you continue to justify $400+ ounces.
if you run 2 1000w, some fans, filters, a floro veg/clone area, the whole deal, your production scale goes WAY up over someone like myself who flowers with a single 400w.
i spend about 30 bucks a month on electricity (including my floro veg tent and some fans), and about 60 on supplies.
so after a 3 month grow cycle i have at LEAST 7 ounces of smoke, and have spent under 300 dollars to do it. i spend no more than an hour and a half total on my grow each week, or less than 14 hours over 3 months. i then spend a few hours trimming.
so to recap, every 3 months i spend 300 bucks and 18 hours and get close to a half pound.
7 ounces at 400 bucks = 2800
minus the 300 i spent out of pocket = 2500
divided by the 14 hours i spent = $179 an hour
by some of your standards the time i spend should be billed at a rate of $179 a fucking hour??? and that's not greedy?
you can argue that fancier setups require more money and time, but if that investment of time and money doesn't increase your production scale then you should just tear it down and sell subway tokens instead. absolutely insane.
if you run 2 1000w, some fans, filters, a floro veg/clone area, the whole deal, your production scale goes WAY up over someone like myself who flowers with a single 400w.
i spend about 30 bucks a month on electricity (including my floro veg tent and some fans), and about 60 on supplies.
so after a 3 month grow cycle i have at LEAST 7 ounces of smoke, and have spent under 300 dollars to do it. i spend no more than an hour and a half total on my grow each week, or less than 14 hours over 3 months. i then spend a few hours trimming.
so to recap, every 3 months i spend 300 bucks and 18 hours and get close to a half pound.
7 ounces at 400 bucks = 2800
minus the 300 i spent out of pocket = 2500
divided by the 14 hours i spent = $179 an hour
by some of your standards the time i spend should be billed at a rate of $179 a fucking hour??? and that's not greedy?
you can argue that fancier setups require more money and time, but if that investment of time and money doesn't increase your production scale then you should just tear it down and sell subway tokens instead. absolutely insane.
Jogro
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Bluntly, I don't think you understand how markets work.
In a free market you can ask whatever you like. . .$100 an ounce or $10,000 an ounce. The reality is, that ultimately buyers will only pay as much as they think its worth. The intersection of what sellers are asking, and what buyers are willing to pay is what determines the price, not "greed".
The only person that has to "justify" $400 an ounce is the person paying it.
If you can grow it yourself cheaply, weed may not be worth much to you. If its not worth that much to YOU, then YOU don't have to pay it. But just because you think $400 an ounce is too high, doesn't mean *I* think it is. I may not have the ability or desire to grow my own, and in fact, that's probably true of most smokers.
If lots of people ARE happy to pay $400 an ounce (and yes. . .absolutely they are), then that's by definition a fair price.
Again, greed has nothing to do with this. . .its supply and demand. If demand is high, and supply is low, prices will be high. If demand is low and supply is high, prices will be low.
For example, go to Mexico city and you can buy a mid-level OUNCE of decent, if not exceptional stuff on the street for well under $20. A *KILO* can be had for $200. Is that because Mexican drug cartels aren't "greedy"? No, its because supply is high in Mexico, and the economy is weak.
Again, this has nothing to do with greed.
Growing cannabis requires dedicated space, equipment, specialized skills, and happens to be illegal, the latter thing significantly increasing the asking price.
If the risk you're taking growing and selling might lead to you spending several years in prison, then the $179 per hour you earn growing might be considered ridiculously cheap (especially if you add in the hours spent behind bars to your total hours spent!).
Again, actual manufacturing cost (ie your materials cost in growing) is only one small factor in the ultimate cost. You also have to factor in distribution, transportation, and most importantly risk costs.
Sunbiz1
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Do you even do outdoor grows?. Tell you what, come July you can start hauling water for me in 95 degree heat and no cell phone(lol). Granted, indoor grows are easier but 10-30 minutes a week?. It takes me longer to drive for worm castings etc. The market price in this area for high end is already 350/oz for hydro grown kush, and I didn't set the prices to begin with. So if I were ever to sell my organically grown sativa, 400 would be a bargain b/c the market is indica dominated. If I grew Panama red, I'd charge 600.HahaI've never heard this line before
Growers get to make a comfortable living without having to really do sweet fuck all there than sit around the house for the majority of the day getting stoned and watching tv. The concept of comparing growing to a full time job in term of hour and pay is a bloody amusing notion. If i were t charge as most folk do, say £180 an ounce, i'd be earning £600 an hour for my labour, maybe a touch less including trimming time (although i could just as eaisly hash the whole lot and maintain it at the £600 point)
cheers
SirLancelot
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It's business, bottom line. If your unhappy with the arrangments make a new contract 
cannawizard
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50/50 .. make greed work for you; not against you... duh?
.. make greed work for you; not against you... duh?
skunkd0c
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huge profit margins for all to share, this tends to make folk greedy
for me its costs £0.20 to produce 1 gram .. for the cost of electricity food / growing media etc
at the opposite far end of the scale it is sold for £10 per gram thats about $15
50g can be produced/grown for the same cost as buying 1g
i would never buy it myself its way to expensive
happy growing
peace
for me its costs £0.20 to produce 1 gram .. for the cost of electricity food / growing media etc
at the opposite far end of the scale it is sold for £10 per gram thats about $15
50g can be produced/grown for the same cost as buying 1g
i would never buy it myself its way to expensive
happy growing
peace
tip top toker
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Haha, aye, after a couple of nice harvests, the concept of buying an 8th off your dealer is just a ludicrous notion, how in hell did i used to justify £10 a night for a couple of joints? :/huge profit margins for all to share, this tends to make folk greedy
for me its costs £0.20 to produce 1 gram .. for the cost of electricity food / growing media etc
at the opposite far end of the scale it is sold for £10 per gram thats about $15
50g can be produced/grown for the same cost as buying 1g
i would never buy it myself its way to expensive
happy growing
peace
cannabiscuit7
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lol those prices blow.
i get grams of regs. for $2
some decent sensimilla $5 a gram
hydro $10 1.5 g
medical $10 1g
and thats my hookup,im in the midwest(non medical),anyone else will charge you double that lol
cannawizard
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california weed prices matches the mentality = Retarded 
missnu
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Here is my question...how do you guys figure out what power is used for your plant vs...everything else in a place using power? How do you know how much electricity it takes...I mean I guess I could turn everything off in the rest of the house and watch the spinny meter thingy and see how many killowatt hours the lights and fans and such are using...but seems like a lot of trouble...I have seen no noticeable increase in power consumption or price...so....How would I figure out how much it costs vs how much the end product is worth?