DEFOLIATION . . . . a hands on approach!

DCobeen said:

I just was in RM3's garden and you can hide a powerade 32 oz bottle behind his buds. He wasnt lying when he said "I have some of the strongest weed in the world" his ctf which I grew is amazing and strong. I looked at his gauges and will see my canopy temps as my room is usually around 76-80 with lights on and I know the canopy is hotter. Dont buy or use the mj nutrients as they will just cost you 5x more $$$. My weed is amazing and Rm3 has better but I expect that as he is teaching me how to do it right. When he types listen. We just had a bunch of us from his thread meet up and we all agreed his is the strongest weed we have smoked hands down. There was a few that was close but he is the king.

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Yeah. I'm still bummin' I missed it.

you live so close you should have made it. you missed a great time.

Defoliation works and works well.
Increases yield ! I have tested this.
Works like crazy in Hydro.

DCobeen said:

you live so close you should have made it. you missed a great time.

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It was a bad weekend for me.

Defoliation and flushing will be a never ending debate for whatever reasons. Im not gonna continue to argue. They both work when done correctly.

Its not by some imaginery fairy who came down and tried these techniques and methods out to fck with people. They are tried and true methods that definetely work and the reasoning and science behind them is simple and easy to understand. Whether you use them or dont it doesnt matter but its there for you to try out and see for yourself.

My friends wife is a laboratory cannabis analyst who tests flowers for dispensaries. Primarily to see what amounts of fertilizers, pesticides, molds, fungus and the obvious thc, cbn & cbd content of flowers.

Plants that are flushed when growing synthetic nutrients contain way less contaminants, heavy metals and less nutrient residuals stored in their cells. Thc and terpene content on flushed plants is usually higher and often is able to cure and break down chlorophyll leading to better flowers for consumption. They have these labs and pay people specifically to test this stuff out and it obviously works because I see the evidence with my own eyes. And anyone can google the information themselves. Having first hand information regarding this subject and access to someone who does this for a living I am absoltely positive and rest assured correct as this information I am giving you is absolutely true.

Take it for what its worth noone needs to believe me im just giving me input and information that I know first hand and I am passing it along to anyone interested. I like to know what im smoking and ingesing into my body. So for me this information is important and if I can flush my plants to remove and limit the amounts of cancer causing heavy metals and contaminants in my flowers by using water and enzymes to break down the crap we forced our plants to uptake than I am all for it.

Plants that are flushed when growing synthetic nutrients contain way less contaminants, heavy metals and less nutrient residuals stored in their cells.

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Please post just one scientific paper that details how flushing a plant removes heavy metals from its cells once they are there?

U can use almost any nutrients out there to grow bud. It comes down to personal preference and what works best for you.

I would never use those products because I dont like using straight synthetic fertilizers because I know what they do to final product. Theres nothing better than the taste, smells and aromas from growing organics. Theres nothing wrong w running those nutrients and ppl proly like em because they are so cheap and inexpensive. And if thats your goal to save money than use it and enjoy. Im just not a fan of their products for that reason.

Im sure they work great, but the stuff ive seen from jacks i wasnt impressed at all. But thats my experience with it and I cant speak for anyone else. I only know what I have seen for myself and my experiences with it, that doesnt mean I am correct at all, its just what I know thru personal experience.

Just like everyone else trying to argue about shit. U only know what u know it doesnt mean ur right or wrong. Thats just ur experience from limited exposure to certain things its not a fault and doesnt make u right or wrong. Thats the great thing about life we live and learn, im just a person who wants to see proof in something before I talk about it with no conviction based on what I know.

Its like the guy Dr. Whoever he is saying that oh Jorge Cervantes says to leave your leaves on and not to defoliate.

Well theres 10 other master growers who say you absolutely should defoliate.

So the big question lies: who is right?

You cant just take someones word for it because u like them, you need to find out for urself. Im not a person who listens to one guy tell me something wrong and run with it unless I ve done the research for myself and prove it isnt true.

Thats the same reason scientist repeatedly do the same expirements over and over and over. And until they get the same exact results every time than it is nothing more than a theory not a principle. but they never take someone else's words for it ever. You just cant do that, u need to try it for yourself.

Cannabil said:

Its like the guy Dr. Whoever he is saying that oh Jorge Cervantes says to leave your leaves on and not to defoliate.

Well theres 10 other master growers who say you absolutely should defoliate.

So the big question lies: who is right?

You cant just take someones word for it because u like them, you need to find out for urself. Im not a person who listens to one guy tell me something wrong and run with it unless I ve done the research for myself and prove it isnt true.

Thats the same reason scientist repeatedly do the same expirements over and over and over. And until they get the same exact results every time than it is nothing more than a theory not a principle. but they never take someone else's words for it ever. You just cant do that, u need to try it for yourself.

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did you miss my question? I'll repeat it

Plants that are flushed when growing synthetic nutrients contain way less contaminants, heavy metals and less nutrient residuals stored in their cells.

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Please post just one scientific paper that details how flushing a plant removes heavy metals from its cells once they are there?

so, WHY DON"T THE BUDS YELLOW WHEN FLUSHING??????????????????????????????????????????????????????

RM3 said:

did you miss my question? I'll repeat it


Please post just one scientific paper that details how flushing a plant removes heavy metals from its cells once they are there?

