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DIY-HP-LED

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I wouldn't be so sure since you told someone to ask about Trump's snake oil.

But sure, you are basically a medical doctor because you posted a bunch of spam videos online about them. You got me.

Oh, and Dear Leader not telling his cult to get them is not helpful. It would be far better if he was actually promoting them, but it really is damned if you do damned if you don't with Trump, so you are right about not knowing how that would wind up.
Not a doctor, just someone who likes to talk science and technology too, science writers are not doctors either, but I post their stuff. I talk politics too, but I'm not a politician, I do know a few Canadian ones. When you are on the bleeding edge of desperate medicine and science shit happens though and a lot of shit did happen in the scientific community and the fights and debates were fierce. The good doctor just followed the science and reported on what the news was in the medical and research communities, mostly to medical peers, we just got a peek because of covid and a paucity of news sources. This is well covered in the professional mass media now though and I only post a fraction of what is out there concerning covid, just the important peer reviewed stuff that will make a difference.

This is as close as I've come to a science thread here, but it is tech heavy and is also my hobby
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hanimmal

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Not a doctor, just someone who likes to talk science and technology too, science writers are not doctors either, but I post their stuff. I talk politics too, but I'm not a politician, I do know a few Canadian ones. When you are on the bleeding edge of desperate medicine and science shit happens though and a lot of shit did happen in the scientific community and the fights and debates were fierce. The good doctor just followed the science and reported on what the news was in the medical and research communities, mostly to medical peers, we just got a peek because of covid and a paucity of news sources. This is well covered in the professional mass media now though and I only post a fraction of what is out there concerning covid, just the important peer reviewed stuff that will make a difference.

This is as close as I've come to a science thread here, but it is tech heavy and is also my hobby
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You mean outside of pushing your 'medical' videos on Trump's snake oil?

https://www.rollitup.org/t/public-health-tips-and-information-on-how-to-prepare-for-the-epidemic-avoid-illness-and-protect-our-communities.1008266/post-15439993

I am sorry I still call bullshit on you posting that dudes videos.

And moreover ' When you are on the bleeding edge of desperate medicine and science shit happens though and a lot of shit did happen in the scientific community and the fights and debates were fierce.' is just more talking out of your ass.

The science was going on behind closed doors, you were just spamming someone who went to a cultist school all their life's videos on Trump's con and pretending like you understood what was going on.

Anyone that knows this shit would have known enough to not recommend Trump's snake oil.
 
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DIY-HP-LED

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You mean outside of pushing your 'medical' videos on Trump's snake oil?

https://www.rollitup.org/t/public-health-tips-and-information-on-how-to-prepare-for-the-epidemic-avoid-illness-and-protect-our-communities.1008266/post-15439993

I am sorry I still call bullshit on you posting that dudes videos still.

And moreover ' When you are on the bleeding edge of desperate medicine and science shit happens though and a lot of shit did happen in the scientific community and the fights and debates were fierce.' is just more talking out of your ass. The science was going on behind closed doors, you were just spamming someone who went to a cultist school all their life's videos on Trump's con and pretending like you understood what was going on.

Anyone that knows this shit would have known enough to not recommend Trump's snake oil.
It became trump's snake oil after, it was being promoted with in the medical community by doctors to other doctors because of the lack of science and alternatives. He touted it after the very first poorly conducted observational trial by a quack and when I saw the guy and read about him, I was suspicious and I believe I even mentioned it to you at the time.

Nobody really knew anything, but they knew that too, in this kind of science double blinded placebo studies using large sample sizes that establish causation are the gold standard. Those kinds of studies take time to organize and separate ethical and statistic committees have to be set up, patient permissions across multiple institutions and states need to be arranged too. In the spring when this was going on many studies were canceled because NPI's controlled it and reduced the numbers of patients. It happened in China, Europe, Canada and even America, at least in the spring.

