Borbor's Perpetual Journal

Decided to start a journal just for the here and now, it'd be nice to have a place to come post pics and stuff again. I did my first journal (in my sig) from february to june/july of this year. Had a great time with it and haven't stopped growing at all, just stopped posting it a lot on rollitup, the in-between time from then to now wasn't all that exciting either, some crappy genetics no doubt. (thanks, th seeds, the third time in person I've seen your genetics put out crap, after sage and kushage) For anybody that followed the first journal though, I did reveg my wonderful starbud from hortilab seeds, which to this day is the best weed I've seen still on the plant in person.

So onto the real intro-

the setup-

flowering-
5'x5'x7'9" gorilla grow tent
two sun system LEC 315 CMH fixtures
8 inch phresh hyper fan for exhaust
6 inch vortex s-line fan for intake from outside (only when lights are on)

veg-
4'x4'x7'7" gorilla lite line grow tent
two area 51 RW-75s (white leds switched on only)
two foot, four bulb t5 ho fixture (soon to be removed)
two area 51 4000k w90s (ordered them a week ago, shouldn't be long now, but not here yet, these will replace the t5)
6 inch vortex s-line fan for exhaust

I started out using this "moonshine mix" from batch 64 as my medium, It seriously is advertised toward pot growers in colorado, and it could be the store I was getting it at, but I got fungus gnats straight out of the bag like every time. I switched to roots organic original blend bought from a different store, and overall it looks and feels like a better soil anyway. also noticeably no bugs. there's still a few gallons of the moonshine mix in my garden, but it's all buried under roots organic since transplanting everything.

I also started out using smart pots, I still like em, but wanted to try with something less... flexible, for lack of a better word. I grabbed some rootmaker pots, which I love so far, but it's really shitty that they don't come in a size larger than about 5 gallons. Because of that, I picked up some 25 liter hercules pots (about 6.6 gallons) which I have a couple of plants in. As I expected though, I'm not a huge fan of the enormous aeration holes. I can see how it depends on the medium, but I don't see it really working out long term for me, I gotta start trying airpots, though they look like a pain in the ass.

I started out using the bio-canna nutrient line, and adding 4ml of general organics CaMg+ per gallon each feeding, this is what I'm still doing. Thinking about switching to biobizz, or going nuts with it, there's a new nutrient made here in my town called "mammoth p" that I wanna try. They say to use it the full cycle, though more in flower, and that it's pretty much phosphorus and microbes.

Without further ado, here are some pictures of the here and now-
Starbud, the original plant from my first journal, revegged and flowered. By the way, sometime during the first journal I named this plant, even though I always thought it was really stupid when people would post pictures like "matilda isn't doing so well" or "sarah's getting nice and fat"
but I can't look at this plant and not say the name "Frostithicus"


Frostithicus might die soon, but her offspring will live on, for fucking ever if I have anything to say about it.

I'm gonna keep posting replies with my other plants and stuff, but maybe not all tonight

Here's the flowering tent, the back left and back middle are S1s of some white critical from g13 labs, I gave two friends of mine that grew some beans for christmas. I'm not good friends with them anymore, mostly because I'm trying to change my own life and you are who you hang around, these burnouts are holding me back. Part of a new year's resolution I've actually kept, I guess. Anyway, dude only knows how to grow herms but I guess I got the genetics I gave to him back in hermed seed form. Only popped two, watching them both for nanners.
And the rest, back right, and front right/middle are starbud again. The back right looks very very healthy, and looks like a good yield for that strain, the original plant revegged, as far as I can tell so far, hasn't matched what she put out the first time, but that one in the back has had some LST and a pretty normal life, I just think more light in veg might have helped with node spacing down low. can't wait for the a51s.

crazy how the whole starbud goes purple huh? when I flush it goes yellow, or purple with yellow stripes
lights and the temp today, gotta say it hasn't been this good most days, since I got air coming in from outside, and my lights run at night, and my intake only runs with lights on.

Night temps, with the intake off, and "night" actually being 5 AM to 5 PM (was 6-6 before time change) are around 68-70, right now last week my temps could hit 80, now I'm at like 75. what's my plan for the cold, cold winter months in CO? I dunno

Are you running a dehumidifier? Bummer about those genetics, I'd stop ordering from them after the first bad turnout. The starbud is looking awesome, is that a sativa strain? Kind of wishing I had just went w/ an 860w cmh and 1000w ballast now, but the 315 isn't a bad investment.