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Youre not gonna remove all the heavy metals they get stored into cells and tissue. But when you flush youre removing excess nutrients and additional metals into the flowers during ripening stage. And when u test the flowers for metal and nutrient content obviously the flushed ones dont have nearly as much heavy metals and contaminants in their flowers.

Go on youtube or videos they have on heavy 16 and other synthetic nutrients people were putting the flowers in the microwave and they were sparking from all the contaminants in the shit.

Thats why I dont use straight synthetic shit like jacks, dynagro, heavy 16 or gh that are all lab made synthetics. Theres so much shit if u knew what was in there u wudnt even want to smoke it.

chuck estevez said:

so, WHY DON"T THE BUDS YELLOW WHEN FLUSHING??????????????????????????????????????????????????????

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They would turn yellow if you just gave them water for 4 straight weeks. Because they wud use all the stored nutrients in the plant to stay green. Once those stored reserves went to 0 ur flowers would turn yellow.

You obviously are harvesting and picking them before this happens buddy

Its funny you can have 2 of the biggest well known cannabis cultivators argue over defoliation and flushing. Just look at Cervantes vs Rosenthal.

Cervantes says dont remove leaves and Rosenthal says you should absolutely remove leaves on big tall bushy indoor plants.

Same goes for flushing one guy says you should other guy says its doesnt matter. U can listen to whoever u want. Im just on the side of defoliation and flushing, because I see a difference in my final yields and quality.

Its no point in arguing youre not gonna change my opinion I probably wont change yours. So im posting my knowledge and experience if you like it great, if u disagree so be it.

Im at least adding information as to why it works. Youre just saying it doesnt and cant provide any argument as to why.

Cannabil said:

They would turn yellow if you just gave them water for 4 straight weeks. Because they wud use all the stored nutrients in the plant to stay green. Once those stored reserves went to 0 ur flowers would turn yellow.

You obviously are harvesting and picking them before this happens buddy

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so, then you didn't Flush/remove anything from the buds then,right?

and that's not flushing, that's killing them

Cannabil said:

They would turn yellow if you just gave them water for 4 straight weeks. Because they wud use all the stored nutrients in the plant to stay green. Once those stored reserves went to 0 ur flowers would turn yellow.

You obviously are harvesting and picking them before this happens buddy

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Sounds like you are sayin we need to flush for 4 weeks now instead of 2 lmao

I actually like you, and am not trying to argue with you, some (a lot) of what I have seen you post is good stuff ! Some not so much ?

The most expensive cannabis in the world is Malano Creme it goes for 90 pounds british a gram that's $140 US ,,,,,,, If ya had some in your hands right now, would ya smoke it ?

chuck estevez said:

so, then you didn't Flush/remove anything from the buds then,right?

and that's not flushing, that's killing them

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I dont know what you are saying. Your saying since they are still green they didnt get flushed?

Thats not true. Its the amount in them. Obviously theres always going to be trace amounts of nutrients left over. Photosynthesis is what keeps them green because of the cholorophyll in the plants is there. Which is why when they dry and cure they turn white because the cholorphyll breaks down and the green is gone if u did it properly.

None of my flowers ever dry green in color. They are always nice and white, or very limited shade of green. Because the cholorphyll breaks down has nothing to do with nutrients my dude nothing at all.

RM3 said:

Sounds like you are sayin we need to flush for 4 weeks now instead of 2 lmao

I actually like you, and am not trying to argue with you, some (a lot) of what I have seen you post is good stuff ! Some not so much ?

The most expensive cannabis in the world is Malano Creme it goes for 90 pound british a gram that's $140 US ,,,,,,, If ya had some in your hands right now, would ya smoke it ?

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Some of the best weed I ever smoked was on vacation in the islands filled with seeds. Been growing it there for hundreds of years and looked like complete shit.

I know your point. Im talking about indoor growing and reducing the impact of chemical cancer causing agents in ur meds. Flushing does help remove toxins and salts from ur meds and in turn provides smoother, better tasting flowers. I can always tell if someone flushed, ppl say they cant I absolutely can with no doubt in my mind know the difference.

Cannabil said:

I dont know what you are saying. Your saying since they are still green they didnt get flushed?

Thats not true. Its the amount in them. Obviously theres always going to be trace amounts of nutrients left over. Photosynthesis is what keeps them green because of the cholorophyll in the plants is there. Which is why when they dry and cure they turn white because the cholorphyll breaks down and the green is gone if u did it properly.

None of my flowers ever dry green in color. They are always nice and white, or very limited shade of green. Because the cholorphyll breaks down has nothing to do with nutrients my dude nothing at all.

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lol

Im not gonna continue to argue over a mute point. Noone opinions will change its a waste of my time and yours i promise so lets just agree to disagree and kp it moving.

I defoliate and i flush. And my flowers are white when dried because i cure properly and all the chlorophyll is removed from this process. If u flowers are still green when done curing something is wrong. It shud have very little if any green remaining in them at all.

Green = chlorophyll and active plant materials which is why they are green

Your flowers depending on what nutrients u use and the variety dictate colors.

White, golden, brown, purple etc.. Green is no good it will taste like live plant material and not burn correctly.

U wanna argue about this too?