There was a Helluva lot of excitement about remdesivir too, but it appears from the latest work to be no more effective for covid than HCQ, but Trump took it when he was hospitalized for covid. Research is on going and there is conflicting info

Study Finds Antiviral Meds Like Remdesivir Have No Effect on COVID-19 (healthline.com)
 

hanimmal

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It became trump's snake oil after, it was being promoted with in the medical community by doctors to other doctors because of the lack of science and alternatives. He touted it after the very first poorly conducted observational trial by a quack and when I saw the guy and read about him, I was suspicious and I believe I even mentioned it to you at the time.

Nobody really knew anything, but they knew that too, in this kind of science double blinded placebo studies using large sample sizes that establish causation are the gold standard. Those kinds of studies take time to organize and separate ethical and statistic committees have to be set up, patient permissions across multiple institutions and states need to be arranged too. In the spring when this was going on many studies were canceled because NPI's controlled it and reduced the numbers of patients. It happened in China, Europe, Canada and even America, at least in the spring.

There was a Helluva lot of excitement about remdesivir too, but it appears from the latest work to be no more effective for covid than HCQ, but Trump took it when he was hospitalized for covid. Research is on going and there is conflicting info

Study Finds Antiviral Meds Like Remdesivir Have No Effect on COVID-19 (healthline.com)

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Im sure with how on top of the latest in medicine you are is the reason that you found this video the day it got uploaded, and posted it here.

https://www.rollitup.org/t/public-health-tips-and-information-on-how-to-prepare-for-the-epidemic-avoid-illness-and-protect-our-communities.1008266/post-15369308
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Along with a bunch of panic memes.

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March 16: Tesla CEO Elon Musk tweets a link to a March 13 paper suggesting that the anti-malarial drug chloroquine might be effective at treating covid-19.


A few hours earlier, the drug gets its first mention on Fox Business Network, with Fox contributor Marc Siegel, a doctor.

“In terms of treatments, remdesivir” — an anti-viral — “looks very promising. I will tell you something you don’t know: the South Koreans have tried chloroquine, that’s for malaria,” Siegel says. “Hydroxychloroquine is something we use for arthritis. Those look very promising."

That evening, Gregory Rigano, one of the authors of the paper Musk linked, appears on Laura Ingraham’s Fox News show. He says that hydroxychloroquine can “just get rid of [the virus] completely."

Rigano, though, is an attorney, not a doctor. He'd written the paper with the help of James Todaro, an ophthalmologist and tech investor. It was identified as having been written “in consultation with Stanford University School of Medicine”

— but Stanford publicly denied any link. The document linked by Musk was later removed from Google Docs for violating the company's terms of service.

Mid-March: Trump speaks with Oracle chairman Larry Ellison, who in February hosted a major fundraising event for the president in California. Ellison suggests that the government establish a system (based on Oracle’s database tools) to track the use of chloroquine and hydroxychloroquine as possible treatments for covid-19, the disease caused by the new coronavirus.

Others raise the idea in the same period, including Mehmet Oz (Dr. Oz), a regular on Fox News who the New York Times reports had contacted Trump advisers.

March 17: A French doctor named Didier Raoult is part of a group of researchers who publish a paper suggesting that a combination of hydroxychloroquine and the anti-bacterial medication azithromycin (which is often sold under the brand name Z-Pak) could be effective against the disease. The study later draws significant scrutiny, including from the journal where it was published.

Anthony S. Fauci, a leading member of the White House coronavirus task force, appears on Ingraham’s Fox News program that evening.

“We have to be careful, Laura, that we don't assume something works based on an anecdotal report that's not controlled,” he said. “And I refer specifically to hydroxychloroquine. There's a lot of buzz out there on the Internet, on the social media about that. We need to look at it in a scientific way."

March 18: Rigano appears on Tucker Carlson’s Fox News show. Ingraham touts the Raoult study.
A couple days later a 'scientific' paper (that is later proven bullshit I believe) comes out talking about the drug you already posted a video of. Where a doctor (Whose entire college/medical school/experience) was done at the same cult is 'explaining' the pandemic.

