DEFOLIATION . . . . a hands on approach!

Do you defoliate?

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Cannabil

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RM3 said:
perhaps before you say it is harmful or that plants don't like it, you should try it?

as I already said the ambient room temp is 79, the canopy is 90 the room is 500 sq ft completely wide open, the grow area is 5 X 5 or 25 sq ft

I've only been doin this for 40 years and have written 2 books on the subject as I also breed, but what do I know ?
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I run warmer temps in veg and early bloom. Around low 80s never over 82 roughly. Its science and botany, metabolism and ATP stops when plants receive high temperatures especially over 85-F. This is science this isnt something I am trying to argue or make up.

MJ plants like mid to low 70s in flowering to grow the best and produce the best flowers this is a definite cant even argue about it at all. This is common knowledge unless u run co2 you can bump it up. I understand you say the ambient room temp is 79 but i wouldnt even like that in my room. Thats the max canopy temp and I like it more in the 75-76 range during mid bloom to ripening stage.

Anyone can write a book. I can write one tomorrow doesnt mean its true or anyone will buy it. (Not trying to be a dick im just saying writing a book means nothing). Unless its a must have and everyone agrees. Like The Rev wrote True Living Organics and thats a well known must have book regarding organic growing.

Whats the name of your book I would like to check it out as now I am interested in it.
 
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Cannabil

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If u can make it an easy paragraph just explain why running a canopy temp of 90F is okay? Maybe I am missing something.
 
RM3

RM3

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Cannabil said:
I run warmer temps in veg and early bloom. Around low 80s never over 82 roughly. Its science and botany, metabolism and ATP stops when plants receive high temperatures especially over 85-F. This is science this isnt something I am trying to argue or make up.

MJ plants like mid to low 70s in flowering to grow the best and produce the best flowers this is a definite cant even argue about it at all. This is common knowledge unless u run co2 you can bump it up. I understand you say the ambient room temp is 79 but i wouldnt even like that in my room. Thats the max canopy temp and I like it more in the 75-76 range during mid bloom to ripening stage.

Anyone can write a book. I can write one tomorrow doesnt mean its true or anyone will buy it. (Not trying to be a dick im just saying writing a book means nothing). Unless its a must have and everyone agrees. Like The Rev wrote True Living Organics and thats a well known must have book regarding organic growing.

Whats the name of your book I would like to check it out as now I am interested in it.
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My 1st book was The Road to a Cure but is only available to members of my forum, though I am thinking about publishing it

my 2nd book is called Grow Happy Plants and I have not yet published it as there were a few more chapters I decided to add, but there is a website
http://growhappyplants.com/

I do everything very differently than what is taught in forums and I have no problem puttin my buds up against all comers, I actually grow some of the most potent pot in the world

and I'm not tellin ya that your way is wrong :)
 
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Cannabil

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image.jpg image.jpg This is my room temp and canopy they are both the exact same temp all around room. I run a probe and have it on a atmosphere controller that does everything (co2, lights, temperature, humidity, reservoir) if it gets warm it will dim the lights, if humidity changes, it will change the temps to control the room so its the same temp no matter where in the room same humidity everything spot on. This way you are absolutely controlling entire room temp with 0 hot spots. Thats what you want.
 
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Cannabil

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Thats wsp. I am gonna check it out later on when I got some time and read that shit. I have a small library all I do is read read and read.

Probably do about 2 books a week on average. Always looking to learn something new whether its alot of new information or one simple idea and Im all about it.
 
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Cannabil

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RM3 said:
My 1st book was The Road to a Cure but is only available to members of my forum, though I am thinking about publishing it

my 2nd book is called Grow Happy Plants and I have not yet published it as there were a few more chapters I decided to add, but there is a website
http://growhappyplants.com/

I do everything very differently than what is taught in forums and I have no problem puttin my buds up against all comers, I actually grow some of the most potent pot in the world

and I'm not tellin ya that your way is wrong :)
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Oh I dont listen to half the shit on these threads more like 75% is just ridiculousness in all honesty. And anyone who says there ways the only way is just out of their minds to simple state it. As i am sure u must agree considering u state u have ur own methods of madness that work for you.

I find the funniest parts an arguments are regarding nutrient companies. The rest argue about defoliation and flushing.

