Dutch Passion Master Kush grow

oldfogey8

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also, some of the buds are starting to 'foxtail', mainly the tallest ones. from what i've read it is prolly (lazy mans probably) due to them getting close to the lights. my son raised them 'bout an inch a couple of days ago. i have also read that i should enjoy the added growth/mass.
 

oldfogey8

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my fan leaves are really starting to change color(green to yellow). i think that means the plants are depleting their nitrogen stores. they also look like they may be having some calcium or magnesium deficiency. the smell is getting pretty strong too. they are beginning to overpower the carbon filter and the numerous air fresheners i have going on. when i looked this morning with my eye loupe, i still could not find many amber trichomes. i hope i didn't stop the nutes too soon. i am starting to give them less water too to begin drying them out. tomorrow they will get about a half gallon each with some molasses and a touch of snow storm ultra. i will post some pics tomorrow too.
 

oldfogey8

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some of the calyxes are frickin' huge too. the tent got a bit warmer than normal too today. the freezing temps subsided today and i had a flood after 'fixing' my washing machine so the dehumidifier worked overtime. that puts out some good heat. the temp was 78 in the tent. it had been running in the low 70's for quite a while. it is indian summer in my microenvironment...
 

budbro18

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Yeah i always noticed when it got a little warmer it boosted the growth rate in my tent. Happened to me too cause it changed to spring temps for the last few days. (north east spring so around 50)

You can always give em a little nutes if needed. Just somethin with some N and P in it since the snowstorm has most of the K taken care of. It started happening to my Auto Cheese but i just gave it a good feeding of water to make sure it wasnt over nute problem, continued to yellow so i threw in some more dyna gro GROW bottle since it is higher in N but still has some good PK numbers. Bounced back in about 3 days. You wont really see ambers til the last week to few days before harvest. And since you dont want it more upidy of a high youll want to chop when you see a few of them start to pop up everywhere. Solid week at least.
 

oldfogey8

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i don't think they are starvin' just yet. i just think they are plants in decline. most of the fan leaves are good and green, some not even light green. there's still salt stains on the bottom of the felt pots but then again, the roots get air trimmed there, right, so the plants can't access those nutes. i may give them like a quarter dose. no camg+ though. i think i went too long with that on my other grow and it took forever to get rid of the metallic taste.
 

Silky Shagsalot

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I never really measure run-off. It could mean alot of things. mainly, by the time the water gets to the bottom a good amount of the nutes get trapped/absobed into roots/medium so that can change it alot. I usually ph around 6.5-7 for all of growth.
EXACTLY!!! ph'ing run-off (imo) is a waste of time. as stated, you're washing out stuff, so it won't be the same as when it went in!!!
 

oldfogey8

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todays pics show the leave color change. i gave the girls a very dilute feeding(1 tsp of bio thrive bloom, 3 tsp of molasses/gal) plus a full dose of snow storm ultra(2 tsp/gal) and watered pretty heavily(1.5 gallons each). noted a few more amber trichs today. i want to harvest on christmas but may have to wait...
 

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budbro18

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Lookin nice and frosty! Youre good til the end thats for sure. Barely any yellowing that i can see. I really wanted to harvest my auto on xmas or short after so i can have some good self made for the new year haha. But i decided against it and im gonna let it hit the full 75 days recommended maybe even one or 2 more.

Ive never been a big auto fan but theyve been dialin em in. They can definitely be good smelling and tasting. This auto cheese is stankin up the place. And if it smokes half as good as it looks itll be a keeper in my book. If only i could clone autos. Might have to get some more of these seeds soon and do a little auto SOG. Or maybe hit one with CS and get some fem pollen and seeds of my own so i dont have to buy any.

Good luck on the holiday harvest! haha
 

oldfogey8

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does the autoflower day count start with veg or is it from when you see flowers? the permutations of growing for me just seem to increase the more i look into it. it is nothing like when i was a kid and i just threw some bag seed in a wet paper towel and hoped. lol.

good luck to you as well.

my issue with going past christmas is i may be out of town and i don't want to get home to plants covered with ambers... that would be my luck. i had 2 thai seeds germinating and it usually has taken a bit over a week for me to see sprouts but i was out of town and they both sprouted and grew like bamboo. one rotted when it grew into the saran wrap covering...
 

budbro18

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Well most autos say the time from start to finish. So 75 days is from probably a few days after germination all the way til day 75 ish where ill be harvesting. Some will say a flower time but i have no clue exactly when thatd start.

Id definitely grow it again in a SOG style with a 400w and a bigger tent. Looks like i should get at least a zip off this one and if i had 2 in there id probably get the same off each.
 

oldfogey8

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bud - i am so far out of touch, i had to google zip. i assumed it was an ounce. used to call it a 'z'. it looks like you get more than an ounce off your plants though.

in thinking about it though, a couple of ounces every 75 days would be pretty sweet...
 

budbro18

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Haha i feel it everyone has their own slang. In my big set up i get multiple zips per plant but with auto flowers theyre kinda like an egg timer. Once you germ it the clock starts ticking and you have a limited amount of days of veg before flower. Most strains only have about 2 weeks of veg if that before they start flowering/stretching. Kind of like a 12/12 from seed grow.

Auto flowers are real root bitches. Meaning the bigger the pot the bigger the yield, the smaller the pot the smaller the yield. My pot was between 1 and 2 gallons. If i had a 5 gallon bucket id probably get closer to 2 zips off it.

