DEFOLIATION . . . . a hands on approach!
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If we arent expirementing and trying new things we arent learning. If youre not expirementing than you arent smart enough to understand why you should be.
"No one expirement can prove you right but one expirement can prove you wrong" in the great words of Albert Einstein.
So try new things and see what happens you always learn something from it. Dont listen to other people because they may have tried it and done the expirement wrong to begin with theres a reason expirement are repeated in labs all across the world regularly over and over to see if its possible to get a different outcome which does happen. So dont trust everyhing people say because it doesnt mean anything try it for yourself.
Its one of the great things about life and America. Our country was an expirement in its birth. If your not expirementing you arent living. Its our duty to try things and find solutions. Defoliation is an expirement that can be tried tested and repeated anywhere in any garden and people are all seeing similar results. Increased yields. It defies modern knowledge of photosynthesis on a basic level, but when you see how it works it all makes sense. Kinda crazy to imagine stripping your leaves can result in such a phenomena, but than again who thought that topping your plants and cutting the in half over and over would increase your yields either? Wheres the science in that?
Its not okay to defoliate, BUT IT IS OKAY to cut branches and limbs off your plant. Kind of an oxymoron if you think about considering your doing the same thing.
Its not okay to defoliate, BUT IT IS OKAY to cut branches and limbs off your plant. Kind of an oxymoron if you think about considering your doing the same thing.
Those meters on your wall work? Things says its 90 F in there.You can get massive buds by letting the plant defoil itself, just takes a different way of feedin em, low nutes, low N, I use Jacks Aquagold 7-15-30 and yeppers I flower with T5'sView attachment 3461145 View attachment 3461146
I also never understood the theory of constantly moving things into bloom.
Since plants have different stages of flowering they have different needs especially during early bloom to mid bloom. Considering temp day and night and humidity.
You cant ever truly grow best possible flowers running different strains at diff times in the same bloom room.
Example:
Those are finishing up and would really enjoy lower day temps low 70s and a nice 10 degree lower night temp low to mid 60s and benefit from low humidity like 35-40% to finish up.
But than there are plants that are just beginning to flower that will benefit from higher humidity like 60-65% and no temp difference between day and night and a little warmer day time temp like mid upper 70s with no diff at night to reduce stretching.
You dont worry that you arent giving them optimal environment just to always have something coming out of bloom?
Also a PIA to have to feed everything differently and make separate nutrients for each plant. Thats got be a big time PIA.
I like to run em all and cut em all one shot and move the new shit in when they r done.
RM3
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Yeppers canopy is 90 degrees, room is at 79, I do things differently than most LOL
and yeppers flowers in flowers out, tis a small garden not a big deal
That is a 20 inch cola on a 34 inch plant in a 2 gallon pot under T5's in week 7
and you think I'm doin something wrong ?
Ask @DC420 bout my herb
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You running Jacks as in JR PETERS fertilizers? They work good for you?
I have a buddy whose been doing coco/coco chips and peat mix with the JR PETERS HYDROPONIC and Calcium Nitrate and I think he said they had a Blossom Boost also I'd have to ask him.
But his stuff comes out like absolute shit every time. Its been so bad he cant even selll it to people noone will take it. I consider it to be worst than common outdoors, no smells, very little resin. The only thing it does it looks bright green with nice orange hairs. Other than that its complete poop.
He was running the Jack Cirtus before that and it was same exact thing no difference he swears it is the pheno and cut not the nutrients. (I beg to differ) so he gave me 3 cuts and I am running them right now to prove him wrong. Just starting the 4th week and mine already smell and have wayy more resin content than his dried and cured crap have and im just getting down with the stretch.
Ive never been sold on that nutrient line. Ive seen some OK looking shit that it produced but overall has too much nitrogen in it and just doesnt produce high quality meds. Now with that said this is only like a handful of people I know who have tried and used it, but either way thats 5 people whose stuff all was garbage.
I know one kid switched over to Dynagro and it came out a couple steps better but nowhere near quality you would expect with premium genetics. Idk if its suttin wrong w them or the nutrients but Ive seen them use GH and Canna and have wayyy better quality shit. I honestly couldnt believe the kid even showed me it I would have been embarrassed to tell anyone I grew that bunk.
Either way Im gonna be showing him how his cuts came out with my nutrients and see what he has to say. Hes a penny pinching prick who is blaming the pheno which I know hes wrong about.
I have a buddy whose been doing coco/coco chips and peat mix with the JR PETERS HYDROPONIC and Calcium Nitrate and I think he said they had a Blossom Boost also I'd have to ask him.
But his stuff comes out like absolute shit every time. Its been so bad he cant even selll it to people noone will take it. I consider it to be worst than common outdoors, no smells, very little resin. The only thing it does it looks bright green with nice orange hairs. Other than that its complete poop.
He was running the Jack Cirtus before that and it was same exact thing no difference he swears it is the pheno and cut not the nutrients. (I beg to differ) so he gave me 3 cuts and I am running them right now to prove him wrong. Just starting the 4th week and mine already smell and have wayy more resin content than his dried and cured crap have and im just getting down with the stretch.
Ive never been sold on that nutrient line. Ive seen some OK looking shit that it produced but overall has too much nitrogen in it and just doesnt produce high quality meds. Now with that said this is only like a handful of people I know who have tried and used it, but either way thats 5 people whose stuff all was garbage.
I know one kid switched over to Dynagro and it came out a couple steps better but nowhere near quality you would expect with premium genetics. Idk if its suttin wrong w them or the nutrients but Ive seen them use GH and Canna and have wayyy better quality shit. I honestly couldnt believe the kid even showed me it I would have been embarrassed to tell anyone I grew that bunk.