DesertGrow89 said:

Are you running a dehumidifier? Bummer about those genetics, I'd stop ordering from them after the first bad turnout. The starbud is looking awesome, is that a sativa strain? Kind of wishing I had just went w/ an 860w cmh and 1000w ballast now, but the 315 isn't a bad investment.

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You got the right lamp. 860W CDM los and sounds great but the magnetic ballast really holds it back by comparison to 315W CMH. The little ones prefer a vertical mounting orientation anyway, so just run them bare and hang them up!

Dehuey might help him with both RH and low temps.

borbor said:

Here's the flowering tent, the back left and back middle are S1s of some white critical from g13 labs, I gave two friends of mine that grew some beans for christmas. I'm not good friends with them anymore, mostly because I'm trying to change my own life and you are who you hang around, these burnouts are holding me back. Part of a new year's resolution I've actually kept, I guess. Anyway, dude only knows how to grow herms but I guess I got the genetics I gave to him back in hermed seed form. Only popped two, watching them both for nanners.
And the rest, back right, and front right/middle are starbud again. The back right looks very very healthy, and looks like a good yield for that strain, the original plant revegged, as far as I can tell so far, hasn't matched what she put out the first time, but that one in the back has had some LST and a pretty normal life, I just think more light in veg might have helped with node spacing down low. can't wait for the a51s.
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crazy how the whole starbud goes purple huh? when I flush it goes yellow, or purple with yellow stripes
lights and the temp today, gotta say it hasn't been this good most days, since I got air coming in from outside, and my lights run at night, and my intake only runs with lights on.
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Night temps, with the intake off, and "night" actually being 5 AM to 5 PM (was 6-6 before time change) are around 68-70, right now last week my temps could hit 80, now I'm at like 75. what's my plan for the cold, cold winter months in CO? I dunno

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You want to trade some phenos, give me a shout!

ttystikk said:

You got the right lamp. 860W CDM los and sounds great but the magnetic ballast really holds it back by comparison to 315W CMH. The little ones prefer a vertical mounting orientation anyway, so just run them bare and hang them up!

Dehuey might help him with both RH and low temps.

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Thanks for clearing that up, can one run a 315w CMH bulb with a standard 400w digital ballast?

DesertGrow89 said:

Thanks for clearing that up, can one run a 315w CMH bulb with a standard 400w digital ballast?

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I doubt it- and you wouldn't want to. Philip's digital low frequency square wave ballast is where all the sex in the tech is, anyway.

DesertGrow89 said:

Are you running a dehumidifier? Bummer about those genetics, I'd stop ordering from them after the first bad turnout. The starbud is looking awesome, is that a sativa strain? Kind of wishing I had just went w/ an 860w cmh and 1000w ballast now, but the 315 isn't a bad investment.

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naw, I'm surprised about the 20% RH, usually it's been 30-35, i'm in Colorado so the air here is dry as hell, from what I've read, it's better to be under than over with RH so I haven't really been concerned, do you think I should be though?
and yeah, those genetics, to be %100 honest the sage a friend of mine grew was bagseed, was totally legit though, the fan leaves smelled unmistakably like an actual sage plant (not cannabis) starting at like day 4 from seed and getting more intense as it went on, it was a good yielder and performed as advertised (as far as smell) but tasted poopy and wasn't potent. The kushage were clones from medicine man in denver, They weren't too potent, tasted like ass, didn't yield much, I guess to be fair to th seeds they were grown by my friend that sucks at growing. The hog was the only one I actually ordered from them, based on those same friends telling me stories for years about how some guy back in high school was selling them the best weed they'd ever had for a whole summer and calling it hog. I gave a seed to both of those guys, their result was a very high yielding crap plant, from 12/12 from seed I think this dude got like 2 or three ounces, but I'd say there were somewhere between 100 and 200 trichomes on the whole plant. Mine came out a little better, massive yield, some flavor (not great though) and definitely lots more trichs, could have been a phenotype thing, though I doubt it. So TH Seeds is now the first on my "do not order" list.

ttystikk said:

You want to trade some phenos, give me a shout!

