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borbor

borbor

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grapefruit-
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The really messed up starbud, definitely keeping this one in veg-
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chem sour d, most excited to try this one, a gift from @ttystikk along with the grapefruit and super lemon haze.
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My healthy starbud plant, this one is definitely one of the three I'll flower next.
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Super lemon haze from ttystikk
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chocolope-
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borbor

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since1991 said:
Pm is a bitch. My buddy just called me yesterday asking how to get rid of it. I told him its best to start over....clean cuts and sterilize the shit out his room. And do it rite. Hes one of them couple lights in a dirty basement growers. I been telling him for sometime now. He doesnt want to spend money on proper equipment.
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I really wanna use these specific plants, enough time and money has been put in. Before I went and bought the clean light I borrowed some "mildew cure" made by the company "safergro" for two spray on applications probably four days apart. Seemed to help a lot, most of the pm that was left was in the spots I missed with the sprayer, especially against the back wall of the tent. It wasn't til I opened the back door for easy watering that I noticed there was still a bunch of pm there. Since I just cut off most of the pm branches and gave the whole tent a very hefty dose of that UV light in the process and have continuously dosed that light over the last day and a half and will continue to for a while, might I be okay?
 
borbor

borbor

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since1991 said:
Pm is a bitch. My buddy just called me yesterday asking how to get rid of it. I told him its best to start over....clean cuts and sterilize the shit out his room. And do it rite. Hes one of them couple lights in a dirty basement growers. I been telling him for sometime now. He doesnt want to spend money on proper equipment.
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oh also, I have a friend just like that, dusty ass lamp he never changes the bulb on, cheap old 4x8 milliard tent from amazon, whatever dose sensi nutes says on the bottle every watering, ffof soil, 600w hps, 4inch booster fan for exhaust, 12/12 from seed, they're in his bedroom and he doesn't even check on them every day. sometimes it comes out good though.
 
since1991

since1991

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Yeah it goes to show how resilient and tough cannabis is. Good genetics and fairly decent equipment have come a long way too. Even lazy growers can pull off something smokable (iffy) now a days.
 
ttystikk

ttystikk

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Spray n wipe the tent inside with peroxide or physan.

Spray plants thoroughly with any combination of Green Cure, Safer Soap, kelp foliar, potassium silicate, Azamax. These act as surfactants to help wet the powdery mildew- you wet it, you kill it- and to raise leaf surface pH, making it inhospitable, and coating to resist infestation.

There's no getting away from PM in Colorado, it's everywhere. Good air flow management, consistent day and night temperature and RH, these will keep it at bay.
 
borbor

borbor

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ttystikk said:
Spray n wipe the tent inside with peroxide or physan.

Spray plants thoroughly with any combination of Green Cure, Safer Soap, kelp foliar, potassium silicate, Azamax. These act as surfactants to help wet the powdery mildew- you wet it, you kill it- and to raise leaf surface pH, making it inhospitable, and coating to resist infestation.

There's no getting away from PM in Colorado, it's everywhere. Good air flow management, consistent day and night temperature and RH, these will keep it at bay.
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Awesome! finally some good news! sounds like my old setup was better for prevention, and as soon as I bring the rest of it here I'll be back on the overkill side with airflow and temp control. The best part- I've been spraying with azamax lately anyway! recommended by the roommate! he also highly recommends kelp foliar spray for other reasons as well.
 
since1991

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Unfortunately pm is inside the plant. Its systemic. Only a systemic fungicide like Eagle 20 ( not recommended- its nasty) will get rid of it in my experience. Greencure or potassium carbonate makes a great preventative dunk for small rooted plants but everytime i tried green cure the spots kept coming back after awhile. The actual pm spots are the fruiting bodies of what is actually "anchored" in the vascular system of the plant. You can keep it at bay with alot of remedies though. If you got something rare i would take small cuts....try and root them regular ways and use a systemic fungicide (hopefullly something not as nasty as eagle 20) on them. Grow them out real nice....take clean cuts off these ans throw the fungicide ones away.....clean cuts to start (mostly)...i saved my sour og about 5 years ago doing this.
 
since1991

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Over the years ive noticed some strains just seem to have a natural affinity towards pm. Cali connects ogiesel comes to mind. Fire ass weed but that little bitch was a dirty girl. I had to chuck her eventually. She would get pm and botrytis when 6 or 7 different cuts would be just fine. And room environment according to my dials would be at or near perfect.
 