A few days after that this bullshit drug is then picked up and amplified by Elon Musk. Then it gets on Fox, and the rest is a circle jerk of credibility as Trump picks it up and starts the feedback loop all over again for trolls to start pushing it for/against 'camps' to divide us up as a nation that much more.
 

hanimmal

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It was about 40 days ago when the idea of using anti-malarial medications to treat covid-19, the disease caused by the new coronavirus, first gained traction on social media. It took only a few days for President Trump to embrace the idea that chloroquine or hydryroxychloroquine might be game-changers in treatment of the deadly disease and only a few days more before Trump was actively hyping the medications.

As evidence mounted that the medications bore significant risks — including evidence coming from the government agencies Trump oversees — the president was much slower to respond. On Thursday evening, he insisted that “we’ve had a lot of very good results and we had some results that perhaps aren’t so good” in assessment of the use of the medications. Less than 24 hours later, though, a nail in the coffin for the medications came, as the Food and Drug Administration offered a public warning against their use.
Here’s how Trump’s focus on the medication rose and fell over the past 40 days.

March 16: Tesla CEO Elon Musk tweets a link to a March 13 paper suggesting that the anti-malarial drug chloroquine might be effective at treating covid-19.

A few hours earlier, the drug gets its first mention on Fox Business Network, with Fox contributor Marc Siegel, a doctor.

“In terms of treatments, remdesivir” — an anti-viral — “looks very promising. I will tell you something you don’t know: the South Koreans have tried chloroquine, that’s for malaria,” Siegel says. “Hydroxychloroquine is something we use for arthritis. Those look very promising."

That evening, Gregory Rigano, one of the authors of the paper Musk linked, appears on Laura Ingraham’s Fox News show. He says that hydroxychloroquine can “just get rid of [the virus] completely."

Rigano, though, is an attorney, not a doctor. He'd written the paper with the help of James Todaro, an ophthalmologist and tech investor. It was identified as having been written “in consultation with Stanford University School of Medicine” — but Stanford publicly denied any link. The document linked by Musk was later removed from Google Docs for violating the company's terms of service.
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“We have to be careful, Laura, that we don't assume something works based on an anecdotal report that's not controlled,” he said. “And I refer specifically to hydroxychloroquine. There's a lot of buzz out there on the Internet, on the social media about that. We need to look at it in a scientific way."

March 18: Rigano appears on Tucker Carlson’s Fox News show. Ingraham touts the Raoult study.
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April 3: Reading from his prepared remarks, Trump talks about ongoing studies.

“We continue to study the effectiveness of hydroxychloroquine and other therapies, and the treatment and prevention of the virus,” he says. “And we will keep the American people fully informed on our findings."

Looking up and speaking off the cuff, he continues, “Hydroxychloroquine — I don't know, it's looking like it's having some good results. I hope that — that would be a phenomenal thing."

“We've ordered it in the case that it works,” he adds. “And it's — it could have some pretty big impacts. And we'll see what happens."

The Post later reports that Trump had a visitor at the White House that same day: Laura Ingraham, who visited with two doctors to promote the use of the drug.
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April 6: Trump congratulates a Democratic state legislator from Michigan who attributed her recovery from covid-19 to taking chloroquine at Trump’s suggestion.

Congratulations to State Representative Karen Whitsett of Michigan. So glad you are getting better! https://t.co/v6z46rUDtg
— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) April 6, 2020
April 7: During the briefing, Trump is asked if side effects are being tracked.

“The side effects are the least of it. You have people dying all over the place,” he replies. “And generally, the side effects are really with the Z-Pak having to do with the heart. The Z-Pak — that's the antibiotic. Not with the hydroxychloroquine."

He again touts the story of the Michigan lawmaker.

That night, he’s a caller on Sean Hannity’s Fox News show. He emphasizes a theory that had spread on social media.

“They're finding that people that — like in the malaria countries, that it doesn't seem that those countries have been hit, because the people take it,” he said. “You have countries that have massive malaria problems and they take the hydroxychloroquine, and they don't seem to be having the problem with the — the virus that all other countries are having."

“Malaria-endemic countries in all WHO regions have reported cases of COVID-19,” the website of the World Health Organization notes.