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nice! I didn't even realize you were in CO too! I'm in Fort Collins.




First snow of the season tonight, 72.5 degrees with lights on, I always valued the swing I have between day temps and night temps, but usually temps are like 68 with lights off, the gap is closing! Dunno if I should switch the intake to 24/7, swap out the 347 cfm intake fan for a cheap booster fan, or just let 'em chill. maybe even take off the intake? If I did that, from experience I'd say it'd hit 90 degrees
Oh yeah, can't remember if I mentioned this before but the fixture on the left is actually running the 4200k bulb (philips greenpower) instead of the 3100k (philips elite agro), I wanted to have that there to experiment with the idea that more blue spectrum in late flower enhances trichs, the two starbud in veg I think are gonna go 12/12 at the same time, one on the left one on the right.
Coming up next- pictures of the veg tent.

Subbed! I just picked up a 315 too and found your grow journals as I was researching. Love your results and will def be following this! One question for ya, what was the average distance you kept between the 315 and the plants?

borbor said:

naw, I'm surprised about the 20% RH, usually it's been 30-35, i'm in Colorado so the air here is dry as hell, from what I've read, it's better to be under than over with RH so I haven't really been concerned, do you think I should be though?
and yeah, those genetics, to be %100 honest the sage a friend of mine grew was bagseed, was totally legit though, the fan leaves smelled unmistakably like an actual sage plant (not cannabis) starting at like day 4 from seed and getting more intense as it went on, it was a good yielder and performed as advertised (as far as smell) but tasted poopy and wasn't potent. The kushage were clones from medicine man in denver, They weren't too potent, tasted like ass, didn't yield much, I guess to be fair to th seeds they were grown by my friend that sucks at growing. The hog was the only one I actually ordered from them, based on those same friends telling me stories for years about how some guy back in high school was selling them the best weed they'd ever had for a whole summer and calling it hog. I gave a seed to both of those guys, their result was a very high yielding crap plant, from 12/12 from seed I think this dude got like 2 or three ounces, but I'd say there were somewhere between 100 and 200 trichomes on the whole plant. Mine came out a little better, massive yield, some flavor (not great though) and definitely lots more trichs, could have been a phenotype thing, though I doubt it. So TH Seeds is now the first on my "do not order" list.

nice! I didn't even realize you were in CO too! I'm in Fort Collins.




First snow of the season tonight, 72.5 degrees with lights on, I always valued the swing I have between day temps and night temps, but usually temps are like 68 with lights off, the gap is closing! Dunno if I should switch the intake to 24/7, swap out the 347 cfm intake fan for a cheap booster fan, or just let 'em chill. maybe even take off the intake? If I did that, from experience I'd say it'd hit 90 degrees
Oh yeah, can't remember if I mentioned this before but the fixture on the left is actually running the 4200k bulb (philips greenpower) instead of the 3100k (philips elite agro), I wanted to have that there to experiment with the idea that more blue spectrum in late flower enhances trichs, the two starbud in veg I think are gonna go 12/12 at the same time, one on the left one on the right.
Coming up next- pictures of the veg tent.

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I'm in Ft Collins, too.

I was wondering how your humidity is so low because mine has been around 70%, and need to get that down before flower. Just ran a refurbished 30 pint frigidaire dehumidifier off amazon for a few hours, and it hasn't even ejected any water, assuming it's a defective product...

DesertGrow89 said:

I was wondering how your humidity is so low because mine has been around 70%, and need to get that down before flower. Just ran a refurbished 30 pint frigidaire dehumidifier off amazon for a few hours, and it hasn't even ejected any water, assuming it's a defective product...

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woah! crazy! I hope it is defective!

calidankkk said:

Subbed! I just picked up a 315 too and found your grow journals as I was researching. Love your results and will def be following this! One question for ya, what was the average distance you kept between the 315 and the plants?

