Was Biden a good choice or was he the only choice?

Rottedroots

Rottedroots

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I'm not a big fan of President Biden but he was our only option to drive Trump out of office. Personally I would have voted for an untrained monkey as long as it was a democratic monkey. Right now I'm very concerned that the trillions that are going toward infrastructure and a blend of other needy causes will go the same way as the money we send overseas. There is nothing to assure that corrupt governmental officials whether it's at the Federal, state or local levels will not get the cream off the top. Should we put in more overseers to see and ensure that the money goes where it's supposed to go and not into any individual pockets. Unemployment benefits have now been extended through September which which is great for the truly needy but how do we weed out the rampant fraud and should we aggressively pursue those individuals who have committed that fraud or should we just let it go. The vice channel has a very interesting show called "while the rest of us die". . It is amazing how many large corporations have benefited hugely from the pandemic and it also outlines the huge number of Congress who have also scraped millions of dollars of cream off the top. Do we forget about it at all levels or just write it off as lessons not learned. I'm sure there's something in this rather vague and poorly written thread that paints me as conservative or Republican but by all that's holy I am firmly left of center. Probably not sufficiently left of center to prevent my being sent to the pillory.
PS... Are we not going to be able to convict Trump of anything criminal preferably felonious before the next election and doesn't matter. I don't believe he's pushing hard enough through rallies, fundraisers etc to be contemplating a run. Then again I have 10 bucks that says he's still raking in a fortune from his minions.
 
SmichiganOG

SmichiganOG

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Rottedroots said:
I'm not a big fan of President Biden but he was our only option to drive Trump out of office. Personally I would have voted for an untrained monkey as long as it was a democratic monkey. Right now I'm very concerned that the trillions that are going toward infrastructure and a blend of other needy causes will go the same way as the money we send overseas. There is nothing to assure that corrupt governmental officials whether it's at the Federal, state or local levels will not get the cream off the top. Should we put in more overseers to see and ensure that the money goes where it's supposed to go and not into any individual pockets. Unemployment benefits have now been extended through September which which is great for the truly needy but how do we weed out the rampant fraud and should we aggressively pursue those individuals who have committed that fraud or should we just let it go. The vice channel has a very interesting show called "while the rest of us die". . It is amazing how many large corporations have benefited hugely from the pandemic and it also outlines the huge number of Congress who have also scraped millions of dollars of cream off the top. Do we forget about it at all levels or just write it off as lessons not learned. I'm sure there's something in this rather vague and poorly written thread that paints me as conservative or Republican but by all that's holy I am firmly left of center. Probably not sufficiently left of center to prevent my being sent to the pillory.
PS... Are we not going to be able to convict Trump of anything criminal preferably felonious before the next election and doesn't matter. I don't believe he's pushing hard enough through rallies, fundraisers etc to be contemplating a run. Then again I have 10 bucks that says he's still raking in a fortune from his minions.
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He was the only choice at election time. We need socialized medicine simply because good medical care is not for the rich only. Neither is an education. I will say it could've been much worse.
 
nuskool89

nuskool89

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smokinrav said:
Were you "very upset" when the trillions of dollars were being sent to corporations and billionairs over the last three Republican presidential terms?

Just curious....
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thehill.com

IRS data proves Trump tax cuts benefited middle, working-class Americans most

Republicans’ 2017 tax reform law did exactly what was promised: It lowered taxes for all income groups.
thehill.com

www.indexjournal.com

Studies: Trump tax cuts helped lower income families, Build Back Better helps wealthier Americans

(The Center Square) – Democrats have argued that the tax reforms implemented through the 2017 Tax Cuts and Jobs Act (TCJA) only benefited the rich, and that the Build Back
www.indexjournal.com www.indexjournal.com

www.businessinsider.com

Dems may give rich bigger tax cut than poor Americans, blowing promise in Biden bill

A Trump tax law raised taxes on wealthy blue staters. Democrats want to give those high earners a cut 10 times larger than for a middle-class family.
www.businessinsider.com

I have a feeling in another year, even people who have no opinion of politics will be missing that time Trump was in office. Mean tweets and immorality aside, people’s pockets were doing better.

