Controlled Environment Agriculture by Shrubs

New template is leaps and bounds better. Much bigger viewing area also. Now u just need to find a good gfx artist to make you a good company logo.

Someguy15 said:

New template is leaps and bounds better. Much bigger viewing area also. Now u just need to find a good gfx artist to make you a good company logo.

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Thanks man, i really appreciate that, thats exactly what my lady said about the
viewable are as well.

I have a local cartoonist workin on some sketches right now, he is a pretty talented guy,I gave him an idea I had to go off of, I'm hopin he does somethin real
nice with it. Hopefully tomorrow I can get some scanned in and show ya...

Cool, pictures would help spice it up more if u can. I know you don't have product pics yet but maybe on the homepage you could have your setup or something else 'flashy'. Good luck with the rest of your venture.

Someguy15 said:

Cool, pictures would help spice it up more if u can. I know you don't have product pics yet but maybe on the homepage you could have your setup or something else 'flashy'. Good luck with the rest of your venture.

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I do have some product pics, I've been trying to figure out how to put a picture
gallery up there, to no avail... I think I'll figure it out though, i'm about to work on
it right now, cuz I really want to get it finished and lookin good.....


Can't forget
about the ladies though, I'm gonna give em a good watering tonight, see what my
ppm's are at right now when I flush, I'd like em to be around 500-600 range, not
exactly sure what to expect though, the Coco is a trip..... Canna recommends to
water it like 3 times a day, which is freakin crazy.... They tell you to water it when
it is still soaking when because even when fully saturated the Canna still holds 25%
air...... I just can't bring myself to water that much, I easily get away with watering
every 2-3 days.... I don't let them get completely dry though, that'd be too dry
and too much air. My Sours are really looking amazing, I'm tempted to do a crop of just the Sour D, they are just blowing up like crazy.... Pics later.

things are moving along, good to see brother!

question, do you flush less with soiless? eg. coco and peat moss. i heard you flush less, like a week, with soiless. just needing your expert opinion. i also heard you can flush for only a week, with soil, or soiless, just depends if you do it right.

In my last grow, half the plants received a 1 week flush,
and half the plants received 2, not much difference IMO,
but the best tasting buds from the last crop were the white
widdows for sure, and they were with the batch that received
the two week flush, although I was thinking the whole time they
would be the best anyways, they were so dank throughout the whole
grow... I've been lovin them and the dispensery I work with is really
giving me some great feedback.

I will still probably only do a week of flush this time, most likely I will be
using the Humboldt Honey ES as a final phase at 15 mL per G....

Could you give me some insight as to why carbohydrates are good in hydro? I understand the purpose of feeding the bacteria... but carbs are worthless without adding the bacteria yourself as most mediums are inert correct? O, the other question I had was your opinion on supplimental lighting for flowering. I currently run a 400w Hortilux to flower and I was considering add two 4' 6500k Strip lights or possibly adding a UVB tube. I know running both MH & HPS is best but it's out of the question as I have a switchable ballast. Can't wait to see how your new girls grow up!

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Could you give me some insight as to why carbohydrates are good in hydro? I understand the purpose of feeding the bacteria... but carbs are worthless without adding the bacteria yourself as most mediums are inert correct? O, the other question I had was your opinion on supplimental lighting for flowering. I currently run a 400w Hortilux to flower and I was considering add two 4' 6500k Strip lights or possibly adding a UVB tube. I know running both MH & HPS is best but it's out of the question as I have a switchable ballast. Can't wait to see how your new girls grow up!

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In Hydro you should still add inocculants. Many people don't, and I don't see as
good of biomass produced without them. Enzymes, mycorrhizae and trichoderma
will seriously encourage new and more productive root growth and you want to
supply this with Carbs. Companys make carbs specifically for hydro so they do not
gunk up blowers and water lines and sprayer heads and such, they break down to
the smallest possible sugars when dissolved in water and create an easily accessible
sugar source. I've seen saw a seriously sick NFT incorporating these techniques
and it just blew most of the ebb+flow's and DWC's around there away..

I am in coco which starts off inert, but unlike rockwool and clay pellets, micro
organisms can live and thrive in it. Making it more attractive to me....I had to be
basically peeled away from soil, drain to waste soiless is as close to hydro as i can go.

I don't even know with the light spectrum to tell ya the truth, I have done so much
reading and researching on this. From what I can tell, it is simple radiometry,
the more watts per square meter the better...

Watered and mostly flushed today..

15 Gallons Dechlorinated/Sediment Filtered H2O

75 mL Hygrozyme
15 mL Rhizotonic
15 mL Humboldt Roots
30 mL Mayan Microzyme
1 Scoop Great White PM
PPM: 120, pH 6.2, Temp 65 F

Runoff was about 500 ppm, right where it should be.

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The diesels (plants on the right)are seriously blowin up.

they look amazing bro, very green and happy as always. you should be a rep for the coco you use, because its definitely working out for you. thanks for the info, damn! now i feel better about my grow, im running a white widow crossed with northern lights. wow is it a leafy bitch! i cloned here before i bloomed her, so she defnitely a keeper, this ones moving right along nicely!

