Capitalism 2.0 Will Include a Healthy Dose of Socialism

Fogdog

Fogdog

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ttystikk said:
Dr Martin Luther King, Jr and Ghandi both practiced and animated nonviolent civil disobedience. Yes, much violence was directed at them but that ended up working in their favor.

There is no armed revolt option; they have far more firepower and it's the wrong tactic in any case.
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Both of them were assassinated.
 
Fogdog

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Padawanbater2 said:
Oh, that shit I just destroyed?
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Your idiot post doesn't deserve a full reading and response. I'll just post two of your bullshit arguments

Padawanbater2 said:

The Violent Crime Control and Law Enforcement Act of 1994 was written by Joe Biden, supported by Hillary Clinton, and signed by Bill Clinton


Foreign policy: Bernie Sanders was the only Independent congressman to vote against the Iraq War Resolution. His foreign policy record speaks for itself
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The violent crime and control and law enforcement act was supported by Bernie and he is on record as voting for it. Just pointing out that you left him out of your shitty little argument. He's as culpable as any on this travesty and mistake that should be completely reversed once Democrats gain control of government. Will never be reversed by Republicans -- which begs the question -- why are you so down on Democrats when Republicans are the ones stopping progress?

Too funny that you'd have to qualify your statement as "the only independent congressman to vote against the Iraq War resolution". He's the only independent Senator and he's basically a Democrat because he will run as a Dem in 2020 (also did in 2016). There were 28 other Democrats who voted no. Hey, I give him credit for that but your statement is misleading.

You lied and mislead. If that's your idea of destroyed, stand up, take a bow and give us all a chance to laugh.
 
ttystikk

ttystikk

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Roger A. Shrubber said:
i don't think that was his point.....i think he was trying to point out the ultimate result of non violent revolt......not making a jugdment of either Ghandi or King.......defensive much?
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The ultimate result of both of those movements was a lot more than just assassinations.

Who's the defensive one?
 
Fogdog

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ttystikk said:
So of course that makes them bad people.

Do you even listen to yourself?
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Wrong interpretation of what I meant.

Jumped the gun with your reply too. Your histrionic reply was laughable.

Both were assassinated. The status quo maintained control.

Wholesale violent revolution isn't an answer either because that kind of conflict always end up with the most brutal in charge. A middle ground where, yes, peaceful resistance and protest drives change but defensive violence to protect both the leaders and the demonstrators is what I advocate. Roger and I disagree on how much defensive violence is necessary but we agree the commitment to non-violence typically ends with leaders and followers dead before the goals are reached.
 
ttystikk

ttystikk

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Fogdog said:
Wrong interpretation of what I meant.

Jumped the gun with your reply too. Your histrionic reply was laughable.

Both were assassinated. The status quo maintained control.

Wholesale violent revolution isn't an answer either because that kind of conflict always end up with the most brutal in charge. A middle ground where, yes, peaceful resistance and protest drives change but defensive violence to protect both the leaders and the demonstrators is what I advocate. Roger and I disagree on how much defensive violence is necessary but we agree the commitment to non-violence typically ends with leaders and followers dead before the goals are reached.
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That's not what happened in India, not does it accurately describe the American experience.
 
Fogdog

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ttystikk said:
That's not what happened in India, not does it accurately describe the American experience.
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You don't think the status quo maintained power in India after he died and that it was convenient to them when he was assassinated?

What do you think Martin Luther King meant when he said "he might not make it to the promised land"? He was aware of the danger he was in and regretting that he might leave before his work was done. Do you really think he was killed by a lone wolf assassin? The civil rights era didn't die when he did but it declined rapidly thereafter when we lost MLK. We lost a lot of great leaders at that time. Do you think that was all just coincidence?

Interesting how you can so blithely believe the most incredible shit of a fake conspiracy theory yet miss the obvious.

They were admirable men but they were both taken out by the status quo because they were shaking up their system. I'm not saying I have an answer, nor am I saying passive resistance has no place in redressing grievances but don't hold them up as examples to follow. As one well known leader said. "it is better to give than receive".
 
Roger A. Shrubber

Roger A. Shrubber

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ttystikk said:
The ultimate result of both of those movements was a lot more than just assassinations.

Who's the defensive one?
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tty...those monements had Ghandi and MLK.....who the fuck do we have? beto orourke or kamala harris? or fucking bernie sanders?......you need a principled, dedicated leader, willing to make a lot of sacrifices to achieve their goal.....please point out such an individual to me......because i sure as fuck don't see one.....
 
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schuylaar

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ttystikk said:
Strange. How do we know what's best for the Russian people? We can't even manage to help out our own citizens!
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they actually look at the US as causing their problems which is why they dislike us..they see us as taking their wealth away..but i think that was Putin who did that.
 
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schuylaar

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DIY-HP-LED said:
Russia has an economy smaller than Italy and even though the people are not responsible they will none the less suffer until they deal with Putin. I do not agree with your world view or that of Chris Hedges (I've watched a few of his videos) and my view of Edward Snowden is that he's a traitor. Your country is at war and has been attacked, that tends to make people less tolerant and I'm no exception because my country has been attacked too. I want payback, but that is no reason for action, the existential threat posed by Putin is.

Yer a poster child for the "radical left" and while I'm pretty left of center myself I try to avoid the ditch and the realm of conspiracy theorists. I don't think Hedges is a conspiracy theorist, he is a smart guy who's perspective is warped by his life experiences.

Nobody is going to join a revolution unless conditions in the country become unbearable, have a look around at your own house and those of your neighbors, the majority of people are fucking near living in a materialistic paradise. While yer waiting for the revolution, use that energy to push reform, societies evolve, upward or the spiral downward.

We make history it doesn't just happen, if you don't think a small group of determined people can change the world, tell me when it has been otherwise?
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define 'radical left'..what three things describe this? living wage? healthcare for all? school for all? just curious..

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