Grower vs Dealer: who should make more?

rooky1985 said:

It is a risky business all together where I'm at so I may be a little biassed. With that said in my circles we all have similar things at risk and never sell to a new face. If your willing to take some extra risk and work 100% minus grow cost obviusly, but that make for great margins.

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yer if your willing to put in the work u will get the rewards and if your only dealing with people u know ur minimising the risk. however dealing with 1-2 people is always going to be safer than dealing with 20-30. but thats why u make more money dealing with more people.
i think it all comes down to how much the grower wants to work and profit he wants to make, some arecontent with making a decent profit and let others make some cash of it too. while others really want to optimize there grow and squeeze every last penny out of it

Grower definitely comes out on top...

If you do a SoG, and harvest every 30 days you could easily pull in $1,000-$2,000 per month.

As a grower you have to learn how to minimize variable costs, while maximizing your yield & profit.

IMO the dealer is gettin screwed because he is paying someone for a service that he could easily do himself.

It's like paying someone to change your oil every 3,000 miles - you can easily do this yourself, but you'd rather pay Jiffy Lube $19.99 to do it for you.

pittsborogrowerr;6806103]How do the two numbers correlate?

I'm a grower - I front out an oz @ $150 - you owe me $150 after you sell the oz. Now you can sell the whole zip for $200 and make $50 or you can sell $20 grams and make $410 after paying me back. Whether you make $50 or $410 is your own business, all I care about is my $150 for the oz I fronted you.[/QUOTE]

Hey need to get in touch with you dude seriously!!

The grower should make more profit. We have decades of horticultural experience, whereas a dealer only needs 3rd grade math skills and a scale.

Salesmen are a necessity at times b/c I would rather focus on producing the best products on the planet as opposed to distribution.

Which is the very same reasoning manufacturers don't want to bother selling directly to consumers for the majority of non-cannabis products.

Sunbiz1 said:

The grower should make more profit. We have decades of horticultural experience, whereas a dealer only needs 3rd grade math skills and a scale.

Salesmen are a necessity at times b/c I would rather focus on producing the best products on the planet as opposed to distribution.

Which is the very same reasoning manufacturers don't want to bother selling directly to consumers for the majority of non-cannabis products.

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ya agreed.. but it sucks wen u grow. and run out.. and then no1 can get u the quality u were selling them without RAPING u with a price.. i can sell zips all day for 300.. or 50 a 8th.. but wen im trying to get a qp or hp.. people want 250 a zip.. its tough.. i couldnt find a good connect if i tried anymore.. seems like northeast is covered in garbage weed for hella high prices.

I sell as a grower and sell to friends at a fair price.. They sell only to friends at a mark up of 25%. The people buying know they are getting good smoke at a good price, and everyone is happy. Everyone is so happy, the buyers buy a lot, the middle man sells a lot, and I make a lot through volume. Kinda like Walmart. Peace

when I grew (once, successfully...and the quality turned out real well because I was patient and very nurturing to the plants)...I was one of those whom PREFERED to have middle men pushing the product for me. I didn't want to meet a lot of people and sell 8ths, even if it meant I could've earned 1/3rd more per oz. I staggered my harvests so it's tough to say how many ounces I got (about a pound I think) but I sold every oz for $240. Some of my retailers even said "you know, this is good stuff..."headies"...and you could get at least $280 for an oz" and I said yeah, I could, but greedy wholesalers tend to get fucked over if they don't keep some margin room open for retailers. I grew once as a means to an end financially...the money got me out of a tough spot, and in the future I'd like to grow purely for personal consumption

AHoleNotherLevel420 said:

ya agreed.. but it sucks wen u grow. and run out.. and then no1 can get u the quality u were selling them without RAPING u with a price.. i can sell zips all day for 300.. or 50 a 8th.. but wen im trying to get a qp or hp.. people want 250 a zip.. its tough.. i couldnt find a good connect if i tried anymore.. seems like northeast is covered in garbage weed for hella high prices.