The funny shit is theres at least 30 major nutrien companies out there ppl can use to grow. If someone likes to spend money on canna specific nutrients so what, noone said you have to use this or u dont know what ur doing. Why argue about it u know? Ppl on this forum seem to be about dynagro and jacks exclusively which is crazy. Because on other forums everyone likes AN, Canna and GH for the most part. Maybe I just joined the wrong forum haha.

Also, the other argument is that some people act like one guy came along and made up defoliation and flushing the same day because he felt like it and hoped people would listen to him. Its comical the amount of people who think defoliation doesnt work, and the other half think flushing is pointless. I coudnt disagree more but thats me, everyone I know flushes and defoliates with great success. Idk ur take on it but im sure u have opinions on it as well.

Point is to each his own, u do what works for u and fck the haters. If ppl wanna listen all u can do is help its up to them if they get it or not.
 
RM3

RM3

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Cannabil said:
Oh I dont listen to half the shit on these threads more like 75% is just ridiculousness in all honesty. And anyone who says there ways the only way is just out of their minds to simple state it. As i am sure u must agree considering u state u have ur own methods of madness that work for you.

I find the funniest parts an arguments are regarding nutrient companies. The rest argue about defoliation and flushing.

The funny shit is theres at least 30 major nutrien companies out there ppl can use to grow. If someone likes to spend money on canna specific nutrients so what, noone said you have to use this or u dont know what ur doing. Why argue about it u know? Ppl on this forum seem to be about dynagro and jacks exclusively which is crazy. Because on other forums everyone likes AN, Canna and GH for the most part. Maybe I just joined the wrong forum haha.

Also, the other argument is that some people act like one guy came along and made up defoliation and flushing the same day because he felt like it and hoped people would listen to him. Its comical the amount of people who think defoliation doesnt work, and the other half think flushing is pointless. I coudnt disagree more but thats me, everyone I know flushes and defoliates with great success. Idk ur take on it but im sure u have opinions on it as well.

Point is to each his own, u do what works for u and fck the haters. If ppl wanna listen all u can do is help its up to them if they get it or not.
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I'm the guy that wrote the truth about flushing thread here LOL
 
chuck estevez

chuck estevez

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Cannabil said:
Oh I dont listen to half the shit on these threads more like 75% is just ridiculousness in all honesty. And anyone who says there ways the only way is just out of their minds to simple state it. As i am sure u must agree considering u state u have ur own methods of madness that work for you.

I find the funniest parts an arguments are regarding nutrient companies. The rest argue about defoliation and flushing.

The funny shit is theres at least 30 major nutrien companies out there ppl can use to grow. If someone likes to spend money on canna specific nutrients so what, noone said you have to use this or u dont know what ur doing. Why argue about it u know? Ppl on this forum seem to be about dynagro and jacks exclusively which is crazy. Because on other forums everyone likes AN, Canna and GH for the most part. Maybe I just joined the wrong forum haha.

Also, the other argument is that some people act like one guy came along and made up defoliation and flushing the same day because he felt like it and hoped people would listen to him. Its comical the amount of people who think defoliation doesnt work, and the other half think flushing is pointless. I coudnt disagree more but thats me, everyone I know flushes and defoliates with great success. Idk ur take on it but im sure u have opinions on it as well.

Point is to each his own, u do what works for u and fck the haters. If ppl wanna listen all u can do is help its up to them if they get it or not.
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want to guess who got everyone using the jack's,dyna gro, non bs specific nutes, Bet you can't guess,lol
 
DCobeen

DCobeen

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I just was in RM3's garden and you can hide a powerade 32 oz bottle behind his buds. He wasnt lying when he said "I have some of the strongest weed in the world" his ctf which I grew is amazing and strong. I looked at his gauges and will see my canopy temps as my room is usually around 76-80 with lights on and I know the canopy is hotter. Dont buy or use the mj nutrients as they will just cost you 5x more $$$. My weed is amazing and Rm3 has better but I expect that as he is teaching me how to do it right. When he types listen. We just had a bunch of us from his thread meet up and we all agreed his is the strongest weed we have smoked hands down. There was a few that was close but he is the king.
 
ttystikk

ttystikk

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Cannabil said:
Those meters on your wall work? Things says its 90 F in there.

I also never understood the theory of constantly moving things into bloom.