GroErr

GroErr

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I have the same problem in my area, PM is everywhere. It is manageable though. One way to manage it is spray regularly, whatever you choose, do it regularly in veg, most times you won't see it in flowering if your airflow and humidity are in check, spraying in flowering is not nice for your buds but I've done it (baking soda mix). Another way is to learn to recognize early signs of it in veg and cull anything that is susceptible to it. Over time I've found certain strains, and even in some strains, only certain phenos will get it while others are almost immune to it, so recognizing it and early culling is good practice (not like it's going to go away, or even be prevented from getting some spores back in your room if your area is covered in it). I have also tried HEPA filters in my room, the one I have is rated for 4x the size of the room but by itself it's not good enough. You shouldn't think that keeping humidity low and lots of airflow is good enough, if it's in your area you will get it without putting other preventative practices in place.

Spring for me is one of the worst times when the snow is melting and ground is thawing. It's been guaranteed to show up in spring here, even with spraying if I have any phenos going that are susceptible to it. So for the last 4 weeks I tried adding a new device and so far I haven't seen any signs and I haven't sprayed any of the plants in my flower room, this is looking very promising, I should have seen some in my room by now as I have a run of seeds going and I doubt every single pheno is immune (maybe but unlikely).

The unit is an air cleaner but using UVC technology vs. filters like the HEPA style air cleaners. It's also rated for about 4x my room size, but the air is sucked into the unit where it passes through an internal chamber bombarded by UVC. For me the $100 I paid for it is peanuts if this thing can keep PM out of the room and so far so good. This is the first time since I found PM in my area that I have some hope that there's a solution without the f'n spraying and constant monitoring. Keeping fingers crossed but based on the time of year, running 9x new plants from seed (~ 4 phenos) and none of them showing any signs of PM, it's looking very good. Here's the unit, I'm sure there are others out there but this one was the only one available locally in CAD and had replacement bulbs readily available locally. The unit ships with a spare bulb and they recommend to change them out every 6 months, they cost peanuts compared to HEPA filters so if this proves to work consistently it's a very good option if not the best option for scrubbing the air if your area is infested with it. Of course maintaining your environment like RH down, lots of airflow etc. is important but I've seen it regardless of those factors being in place. Cheers.

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since1991

since1991

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Yeah...ive noticed this too....certian phenotypes within the overall variety or strain were more susceptable to pm. Sucks. Alot of times these phenos were the ones i liked the best too. Pm is such a drag. I would rather have neither but if i had to choose i would take regular two spotted mites anyday over powdery mildew. If and when i do get mites (been awhile -knock on wood) ive got a little program that i rely on now that eradicates them bastards everytime. I havent had mites in a few years though....thank god. Pm is a different dealy all together. That can be a sumbitch to clear out.
 
GroErr

GroErr

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since1991 said:
Yeah...ive noticed this too....certian phenotypes within the overall variety or strain were more susceptable to pm. Sucks. Alot of times these phenos were the ones i liked the best too. Pm is such a drag. I would rather have neither but if i had to choose i would take regular two spotted mites anyday over powdery mildew. If and when i do get mites (been awhile -knock on wood) ive got a little program that i rely on now that eradicates them bastards everytime. I havent had mites in a few years though....thank god. Pm is a different dealy all together. That can be a sumbitch to clear out.
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PM wore my patience thin when I fist found out it was so bad where I live (outdoor), I even considered just not growing until I found some ways to manage it. If this UVC filter contraption works through the next couple of months I will be a very happy grower!! I tried culling, bleaching the room, sprays, filters, no matter what though, there's no keeping it out of the room 100% when you look at outdoor plants that turn white because they're covered in PM #$@!
 
borbor

borbor

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GroErr said:
I have the same problem in my area, PM is everywhere. It is manageable though. One way to manage it is spray regularly, whatever you choose, do it regularly in veg, most times you won't see it in flowering if your airflow and humidity are in check, spraying in flowering is not nice for your buds but I've done it (baking soda mix). Another way is to learn to recognize early signs of it in veg and cull anything that is susceptible to it. Over time I've found certain strains, and even in some strains, only certain phenos will get it while others are almost immune to it, so recognizing it and early culling is good practice (not like it's going to go away, or even be prevented from getting some spores back in your room if your area is covered in it). I have also tried HEPA filters in my room, the one I have is rated for 4x the size of the room but by itself it's not good enough. You shouldn't think that keeping humidity low and lots of airflow is good enough, if it's in your area you will get it without putting other preventative practices in place.