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they look amazing bro, very green and happy as always. you should be a rep for the coco you use, because its definitely working out for you. thanks for the info, damn! now i feel better about my grow, im running a white widow crossed with northern lights. wow is it a leafy bitch! i cloned here before i bloomed her, so she defnitely a keeper, this ones moving right along nicely!

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Thanks man, you give me great confidence! If you think thats green, check the
pics with only my T5's on....

I am foliar feeding currently... Not sure if you have heard of this product, but I used
it in my first grow ever (not the last journal). Well, I used the music in my last
journal, but didnt supplement with the nutrients. It's called Sonic Bloom, and
basically there is a sound frequency which vibrates plants on a cellular level and
stimulates their metabolism. At the same time the stomata on the leaves open
much much wider, up to 300% wider than normal, and are able to take in more
nutrients, air, co2 etc. they are able to take in up to 700% more nutrients through
their leaves while this frequency is playing. With the music is a formulated all
natural
nutrient solution derived from seaweed and amino acids, there are something like
87 naturally occurring amino acids, it is a very dank solution, quite diluted though,
I mix up about 15 mL of Sonic Bloom per gallon of foliar spray and allow the music
to serenade the plants for about a half hour before I spray them down......
Definitely check this product out, I've been using it for about 3 years and
throughout that time I have seen some random articles and and sources talk
about how great of a product it is, and I'm like "oh hey, I use that!" Allegedly,
the creator of Sonic Bloom grew a purple passion vine plant which on average
only grow 18 inches and lives for two years, he grew it for 20 years and it ended up
at over 1300 feet long!! The worlds largest indoor plant according to the guinness
book.... I'd trust that for sure.

Anyways enough with the advertising, here are the pics right after the Foliar spray.

I have my HIDs turned off so that the spray isn't phytotoxic and lowers the leaf
surface temperature, I leave the HIDs off until the leaves are totally dry, and
tomorrow I will rinse the leaves with a water spray... enjoy

I'm really surprised how bright it is with just my Flourescents on.....










Now thats greeen! I am currently correcting a magnesium deficiency on my
purps plants which has had them stunted for about a week now, It's pretty lame
but I could't tell the correct deficiency until just today....wackness.

I'm feeding tonight, the small ladies will be receiving a 600 ppm
feed, and the larger of the ladies will recieve a 700 ppm.

16 Gallons Carbon/Sediment Filtered H2O
45 mL Master A (Big plants get 60)
45 mL Master B (Big plants get 60)
16 mL Hum-Bolt
16 mL Flavor-fulv
32 mL Mayan Microzyme
120 mL Hygrozyme
32 mL Humbolt Roots
80 mL Canna Rhizotonic
80 mL Bud-Swel Bat Guano
32 mL Humboldt Honey ES
3 Scoops Great White Premium Mycorrhizae
ppm 600, and 700. pH 6.1, Temp 66 F.

Scribed .nice setup clean,consise . everything is looking good + rep

thanks man, definitely appreciate it

sonic boom eh? always coming through with the new well thought out techniques, keep it up bro. im at the end of my first bloom, could use your expertise in if its time to flush, whenever you get a chance.

Definitely flush that baby, she is ready to smoke.

I really can't wait til I'm back in the drivers seat lookin
at big frosty nuggest again!

you will be soon enough bro! im trying to keep my grow as perpetual as i can, after i chop ill have one still in there that is one month behind. i hope im not too late to flush, i put 30 gal of tap water in a tupperware in the bathroom, gonna try the "let the water sit 48hrs" method, what do you think about that? should i just invest in a R/O filter?

Lettin it sit allows the chlorine to escape, but not heavier
metals such as chloramine, calcium and magnesium, the
Ca and Mg arent huge deals, its just nice to start at 0ppm.
the Chloramine can definitely mess up you biological activity
in your soill.... Idk, it's hard to say if you need a R/O, I'd say
no.... But check out hydrologiic, they have Carbon filters which
get all chlorines and chloramines out... And they are pretty cheap,
like 100 bucks

now that's more like it! havent heard anything on chloramine, but i definitely gotta look into the carbon filter, opposed to the R/O filter. you really are helping a lot bro, thanks for sticking your neck out there and posting your help on my thread, but you've never been scared to stick your neck out there. dude, out of everyone on here, you've totally stuck to all of you're core green values, if i had to name the times you stuck to your guns, it's fricken awesome. nice to know there's someone who can actually stand by their methods. the shrubs method is loctite!

According to my water website I have chloramine in my water, 1-3.5 mg/l. I cannot taste nor smell it, and grew my whole first round with it no problem (no organic nutes though). Should I be concerned with this down the road if I'm investing in products like Carb loaders, Mycorrhizae. ect? I have a fish tank cleaner called Aqamel Plus that is suppose to remove chlorine, chloramine, nitrates and nitrites. I was using it for a few weeks but decided it wasn't worth the trouble. What do you think shrubs? patched up tap water or added cost of R/O system + CalMag ect.