The Democratic primary voter turnout was not enthusiastic enough to pick an outside the box candidate. Those who voted went with familiarity it seems. The machine picked Biden. Booker, Yang, or Holder were 8 year material who would have remained more likable than Biden in my opinion. They just didn’t have the machine’s backing. Sanders had years and years of familiarity and got pretty close, but the machine won.

The midterms will be interesting to watch but 2024 is a long ways away and many political cycles from final opinions
 
HGCC

HGCC

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Not sure if he was the only choice, but the argument at the time was that he was the best person to expand the Democrats reach into the suburbs to pick up the moderate republican voters that left due to Trump. The further left candidates wouldn't have gotten those voters, and it's not like we (more left leaning dems) are suddenly going to start voting republican. Political calculus and all.

I do think it's weird to expect all the Democrat voters to be happy with everything and fall in line. They aren't a uni-party where the only objective is to own the libs.
 
hanimmal

hanimmal

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Rottedroots said:
I'm not a big fan of President Biden but he was our only option to drive Trump out of office. Personally I would have voted for an untrained monkey as long as it was a democratic monkey. Right now I'm very concerned that the trillions that are going toward infrastructure and a blend of other needy causes will go the same way as the money we send overseas. There is nothing to assure that corrupt governmental officials whether it's at the Federal, state or local levels will not get the cream off the top. Should we put in more overseers to see and ensure that the money goes where it's supposed to go and not into any individual pockets. Unemployment benefits have now been extended through September which which is great for the truly needy but how do we weed out the rampant fraud and should we aggressively pursue those individuals who have committed that fraud or should we just let it go. The vice channel has a very interesting show called "while the rest of us die". . It is amazing how many large corporations have benefited hugely from the pandemic and it also outlines the huge number of Congress who have also scraped millions of dollars of cream off the top. Do we forget about it at all levels or just write it off as lessons not learned. I'm sure there's something in this rather vague and poorly written thread that paints me as conservative or Republican but by all that's holy I am firmly left of center. Probably not sufficiently left of center to prevent my being sent to the pillory.
PS... Are we not going to be able to convict Trump of anything criminal preferably felonious before the next election and doesn't matter. I don't believe he's pushing hard enough through rallies, fundraisers etc to be contemplating a run. Then again I have 10 bucks that says he's still raking in a fortune from his minions.
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Biden was the only choice for the Democrats to win the house and senate too IMO as well as the best chance to beat Trump.

And I wouldn't be so sure about what you think is in those bills unless you read them that they don't have a lot of checks and balances unlike the Trump/Republican bills that were filled with scams.

nuskool89 said:
thehill.com

IRS data proves Trump tax cuts benefited middle, working-class Americans most

Republicans’ 2017 tax reform law did exactly what was promised: It lowered taxes for all income groups.
thehill.com

www.indexjournal.com

Studies: Trump tax cuts helped lower income families, Build Back Better helps wealthier Americans

(The Center Square) – Democrats have argued that the tax reforms implemented through the 2017 Tax Cuts and Jobs Act (TCJA) only benefited the rich, and that the Build Back
www.indexjournal.com www.indexjournal.com

www.businessinsider.com

Dems may give rich bigger tax cut than poor Americans, blowing promise in Biden bill

A Trump tax law raised taxes on wealthy blue staters. Democrats want to give those high earners a cut 10 times larger than for a middle-class family.
www.businessinsider.com

I have a feeling in another year, even people who have no opinion of politics will be missing that time Trump was in office. Mean tweets and immorality aside, people’s pockets were doing better.