Since plants have different stages of flowering they have different needs especially during early bloom to mid bloom. Considering temp day and night and humidity.

You cant ever truly grow best possible flowers running different strains at diff times in the same bloom room.

Example:
Those are finishing up and would really enjoy lower day temps low 70s and a nice 10 degree lower night temp low to mid 60s and benefit from low humidity like 35-40% to finish up.

But than there are plants that are just beginning to flower that will benefit from higher humidity like 60-65% and no temp difference between day and night and a little warmer day time temp like mid upper 70s with no diff at night to reduce stretching.

You dont worry that you arent giving them optimal environment just to always have something coming out of bloom?

Also a PIA to have to feed everything differently and make separate nutrients for each plant. Thats got be a big time PIA.

I like to run em all and cut em all one shot and move the new shit in when they r done.
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Shit! I'm perpetual as hell, buddy and they ALL get the same nutes (EC varies, but that's it) and they get the same room with the same conditions from day one through chop. Try it, it's a lot less to keep straight all the time.

My buds absolutely don't look like they're suffering- and neither do those who smoke them!
 
ttystikk

ttystikk

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Cannabil said:
Yeah those look nice. Nothing like this dudes shit with that jacks hydro and citrus feed. Idk wtf hes doing wrong lol.

His shit looks like that canadien bc bud but smells like air basically, no resin content anything. As u can see mine already getting frosty and his have like nothing. He must be fuckin up the feedings or something not sure now that I see that stuff.
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I can back up RM3's experience with dry nutrients. I used to use Jacks with good results. I now use a similar product from Hydrogardens.com because they're more local to me.

Once a grower learns something about nutrients, solutions and how they work, they go into shock about how much money they've been screwed out of for silly water bottles full of stock solutions.

Then, they feel a little stupid, a lot gypped and plenty mad about it!

I promise, if your buddy is growing garbage with Jacks, it's his lousy technique that's to blame and not the nutes or the cut.
 
ttystikk

ttystikk

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RM3 said:
perhaps before you say it is harmful or that plants don't like it, you should try it?

as I already said the ambient room temp is 79, the canopy is 90 the room is 500 sq ft completely wide open, the grow area is 5 X 5 or 25 sq ft

I've only been doin this for 40 years and have written 2 books on the subject as I also breed, but what do I know ?
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You don't know shit, you're just bragging on your closet pot...

LOL, j/k! You're one of the most knowledgeable people I know on this subject. If you're doing it, it's only because it works.

We need to get together one of these first days and have ourselves a good canna-versation... it's a little overdue by now, wouldn't you agree?
 
ttystikk

ttystikk

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Cannabil said:
Im assuming thats a haze strain/sativa of some kind way it looks like its growing?

U got some final cured shots Id like to see what the Jacks aqua results look like. Compared to this kid I know whose cuts im running now. Im tryin prove its the nutrients he wont listen, he swears the strain is crap but I think he full a shit.
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Then you'll both be wrong, lol
 
ttystikk

ttystikk

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Cannabil said:
I regulate my entire room by the canopy temps. If my canopy temp is say 75-76 the floor and rest of my room is probably high 60s or low 70s. Think about it, if you are really trying to mimic nature you would grow outside lol.

The whole point of indoor growing is to be able to have total control over your garden which is why the quality is so much better indoors. Also even outside when its really hot out the roots in the ground are still gonna be very cool. Which is exactly what you want go do inside. Having your roots in a good habitable zone of 60-65F is perfect. If your room is 90F at canopy and 75-80 as the ambient temperature your containers and roots are probably around that temperature as well. Thats the reason I asked if thats why you were using cold water to balance out the issue and keep your roots and containers cooler (to me this would make sense).

I know some strain like warmer climates as well but even so having a 90-F canopy is a definite big time no-no for me. At that point youre losing terpene and resin production. Photosynthesis and ATP is slowing down and you would most likely have bigger, denser flowers if you cooled that canopy down alot. Unless youre running co2 also? I just dont know why you run it so hot besides fact you cant cool down T5's but still. Thats hot man
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Pot grows wild in higher temps and does just fine in the resin and terpene production dept. You can ask some of RM3.s friends about how much terpene production he's losing... after they wake up from their weed naps, lol

My rooms run in the low to mid 80s and the only things people say about my resin production run along the lines of, 'holy shit! It snowed on here!'
 
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