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I could be wrong, but it's my understanding that much of the cannabis in the NE is imported from Canada. That in itself means there are not enough domestic growers to keep up w/the huge population on the eastern seaboard.

You all need to start growing more.

The last time I ran out, I got so pissed at the bullshit market I made sure it would never happen again...even tossed a few clones I didn't have room for.

Fuck paying for other grower's mistakes, and a middleman or 4.

Peace

growers, do more work, take same amount of risk plus possible incurred risk from dealing it or middle mooking it out and possible incurring their possible risk. . . . .you want your bread cheap go make it yourself-chicken and the bread

I think it varies. Obviously the risk is why there exists such a markup. Selling home made T-shirts doesn't run you the risk of going to prison. If the grower deals with only a small group of people that they trust, it will be more secure for them and they can lower the costs as it is lowering the risk. However dealing large quantities of any illegal product risks lengthy prison terms and the risk should be reflected in the reward and the grower only has to make a few large sales. However the dealer can minimize their risk by dealing to a small and trusted clientele and also minimize the risk which can lower the price.

If I was to deal, I would prefer to only deal amongst a few friends and in larger quantities so that I could sell to people I trust and not have to worry about getting ripped off or arrested by law enforcement as I would trust my customers. If however I was dealing and unable to do so, if I had to deal with strangers and worry about being ripped off or arrested because I did not have a good clientele that I could deal to exclusively, than I would want more money as I am risking more. Especially if I am dealing in smaller quantities.

If I was growing and had to deal with strangers, I would be very hesitant to deal with strangers and in large quantities that a grower will typically sell. It makes much more sense for me to sell a few pounds to one or two people I trust than start making smaller deals with quantities that will put me in prison for the same amount of time. If one criminal charge for dealing a pound of weed is the same charge I would face for dealing an ounce, than I would rather lower my risk and get rid of it in one deal. Safer for me in the longrun, especially if I trust the person.

In a state with Medical Marijuana, I would much prefer to sell to a dispensary as I would feel more comfortable selling to a business then meeting someone somewhere.

Either way the market will set the value, and I don't think it is greedy to markup a product so much if people are willing to pay. Weed is not something that a person needs or they will die without it. It is not food, air, shelter, or even a medical treatment. If it is so important that someone demands a better price, tell them to grown their own and to deal with it. Everyone involved takes a risk and it is up to them to set the price for that risk. Any sort of criminal enterprise boils down to eliminating the risks. Growing one plant is much easier and safer than 100 plants. But the reward is not nearly the same.

So for those who think the dealer should make more, why? If they only sell to one person who deals it out, then the risk is minimal? They worry about having it in their possession as they will have the plants longer, well if they are smart and only let a minimal amount of people know they grow, then the risk goes down dramatically. And if the dealer minimizes the risk and only sells to a small group of folks, then it will lower his or her risk and they don't have to worry as much.

Alexorcara said:

Yeah yeah I know how selling and growing usually works. The grower sells to the dealer, who inflates the price and, well, deals it. But say that it isn't being run the way it usually is. Say it's being run like a bank (kinda.) the grower fronts an ounce or two to 3 or 4 friends who happen to know how to sell. Assume the friendealers don't try to rip the grower off. (this method is a really common thing around here) Say each dealer gets $100 for that ounce (not a realistic price I know.) this 100 is then split between the dealer who sold it, and the grower. How, in your opinion, should it be split up? I know people who go 50/50, 60/40, 40/60, hell all the way to 85/15. But what do you think the ratio should be? And in who's favour?

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Smoke it all...

dealing is stupid to start with. if you were a dealing-selling for me i would pay you minimum wage plus commission(bonus for lots of sails) 50-50 is way too good of a cut in this situation. my boss at my manufacturing job doesn't giv me half the $ he makes off the shit i build for him. i make a 10,000 dollar unit in a week and get a 500$ check once a week. there are WAY less growers then dealers. growers should get 90%. dealers 10%. i might go 80/20 but id cry about it.