By the end of the day on April 7, Fox News and Fox Business have mentioned chloroquine and hydroxychloroquine nearly 1,000 times.
Just happens to be around this time that I got curious about that cult doctor you were posting videos about.
https://www.rollitup.org/t/public-health-tips-and-information-on-how-to-prepare-for-the-epidemic-avoid-illness-and-protect-our-communities.1008266/post-15439993

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He also says he’ll look at the NIH finding. That evening, with no shortage of irony, Ingraham criticizes the media for promoting a study that wasn’t controlled.

Just makes my night pic.twitter.com/ivYUtFC2uO
— Jason Campbell (@JasonSCampbell) April 23, 2020
April 22: Rick Bright, the former director of the Biomedical Advanced Research and Development Authority, alleges that he was demoted because he objected to the administration’s promotion of chloroquine and hydroxychloroquine.

“I rightly resisted efforts to provide an unproven drug on demand to the American public,” he wrote in a statement.

“Well, I've never heard of him,” Trump says of Bright at the daily briefing. “If the guy says he was pushed out of a job, maybe he was, maybe he wasn't. I — you'd have to hear the other side. I don't know who he is."

The FDA’s March 28 emergency use authorization letter was sent to Bright “in response to [Bright’s] request that the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) issue an Emergency Use Authorization (EUA) for emergency use of oral formulations of chloroquine phosphate and hydroxychloroquine sulfate.”

April 23: Trump is asked during the briefing why he’s stopped promoting the drugs.

“I haven’t at all. I haven’t at all. What are you say — we’ll see what happens,” Trump replies. “We’ve had a lot of very good results and we had some results that perhaps aren’t so good. I don’t know. I just read about one, but I also read many times good. So I haven’t at all. And it’s a — it’s a great — for malaria, for lupus, for other things. And we’ll see what it is."

April 24: The FDA formally warns against taking the medicines Trump has promoted due to “serious heart rhythm problems."

“We will continue to investigate risks associated with the use of hydroxychloroquine and chloroquine for COVID-19 and communicate publicly when we have more information,” the FDA release states.

By the end of the day on April 22, the most recent day for which data are available, Fox News and Fox Business had mentioned those two drugs 1,375 times.

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DIY-HP-LED

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I've see the wall of past posts, but I don't see your point at all. I operate from memory and don't spend an hour searching others posts and I assume it is some attempt to prosecute me for something? He was posting about it from other sources before Musk picked up on it, then later Trump did. I even posted a similar article that outlined the detailed chronology of events. I was trying to discuss the science and research for a spell until it became too politicized.

Trump had his morons drinking Clorox too, whose fault was that?

I find you reach for this nothingness when you get desperate and have tried to gaslight me with it several times whenever you get pissed or in a corner. Some humorous cartoons posted from American cartoonist to lighten things up became "panic memes" as you cherry picked the thread inspector :lol: You must have a pretty low opinion of people if you think a cartoon over the spring toilet paper shortage was a "panic meme". I spent the last while meditating, you are still carrying something on yer back.:lol:
 

hanimmal

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I've see the wall of past posts, but I don't see your point at all. I operate from memory and don't spend an hour searching others posts and I assume it is some attempt to prosecute me for something? He was posting about it from other sources before Musk picked up on it, then later Trump did. I even posted a similar article that outlined the detailed chronology of events. I was trying to discuss the science and research for a spell until it became too politicized.

Trump had his morons drinking Clorox too, whose fault was that?
Basically just stuff that I have told you before.

That you should stop and think about why you are seeing that cult doctor's video on the day it was put out and felt the need to share it here bringing up the 'credibility' of bullshit that is being used as propaganda a couple days later by Trump. And that you still were posting it months into the disinformation campaign.

I find you reach for this nothingness when you get desperate and have tried to gaslight me with it several times whenever you get pissed or in a corner. Some humorous cartoons posted from American cartoonist to lighten things up became "panic memes" as you cherry picked the thread inspector :lol: You must have a pretty low opinion of people if you think a cartoon over the spring toilet paper shortage was a "panic meme". I spent the last while meditating, you are still carrying something on yer back.:lol:
By nothingness do you mean double checking when you started posting propaganda and noticing how well it links with Trump using it to further amplify to his cult?
 