The Democratic primary voter turnout was not enthusiastic enough to pick an outside the box candidate. Those who voted went with familiarity it seems. The machine picked Biden. Booker, Yang, or Holder were 8 year material who would have remained more likable than Biden in my opinion. They just didn’t have the machine’s backing. Sanders had years and years of familiarity and got pretty close, but the machine won.

The midterms will be interesting to watch but 2024 is a long ways away and many political cycles from final opinions
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They are basing this article on a report by the Heartland institute (which is anti-science propaganda IMO). Is that something you trust? I did notice on a quick glance that it is based only off of one year, which the rich tax cuts were forever and the lower income tax cuts were temporary from what I remember.

So I wouldn't be so sure about this spin on Trump's tax cuts.
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nuskool89

nuskool89

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HGCC said:
I do think it's weird to expect all the Democrat voters to be happy with everything and fall in line. They aren't a uni-party where the only objective is to own the libs.
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The Democratic objective is anti republican and Vice versa. Democratics are always more in step and fall in line with party leadership. Republicans often times fuck their own shit up (Paul Ryan being the perfect example)
 
nuskool89

nuskool89

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hanimmal said:
Biden was the only choice for the Democrats to win the house and senate too IMO as well as the best chance to beat Trump.

And I wouldn't be so sure about what you think is in those bills unless you read them that they don't have a lot of checks and balances unlike the Trump/Republican bills that were filled with scams.


They are basing this article on a report by the Heartland institute (which is anti-science propaganda IMO). Is that something you trust? I did notice on a quick glance that it is based only off of one year, which the rich tax cuts were forever and the lower income tax cuts were temporary from what I remember.

So I wouldn't be so sure about this spin on Trump's tax cuts.
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Read the second article I linked then. There is more than one source of data pointing to this, including the IRS’s
 
hanimmal

hanimmal

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nuskool89 said:
Read the second article I linked then. There is more than one source of data pointing to this, including the IRS’s
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From the second link.


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Again, all this is just one big circle jerk of 'credibility' with one propagandist 'research institute' spinning up some bullshit and then it gets spammed across multiple links to appear legitimate, because 'look at all the different websites saying it' kind of shit. And then pretend like what they say that the Democrats said is reliable, when it is not. Because it ignores that this 'report' is based on one year when the rich tax cut scam that Trump and the Republicans did were permanent, and the working class got a sugar high for a short time that allows them to pretend this spin makes sense.
 
HGCC

HGCC

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nuskool89 said:
The Democratic objective is anti republican and Vice versa. Democratics are always more in step and fall in line with party leadership. Republicans often times fuck their own shit up (Paul Ryan being the perfect example)
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You guys purged them though. The ones currently stepping out of line are getting voted out and the party leaders dump on them regularly.

As is obvious by the literal discussion happening right here in this thread, democrats have a lot of internal dissent and viewpoints.
 
nuskool89

nuskool89

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hanimmal said:
From the second link.


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Again, all this is just one big circle jerk of 'credibility' with one propagandist 'research institute' spinning up some bullshit and then it gets spammed across multiple links to appear legitimate, because 'look at all the different websites saying it' kind of shit. And then pretend like what they say that the Democrats said is reliable, when it is not. Because it ignores that this 'report' is based on one year when the rich tax cut scam that Trump and the Republicans did were permanent, and the working class got a sugar high for a short time that allows them to pretend this spin makes sense.
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you’re dismissing all of that because it came from an organization you don’t like. The data is not partisan.

 
nuskool89

nuskool89

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HGCC said:
You guys purged them though. The ones currently stepping out of line are getting voted out and the party leaders dump on them regularly.

As is obvious by the literal discussion happening right here in this thread, democrats have a lot of internal dissent and viewpoints.
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Both parties have and have had dissent. Democrats are better at quieting those differences when it comes time to vote or pass something along Party lines.

How quick did Manchin need to be “purged” when he fell out of line? There was headline after headline
 
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