The real nice thing about autos though is the lack of skill and equipment for a perpetual harvest, which is as soon as you harvest a set of plants more are going right into flower.

With autos you can grow 2 or 3 of them at first, let them go for a month, then start 2 or 3 more, let those go for a month, by now the first ones you started are just about done flowering, start some more autos a week or so before that harvest and boom. Once a month so its not even every 75 days.

Normally, you need a veg tent, a mother tent, a clone box, and a flower box multiple lights/timers/pots for transplanting.

But with autos you can just have 1 tent/box with 1 light set to 1 time period. Only need to be put in 1 pot size their whole life.

The only real down sides to them is inability to clone, flavor/potency and yield only because its controlled by time, the yield isnt bad on autos at all, but its completely up to the plant and amount of light you have how much it grows.

And flavor/potency has really gotten better over the past few years because autos are crosses between hemp (ruderalis) and usually an indica or indica dominant hybrid then bred enough to make them consistently auto flower. Im not sure how much that is but now a days they have enough standard autos that they can just cross different autos with different autos so they can make f1s and f2s of things easier without having to work out auto flowering traits.They wont set any records for most thc but they will have a good amount and get you where you need to be.

Inability to be cloned can be fixed by buying more seeds or the better way of making your own S1 seeds. Where you start one FEM auto first by itself, spray it with colloidal silver to make it revert to male and make pollen, then you let it grow to maturity and harvest the pollen.

Then either grow out another single plant and hit it by itself with the pollen (which id recommend) or you can grow a whole set of plants and try to paint brush some onto some of the buds. This is hard and youre almost guaranteed to pollinate most if not all of the plant in the garden. One plant can give you at least 100 seeds if fully pollinated and the male pollen can be stored for a while to hit any more mothers. I wouldnt pollinate the prodigy of the original male because of bad inbred traits so id keep a hand full of original seeds from the breeder around to run a single plant to pollinate every year or so to reup on your seed stash.

Sorry for the in depth ramble. Thats my knowledge of autos up to this point.
 

oldfogey8

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thanks for the cliff note version. sounds interesting but i am still waiting to see how the new mmj law shakes out here. i may be unable to get a hardship grow exemption and that would make it more dangerous for me. i am not a heavy smoker anyway. my first harvest netted me 130 or so grams. that as lasted me (and supplemented my sons recreational use) since may or june. i'm kind of a pussy, huh? lol...

i also like the idea of being surprised so if i do continue to grow all the time, i think it will be having schizophrenic grows where i flit from one strain to another. i am trying to keep samples of my different plants 'for a rainy day' too so i can reminisce from time to time.
 

oldfogey8

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8 weeks today into 12/12. it is a green christmas. these girls have a smattering of amber trichs. i am thinking another week or so and then i will harvest them. backing off on watering. i gave them a really light dose of snow storm ultra and molasses(probably a teaspoon of each in a gallon and a half of water. probably will go dark for the last few days soon.
 

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budbro18

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Merry Christmas!!!

Glad to see youre almost done and everythings lookin perfect!

Ill be choppin my mini cabs auto cheese around the time youre harvesting.
 

oldfogey8

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the girls were looking pretty sad this morning. the sugar leaf edges are getting purple and brown and they are starting to curl up a bit. i am still not seeing a lot of amber tirchomes, like a few per plant. lots of clear and cloudy trichs. so i am thinking i jumped the gun maybe on thinking i would be harvesting around 8 weeks. in my panic, i gave them a light dose of biothrive bloom and molasses and snowstorm. now i am obsessing and thinking i should have kept going down the same path i had chosen. i am guessing this is why a lot of the experts here say to pick a strain and become proficient with it. aside from the lack of amber trichs, these plants show all the signs of being ready for harvest. the pistils are mostly brown/red. they are receding into the swollen calyxes. they have been flowering for 7 weeks(8 weeks since they were put into 12/12 lighting). the strain is supposed to finish in 8 and a half weeks according to the dutch passion website. sometimes i think i should hide the key to the grow room from myself...
 

oldfogey8

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aaahhhhhhhgggg! what is this? i am close to harvest. am i fucked? i have only found one of these but i am frickin' puckerin'! those buds are for me and my sons not some bug! any suggestions are appreciated.
 

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stoneslacker

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Sorry fogey not sure what it is. If you only found one it's probably just some random bug made its way into your grow area.

Just keep an eye open for more or signs of stress on the leaves, ie. bite marks, secretions.
 

oldfogey8

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thx stones. that is my plan but being the ocd freak that i am i imagined it was probably some species that would consume my bushes overnight...
 

oldfogey8

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no more bugs at this point so i think it was a random bug that hitched into the house on the cats, the dog, one of my family or was maybe an egg in some of the rain water i used. i am still not seeing too many amber trichs. the buds be a fattenin' up though. i am trimming away the fan leaves as they yellow to allow more light to get to the buds/sugar leaves and to allow for more air circulation. the smell is really nice. i watered with a dash of molasses and a dash of snow storm ultra. a lot of purple tinge is starting to show too. slowly tapering off waterings. hind sight is 20/20. i am wishing i had continued with the nutes like normal for another week or two. probably could have gotten some bigger yield. on a bright note though, i smoked a half a joint with my son last night of the un-ripen, underling buds that i trimmed off a cople weeks ago. nice flavor. nice buzz that makes you want to go run around. going to keep some of that for a rainy day.
 
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