Spring for me is one of the worst times when the snow is melting and ground is thawing. It's been guaranteed to show up in spring here, even with spraying if I have any phenos going that are susceptible to it. So for the last 4 weeks I tried adding a new device and so far I haven't seen any signs and I haven't sprayed any of the plants in my flower room, this is looking very promising, I should have seen some in my room by now as I have a run of seeds going and I doubt every single pheno is immune (maybe but unlikely).

The unit is an air cleaner but using UVC technology vs. filters like the HEPA style air cleaners. It's also rated for about 4x my room size, but the air is sucked into the unit where it passes through an internal chamber bombarded by UVC. For me the $100 I paid for it is peanuts if this thing can keep PM out of the room and so far so good. This is the first time since I found PM in my area that I have some hope that there's a solution without the f'n spraying and constant monitoring. Keeping fingers crossed but based on the time of year, running 9x new plants from seed (~ 4 phenos) and none of them showing any signs of PM, it's looking very good. Here's the unit, I'm sure there are others out there but this one was the only one available locally in CAD and had replacement bulbs readily available locally. The unit ships with a spare bulb and they recommend to change them out every 6 months, they cost peanuts compared to HEPA filters so if this proves to work consistently it's a very good option if not the best option for scrubbing the air if your area is infested with it. Of course maintaining your environment like RH down, lots of airflow etc. is important but I've seen it regardless of those factors being in place. Cheers.

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100$? nice! the "clean light" I got is a UVC light, they say to shine it on the plants once a day, over the whole architecture of the plant, about five seconds for any given area, and it's supposed to kill viruses, mold, and mildew, and so in theory all of my pm has been rendered inert and even though there might be a small amount visible in the tent (I doubt it, I cut so much off last night) the only way I'm supposed to be able to get any more is if it comes in the intake. of course I'll keep spraying though, I'm not gonna put that much trust into a magic wand that might or might not do nothing at all. I've heard a bit about this before, and I was even considering adding UVC to my intake, but I had assumed that any kind of setup like that would break the bank even more than this portable UVC unit. might need to look into that today.

Also, I've sprayed this twice so far, once a week-
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ttystikk

ttystikk

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borbor said:
100$? nice! the "clean light" I got is a UVC light, they say to shine it on the plants once a day, over the whole architecture of the plant, about five seconds for any given area, and it's supposed to kill viruses, mold, and mildew, and so in theory all of my pm has been rendered inert and even though there might be a small amount visible in the tent (I doubt it, I cut so much off last night) the only way I'm supposed to be able to get any more is if it comes in the intake. of course I'll keep spraying though, I'm not gonna put that much trust into a magic wand that might or might not do nothing at all. I've heard a bit about this before, and I was even considering adding UVC to my intake, but I had assumed that any kind of setup like that would break the bank even more than this portable UVC unit. might need to look into that today.

Also, I've sprayed this twice so far, once a week-
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LOL, I love how they listed sodium bicarbonate as an inert ingredient. Green Cure is better because it's POTASSIUM bicarbonate, much better for your plants than sodium.
 
GroErr

GroErr

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borbor said:
100$? nice! the "clean light" I got is a UVC light, they say to shine it on the plants once a day, over the whole architecture of the plant, about five seconds for any given area, and it's supposed to kill viruses, mold, and mildew, and so in theory all of my pm has been rendered inert and even though there might be a small amount visible in the tent (I doubt it, I cut so much off last night) the only way I'm supposed to be able to get any more is if it comes in the intake. of course I'll keep spraying though, I'm not gonna put that much trust into a magic wand that might or might not do nothing at all. I've heard a bit about this before, and I was even considering adding UVC to my intake, but I had assumed that any kind of setup like that would break the bank even more than this portable UVC unit. might need to look into that today.

Also, I've sprayed this twice so far, once a week-
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Yeah I've seen those, probably work but I'll be dammed if I'm going to wave a wand over every plant daily, too lazy, hoping this UVC air cleaner works for me. I'd reconsider on filtering your intake to keep it out of your room. If it's outside and sounds like it is, any spores on your clothes, shoes, whatever will be tracked in and start it all over again.
 
ttystikk

ttystikk

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GroErr said:
Yeah I've seen those, probably work but I'll be dammed if I'm going to wave a wand over every plant daily, too lazy, hoping this UVC air cleaner works for me. I'd reconsider on filtering your intake to keep it out of your room. If it's outside and sounds like it is, any spores on your clothes, shoes, whatever will be tracked in and start it all over again.
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Quick rundown on bugs in Colorado; go outside in the summer and look at some dandelions and bindweed. Dandelions are covered in spidermites and bindweed is white with PM. GUARANTEED.
 
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