DIY-HP-LED

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Basically just stuff that I have told you before.

That you should stop and think about why you are seeing that cult doctor's video on the day it was put out and felt the need to share it here bringing up the 'credibility' of bullshit that is being used as propaganda a couple days later by Trump. And that you still were posting it months into the disinformation campaign.


By nothingness do you mean double checking when you started posting propaganda and noticing how well it links with Trump using it to further amplify to his cult?
Ok last post on this topic, he was talking the science and then the loonies found out, perhaps through him, then Donald found out. Should he have stopped talking the science and medicine because Trump politicized it? Should research have stopped at the one very bad study from France that he touted? The only previous work and where this came from was China and Korea and that was incomplete because NPI's knocked down infections so quickly. That was the original source from back in January and that's what doctors were working off of until something better came along because their was a good theoretical basis for its potential efficacy. When the gold standard studies came in nobody used it and in fact spoke out against it, including myself here on several occasions.

Until that happened many rigorous studies showed efficacy long after I give up on it, but I never posted them here. I did PM one to foggy to illustrate the ongoing work by serious scientists, but it was not a causation study and I don't post much that's not, if it's covid related because it's such a hot button topic and is well covered these days. The HCQ fish tank cleaner and then the Clorox poisonings kinda took the fun out of it. BTW I did know that HCQ was used as fish tank cleaner early on, but I never posted anything about it. As far as I was concerned at the time it was available by prescription only from your doctor, but after Donald's fiasco I was strictly following the studies and then not so much as the controversy increased, only peer reviewed and double blinded causation studies when they became available.

The use of steroids to treat the secondary effects and dramatically improve mortality rates came into wide usage without much scientific backing by research, just observational data. Only later did proper studies confirm this, but it was in wide spread usage before then in hospitals along with blood thinners. Sometimes it works out, but it's how doctors operate when they are up against mass death, medicine isn't as pretty or as neat as science, even though it is science.
 

hanimmal

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Ok last post on this topic, he was talking the science and then the loonies found out, perhaps through him, then Donald found out. Should he have stopped talking the science and medicine because Trump politicized it? Should research have stopped at the one very bad study from France that he touted? The only previous work and where this came from was China and Korea and that was incomplete because NPI's knocked down infections so quickly. That was the original source from back in January and that's what doctors were working off of until something better came along because their was a good theoretical basis for its potential efficacy. When the gold standard studies came in nobody used it and in fact spoke out against it, including myself here on several occasions.

Until that happened many rigorous studies showed efficacy long after I give up on it, but I never posted them here. I did PM one to foggy to illustrate the ongoing work by serious scientists, but it was not a causation study and I don't post much that's not, if it's covid related because it's such a hot button topic and is well covered these days. The HCQ fish tank cleaner and then the Clorox poisonings kinda took the fun out of it. BTW I did know that HCQ was used as fish tank cleaner early on, but I never posted anything about it. As far as I was concerned at the time it was available by prescription only from your doctor, but after Donald's fiasco I was strictly following the studies and then not so much as the controversy increased, only peer reviewed and double blinded causation studies when they became available.

The use of steroids to treat the secondary effects and dramatically improve mortality rates came into wide usage without much scientific backing by research, just observational data. Only later did proper studies confirm this, but it was in wide spread usage before then in hospitals along with blood thinners. Sometimes it works out, but it's how doctors operate when they are up against mass death, medicine isn't as pretty or as neat as science, even though it is science.
 

hanimmal

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https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/russia-hasnt-just-hacked-our-computer-systems-its-hacked-our-minds/2020/12/17/7ddd72a8-40a7-11eb-8bc0-ae155bee4aff_story.htmlScreen Shot 2020-12-18 at 6.44.15 AM.png
The more we learn about the recent hack into dozens of America’s most critical computer networks — widely attributed to Russia — the more it becomes clear that it is massive, unprecedented and crippling. Tom Bossert, who served as homeland security adviser to President Trump, writes, “It will take years to know for certain which networks the Russians control and which ones they just occupy.” (We do know they successfully penetrated the Department of Homeland Security’s systems as well as those of Treasury, Commerce and others.) Stanford’s Alex Stamos describes it as “one of the most important hacking campaigns in history.” The New York Times’ David E. Sanger, who has written several books on cyberweapons, co-wrote an article calling the breach “among the greatest intelligence failures of modern times.”

