corperations and peoplehood

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[h=1]California man says he can drive in carpool lane with corporation papers[/h]http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/01/05/16372432-california-man-says-he-can-drive-in-carpool-lane-with-corporation-papers



When Jonathan Frieman of San Rafael, Calif., was pulled over for driving alone in the carpool lane, he argued to the officer that, actually, he did have a passenger.


He waved his corporation papers at the officer, he told NBCBayArea.com, saying that corporations are people under California law.
Frieman doesn't actually support this notion. For more than 10 years, Frieman says he had been trying to get pulled over to get ticketed and to take his argument to court -- to challenge a judge to determine that corporations and people are not the same. Mission accomplished in October, when he was slapped with a fine -- a minimum of $481.
Frieman has been frustrated with corporate personhood since before it became a hot button issue in 2010, when the U.S. Supreme Court ruled that corporate and union spending may not be restricted by the government under the First Amendment.
At the heart of the high court ruling was the argument that corporations -- because they are composed of individuals – deserve protection under the First Amendment, which guarantees free speech.
Frieman, who faces a traffic court on Monday, plans to tell the judge that this isn’t about carpool lanes; it’s about corporate power.
"I'm just arresting their power and using it for my service to drive in the carpool lane," he told NBC Bay Area's Jean Elle.
University of San Francisco law professor Robert Talbot says Frieman’s argument may not hold up because it steers too far from the intent of carpool lane laws.
"A court might say, ‘Well, it says person, and a corporation is a person, so that'll work for the carpool lane,’” Talbot told NBCBayArea.com. “It’s possible, but I doubt it.”
In an opinion piece posted to the San Rafael Patch site on May 14, 2011, Frieman broke down his argument.
A carpool lane is two or more persons per vehicle, he said. The definition of person in California’s Vehicle Code is “natural person, firm, copartnership, association, limited liability company, or corporation.”
“Just imagine what THAT courtroom scene’ll be like,” he wrote.
He imagined what he might say to the judge: “Your honor, according to the vehicle code definition and legal sources, I did have a ‘person’ in my car. But Officer so-and-so believes I did NOT have another person in my car. If you rule in his favor, you are saying that corporations are not persons. I hope you do rule in his favor. I hope you do overturn 125 years of settled law.”
But before he can make grand proclamations, the officer who ticketed him must show up to court. Otherwise, his ticket may be thrown out.
 
The documents he was carrying are the legal representation and description of a corporation, not *THE* corporation.

Based on that you could have a sketch of a person in the passenger seat and claim it was a person as well.

The plaintiff is an idiot.
 
i seriously doubt there will be a ruling in this case.

what people arent understanding is, this ties into the whole entire sovereign movement. people need to understand the gov doesnt have any control over you, only your person through contracts. because you allow it. through fear & ignorance, they have subdued almost everyone.
 
The documents he was carrying are the legal representation and description of a corporation, not *THE* corporation.

Based on that you could have a sketch of a person in the passenger seat and claim it was a person as well.

The plaintiff is an idiot.

Try using that arguement in court when getting sued, "your honor, this is a representation of a person, and I have the right to face my actual accuser."

The judge laughed at me. The doctor who sued me sent the papers representing himself as a corporation.

You know nothing about corporate law. For the papers to be the actual person only needs a legally appointed real person to acknowledge them. So yes, he is a person and as the appointed to the corporate papers is a person. Those papers make him legally two different people.

There was a case in New York where these Arabs sold bogus computers not able to do what was promised. The arabs would stay in the same location and just change the name. Since the former corporation went bankrupt, the victims could do nothing. The owner could claim ignorance and the employee claimed he didn't understand job properly. See, it was just a misunderstanding, so the corporation person was only civily liable.
 
Tools arguing for more government control over advertising media. Tobacco companies won't be alone.
 
Try using that arguement in court when getting sued, "your honor, this is a representation of a person, and I have the right to face my actual accuser."