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thanks! I've pretty much been hanging them as high as I can in the tent and kinda letting plants grow into it, especially since I'm doing semi- perpetual with a few strains and they're all at different sizes and ages, so sometimes it would be ideal for me to lower a light for one plant, except that that would burn all the plants around it, I'd rather just leave it at the top, The two white critical seem to be victims of that practice. What I was doing for a bit was raising plants up on wire racks for the first week or two of flower, until they'd stretched to near the height of the other plants and then putting em down.
I just pulled out a tape measure to see where I'm at, most plants are a little more than two feet away! though I've had some do fine as close as 16-18 inches. I personally would recommend about 20-22 inches. Keeping in mind that using these two fixtures, there's overlap so it's probably more okay to have it farther away

borbor said:

woah! crazy! I hope it is defective!


thanks! I've pretty much been hanging them as high as I can in the tent and kinda letting plants grow into it, especially since I'm doing semi- perpetual with a few strains and they're all at different sizes and ages, so sometimes it would be ideal for me to lower a light for one plant, except that that would burn all the plants around it, I'd rather just leave it at the top, The two white critical seem to be victims of that practice. What I was doing for a bit was raising plants up on wire racks for the first week or two of flower, until they'd stretched to near the height of the other plants and then putting em down.
I just pulled out a tape measure to see where I'm at, most plants are a little more than two feet away! though I've had some do fine as close as 16-18 inches. I personally would recommend about 20-22 inches. Keeping in mind that using these two fixtures, there's overlap so it's probably more okay to have it farther away

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awesome thanks for the insight! I have mine at about 2ft away now, as my girls are only 3 weeks old. I have a few different strains going too and a mix of sativas and indicas so I'm sure I'm gonna be doing some height adjustment as well. I wanted to throw another one in during flower, do you think that would be too much heat in a 4x4?

I'd guess so, just because I was going over 90 degrees with these two in a 5x5 with an 8 inch exhaust, though after I started bringing air in from outside it dropped like 10 degrees. Recently it's dropping even more, our night time low temps have been in the 20's and 30's so that's the air temp I'm bringing in the six inch intake, and the tent is averaging around 74. I'd say in a 4x4 I'd probably just try to find some LEDs to throw on the sides. Looking forward to seeing whatever you choose!

So since I didn't want to look stupid when things didn't pan out for me, I didn't mention this earlier, but I learned about rosin tech last week, tried it out a little on my hog from th seeds, was getting very little return, pinched a tiny nug off of starbud and tried a squeeze, got a bunch of watery purple goo, like bright bright purple, so I was thinking- "purple extracts...Starbud rules!" but wanted to wait and be sure,

Okay now I'm sure

new stuff in my veg tent!

looks a lot better as far as brightness now, I could use two more potentially, one day.
Those two in the back are starbud, the one on the left is a freaking monster, it was a clone that topped itself, after the two tops were about a foot each I LSTed them into an X. Might try to make it a double helix and keep it as a mom. What better way to preserve a plant's genetics than to make it look like fuckin' DNA?
The two in the front are Delicious Seeds cotton candy, I really need to transplant the one on the right, I transplanted the starbud on the right today and wrongfully assumed I had enough soil for both plants. Hoping that timing works out and by the time I cut down white critical I can have clones rooted for the cotton candy and put them into flower. At the same time I take those clones I'll probably see if I can pop my DNA chocolope or dinafem diesel. On the fence about which one.
here's some flowering updates. Unfortunately I didn't keep track of when I put any of these in.

The oldest starbud, looks like it's gonna yield more than the revegged original plant I just chopped, which came in at 145 grams, by the way.

The next oldest starbud, just starting to form some buds

The oldest white critical, probably next to get chopped.

right behind it, the next oldest white critical about two weeks behind, I think.

This is the most recent starbud to go in, a little too lanky I think, I should have just LSTed more or cut her apart into clones like mickey did with the brooms in fantasia. I'm sure I'll get something to smoke though.



How are they looking? I know there's some fade going on with my older starbud and white critical, does it look like any specific deficiency other than perhaps should have kept up the veg nutes for even longer (I did until I could see bud development, for example that 2nd oldest starbud got its first flowering nutes two days ago)
I am pretty psyched about how the white critical leaves have been pretty much pointing straight up all of flowering, might not be the best indicator of a healthy plant, but if the plant looks happy I look happy!

Woohoo! Nice sexy new toys hanging from the ceiling in there!

http://growershouse.com/ceramic-science-315w-cmh-light-conversion-kit

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