Either way Im gonna be showing him how his cuts came out with my nutrients and see what he has to say. Hes a penny pinching prick who is blaming the pheno which I know hes wrong about.
I didnt say u did anything wrong. I was just asking u if that was the temp in there.Yeppers canopy is 90 degrees, room is at 79, I do things differently than most LOL
and yeppers flowers in flowers out, tis a small garden not a big deal
That is a 20 inch cola on a 34 inch plant in a 2 gallon pot under T5's in week 7
and you think I'm doin something wrong ?
Ask your bud DC bout my herb
And once again never said u were wrong I just said I like to go all in at once than out. I said u would have a better final product if u gave them exactly what they wanted during flowering.
Temps, humidity change as plants move in diff stages during bloom. But like I have said in other threads everyone has their own methods, diff shit works for diff people. More power to u brotha.
RM3
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yeppers Citrus in veg, Aquagold in flower, plus a few other things, wouldn't use anything else
Im assuming thats a haze strain/sativa of some kind way it looks like its growing?
U got some final cured shots Id like to see what the Jacks aqua results look like. Compared to this kid I know whose cuts im running now. Im tryin prove its the nutrients he wont listen, he swears the strain is crap but I think he full a shit.
U got some final cured shots Id like to see what the Jacks aqua results look like. Compared to this kid I know whose cuts im running now. Im tryin prove its the nutrients he wont listen, he swears the strain is crap but I think he full a shit.
RM3
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Yeah those look nice. Nothing like this dudes shit with that jacks hydro and citrus feed. Idk wtf hes doing wrong lol.
His shit looks like that canadien bc bud but smells like air basically, no resin content anything. As u can see mine already getting frosty and his have like nothing. He must be fuckin up the feedings or something not sure now that I see that stuff.
RM3
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Click the are they done link in my sig to see a few of my buds
the lights link explains the 90 degree temp thing
RM3
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Nope, I mimic mom nature
try standing in the sun, i bet it feels warmer than in the shade
Yeah i i understand that direct light and sun is going to be warmer and cooler in shade but what does that have to do with your room being 90 F?
That temp probe is on the wall, yes its up near the lights and im sure the bottom of the containers by the floor are cooler.
But you would get alot better flowers if your room was an ambient temperature of 75 F. I never let my canopy go above 78 unless im in veg or if I was running co2.
If you have high canopy heat you need to counter act that by using water thats lower than the ideal room temperature to cool down your plants. Maybe low 60's. But going to cold will shock your plants and be counter productive.
The only time I would use cold water like that is at the end of bloom. You can use cold water to shock the roots and plant and increase trich production, I know people who swear by that method idk myself but I trust the guys who do it because I see there shit when its done.
Canopy temps of 90F though idk about that. Whether the floor temps and air around it are a little cooler or not those main flowers probably dont like it at all.
That temp probe is on the wall, yes its up near the lights and im sure the bottom of the containers by the floor are cooler.
But you would get alot better flowers if your room was an ambient temperature of 75 F. I never let my canopy go above 78 unless im in veg or if I was running co2.
If you have high canopy heat you need to counter act that by using water thats lower than the ideal room temperature to cool down your plants. Maybe low 60's. But going to cold will shock your plants and be counter productive.
The only time I would use cold water like that is at the end of bloom. You can use cold water to shock the roots and plant and increase trich production, I know people who swear by that method idk myself but I trust the guys who do it because I see there shit when its done.
Canopy temps of 90F though idk about that. Whether the floor temps and air around it are a little cooler or not those main flowers probably dont like it at all.
RM3
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perhaps before you say it is harmful or that plants don't like it, you should try it?
as I already said the ambient room temp is 79, the canopy is 90 the room is 500 sq ft completely wide open, the grow area is 5 X 5 or 25 sq ft
I've only been doin this for 40 years and have written 2 books on the subject as I also breed, but what do I know ?
I regulate my entire room by the canopy temps. If my canopy temp is say 75-76 the floor and rest of my room is probably high 60s or low 70s. Think about it, if you are really trying to mimic nature you would grow outside lol.
The whole point of indoor growing is to be able to have total control over your garden which is why the quality is so much better indoors. Also even outside when its really hot out the roots in the ground are still gonna be very cool. Which is exactly what you want go do inside. Having your roots in a good habitable zone of 60-65F is perfect. If your room is 90F at canopy and 75-80 as the ambient temperature your containers and roots are probably around that temperature as well. Thats the reason I asked if thats why you were using cold water to balance out the issue and keep your roots and containers cooler (to me this would make sense).
I know some strain like warmer climates as well but even so having a 90-F canopy is a definite big time no-no for me. At that point youre losing terpene and resin production. Photosynthesis and ATP is slowing down and you would most likely have bigger, denser flowers if you cooled that canopy down alot. Unless youre running co2 also? I just dont know why you run it so hot besides fact you cant cool down T5's but still. Thats hot man
The whole point of indoor growing is to be able to have total control over your garden which is why the quality is so much better indoors. Also even outside when its really hot out the roots in the ground are still gonna be very cool. Which is exactly what you want go do inside. Having your roots in a good habitable zone of 60-65F is perfect. If your room is 90F at canopy and 75-80 as the ambient temperature your containers and roots are probably around that temperature as well. Thats the reason I asked if thats why you were using cold water to balance out the issue and keep your roots and containers cooler (to me this would make sense).
I know some strain like warmer climates as well but even so having a 90-F canopy is a definite big time no-no for me. At that point youre losing terpene and resin production. Photosynthesis and ATP is slowing down and you would most likely have bigger, denser flowers if you cooled that canopy down alot. Unless youre running co2 also? I just dont know why you run it so hot besides fact you cant cool down T5's but still. Thats hot man