The judge laughed at me. The doctor who sued me sent the papers representing himself as a corporation.

it sucks they get away with this. i remember how it went when i was a "traveling companion" (passenger) in a "personal conveyance" (vehicle), and didnt want to show my ID (5th amen.)... it goes a little better for some than others.. um, ya they saw my ID... lol.
 
it sucks they get away with this. i remember how it went when i was a "traveling companion" (passenger) in a "personal conveyance" (vehicle), and didnt want to show my ID (5th amen.)... it goes a little better for some than others.. um, ya they saw my ID... lol.
[video=youtube;VXwP02Dkp7A]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VXwP02Dkp7A[/video]

I do not suggest trying this at home
 
Try using that arguement in court when getting sued, "your honor, this is a representation of a person, and I have the right to face my actual accuser."

The judge laughed at me. The doctor who sued me sent the papers representing himself as a corporation.

You know nothing about corporate law. For the papers to be the actual person only needs a legally appointed real person to acknowledge them. So yes, he is a person and as the appointed to the corporate papers is a person. Those papers make him legally two different people.

There was a case in New York where these Arabs sold bogus computers not able to do what was promised. The arabs would stay in the same location and just change the name. Since the former corporation went bankrupt, the victims could do nothing. The owner could claim ignorance and the employee claimed he didn't understand job properly. See, it was just a misunderstanding, so the corporation person was only civily liable.

Your case did not involve driving around with papers in your car. Your case involved a doctor being represented by a lawyer.

If the man had the corporate lawyer in the car (unless it is himself) then he would not bin in this situation.

How many corporations have you started and owned Canna? I have about 4...

Just because you got sued by a doctor in court and demanded his presence has nothing to do with this case.
 
[video=youtube;Ifv5qfuXmKQ]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ifv5qfuXmKQ[/video]


riu been screwy with posting vids latley for me..
 
[video=youtube;Ifv5qfuXmKQ]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ifv5qfuXmKQ[/video]


riu been screwy with posting vids latley for me..

Mega fucked up the ignorance people have of their rights
That bitch said she had a complaint and yet she didnt state anything that was a crime
 
California man says he can drive in carpool lane with corporation papers

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/201...drive-in-carpool-lane-with-corporation-papers



When Jonathan Frieman of San Rafael, Calif., was pulled over for driving alone in the carpool lane, he argued to the officer that, actually, he did have a passenger.


He waved his corporation papers at the officer, he told NBCBayArea.com, saying that corporations are people under California law.
Frieman doesn't actually support this notion. For more than 10 years, Frieman says he had been trying to get pulled over to get ticketed and to take his argument to court -- to challenge a judge to determine that corporations and people are not the same. Mission accomplished in October, when he was slapped with a fine -- a minimum of $481.
Frieman has been frustrated with corporate personhood since before it became a hot button issue in 2010, when the U.S. Supreme Court ruled that corporate and union spending may not be restricted by the government under the First Amendment.
At the heart of the high court ruling was the argument that corporations -- because they are composed of individuals – deserve protection under the First Amendment, which guarantees free speech.
Frieman, who faces a traffic court on Monday, plans to tell the judge that this isn’t about carpool lanes; it’s about corporate power.
"I'm just arresting their power and using it for my service to drive in the carpool lane," he told NBC Bay Area's Jean Elle.
University of San Francisco law professor Robert Talbot says Frieman’s argument may not hold up because it steers too far from the intent of carpool lane laws.
"A court might say, ‘Well, it says person, and a corporation is a person, so that'll work for the carpool lane,’” Talbot told NBCBayArea.com. “It’s possible, but I doubt it.”
In an opinion piece posted to the San Rafael Patch site on May 14, 2011, Frieman broke down his argument.
A carpool lane is two or more persons per vehicle, he said. The definition of person in California’s Vehicle Code is “natural person, firm, copartnership, association, limited liability company, or corporation.”
“Just imagine what THAT courtroom scene’ll be like,” he wrote.
He imagined what he might say to the judge: “Your honor, according to the vehicle code definition and legal sources, I did have a ‘person’ in my car. But Officer so-and-so believes I did NOT have another person in my car. If you rule in his favor, you are saying that corporations are not persons. I hope you do rule in his favor. I hope you do overturn 125 years of settled law.”
But before he can make grand proclamations, the officer who ticketed him must show up to court. Otherwise, his ticket may be thrown out.

I would give this a good chuckle if it came into my court room, then slap him with a $10000 fine for wasting my time.
 
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