$waGgEr said:

dealing is stupid to start with. if you were a dealing-selling for me i would pay you minimum wage plus commission(bonus for lots of sails) 50-50 is way too good of a cut in this situation. my boss at my manufacturing job doesn't giv me half the $ he makes off the shit i build for him. i make a 10,000 dollar unit in a week and get a 500$ check once a week. there are WAY less growers then dealers. growers should get 90%. dealers 10%. i might go 80/20 but id cry about it.

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First of all, no one would sell for you with that mindset. EVER.
Second, if you by some miracle found someone to work for you they would fuck you over at every turn and you would be the first name they give the cops if they got caught.
So good luck.

$waGgEr said:

dealing is stupid to start with. if you were a dealing-selling for me i would pay you minimum wage plus commission(bonus for lots of sails) 50-50 is way too good of a cut in this situation. my boss at my manufacturing job doesn't giv me half the $ he makes off the shit i build for him. i make a 10,000 dollar unit in a week and get a 500$ check once a week. there are WAY less growers then dealers. growers should get 90%. dealers 10%. i might go 80/20 but id cry about it.

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$waGgEr no one would work for you for that especially when it's a risky competitive market. Plus you're manufacturing sanrio doesn't apply here. You're in an illegal business with a different set of rules. Plus if a 9-5 worker feels underpaid his only option is to find a new job while if you try to be a cheap ass and piss off dealers/sellers, they can be the reason your "company" goes out of business for a few years mandatory.

A Grower shouldn't give 2 fucks about what a Dealer is doing, how much he's selling it for, or what profit he makes... The Grower should set the price that they want to sell for, and a Dealer has the option for buying from the Grower who's offering the best price. The Dealer should then sell at a price of their choosing. One has nothing to do with the other. Both choose the amount of profit they want to make based on the market.

Grower should sell at a low price say 2k a p. That way it will move faster than you can grow and your buyers will be happy. Who's really gonna flip on the guy hookin you up

Big Trees said:

Grower should sell at a low price say 2k a p. That way it will move faster than you can grow and your buyers will be happy. Who's really gonna flip on the guy hookin you up

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The dealer who's facing jail time...

its called they can make another 2k selling it to a dealer, and then that dealer sells the ounces, and that dealer splits the zips. so the person that bought gets busted, has to flip on dealer 1. dealer one would have to flip on 2, 2 on 3 then it would be you. Makes a large chain when you're selling it cheap plus you're dude has the money to get a high powered lawyer. Creates more security unless the growers buyer sells to cop or you do.

or you can rock a glock which is just as effective

Big Trees said:

its called they can make another 2k selling it to a dealer, and then that dealer sells the ounces, and that dealer splits the zips. so the person that bought gets busted, has to flip on dealer 1. dealer one would have to flip on 2, 2 on 3 then it would be you. Makes a large chain when you're selling it cheap plus you're dude has the money to get a high powered lawyer. Creates more security unless the growers buyer sells to cop or you do.

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No long chain. Dealer #1 who's getting hooked up and facing a long jail sentence for having most of that weight just sold to him plus with intent to distribute snitches out the guy with Botanical Gardens growing in his basement for a reduced sentence based on his high powered lawyer's recommendations.

Big Trees said:

Grower should sell at a low price say 2k a p. That way it will move faster than you can grow and your buyers will be happy. Who's really gonna flip on the guy hookin you up

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Why would you sell something for way lower than anyone else? It isnt like a dealer would turn around and think "wow I paid half price for this so Ill charge half price for it" .He would keep the savings and you would just be doubling his profit.

Now I dont mean its stupid to hook up friends or sick people for a lower than market price, but a dealer?? C'mon man He's not gonna give you a birthday card or hook you up with his sister or anything.