Vladimir Putin’s Russia has significantly expanded its hybrid warfare, using new methods to spread chaos among its adversaries. The United States will have to fortify its digital infrastructure and respond more robustly to the Kremlin’s mounting cyberattacks. But what about the perhaps more insidious Russian efforts at disinformation, which have helped to reshape the information environment worldwide?

In 2016, two scholars at Rand Corp. wrote a paper describing Russia’s “firehose of falsehood” propaganda model. Very different from Cold War-era propaganda, current Russian approaches work with prevailing technologies and social media platforms. There are two key features — “high numbers of channels and messages and a shameless willingness to disseminate partial truths or outright fictions.” There is no effort at consistency or credibility. The report quotes one analyst: “New Russian propaganda entertains, confuses and overwhelms the audience.”

Russia’s method closely resembles Trump’s own propaganda strategy. Trump issues a blizzard of messages, using every medium he can find. He is usually untruthful but always entertaining. He never worries about consistency, asking only that you remember his most recent claims. When campaigning in 2016 he argued that the unemployment rate was a hoax, that the Federal Reserve was keeping interest rates dangerously low and that the stock market was a bubble about to burst. Once he entered the White House, he soon said the opposite about all three. If you bombard people in the present, few have time to dwell on the past.

Wittingly or unwittingly, Trump uses the Russian model, which rests on the principle that people get convinced when they hear the same message many times from a variety of sources, no matter how biased. He adds to this an intuitive understanding of how social media works. If you make a claim that is truly outrageous, it will attract attention and eyeballs, spread far and wide, and ensure that people hear it repeatedly — and over time begin to believe it. A boring truth dies on Twitter, while a sensational lie goes viral and (most disturbingly) over time become a half-truth. (I recently experienced this myself. A commentary of mine was edited so that I seemed to be saying close to the opposite of what I actually was, which then ensured that it was widely disseminated.)

Trump has set a new standard because he simply does not view the truth as a constraint. A principled conservative would explain that Republicans do not have a replacement for Obamacare because they don’t believe the federal government should be required to guarantee health care as a right. Trump’s method is easier — he simply asserts that he has a plan, even better than Obamacare. Trump has announced he will veto the defense appropriations bill, apparently because it removes Confederate names from bases and does not repeal Section 230, a rule about social media companies. But he decided it would be simpler to claim that “THE BIGGEST WINNER OF OUR NEW DEFENSE BILL IS CHINA.” There is no conceivable sense in which this is factual — the bill actually would create a formal deterrence initiative against Chinese expansionism. But Trump understands that a sensational lie is far more effective than a complicated truth.

The pandemic might have accelerated these trends toward disinformation. Socially isolated, cut off from most communities, Americans seem even more susceptible to theories that confirm their partisan beliefs. The most startling fact about 2020 is not that Trump tried to overturn the results of the election. Many of us predicted he would try. What is stunning is that, according to the polls, 60 million Americans believe his assertions and the series of lies that sustain them. The problem is not just that Russia has hacked America’s computer systems. It seems to have hacked our minds.
 

hanimmal

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Im repeating the constant russia response you have with zero reciepts..yet again. That didnt happen. You have nothing on orange man..so you make it up. We seen it for years.
What 'receipts' do you want?


Individual 1 has plenty of them. What you have seen is Trump's trolls like Barr/Whitaker/Sessions continual blocking for Trump to be able to lie to us all. If you truly believe what you say (assuming you are not another in the endless line of sock puppet Trump trolls), it is only because you let yourself get stuck in a information bubble and never scratched the surface of the reports showing what Trump and his goons all did to work with the Russian military during the 2016 election.
 

hanimmal

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We are only getting half of whats going on. Politics has been crazy for years and this last 5 yrs has been the craziest. Its all coming to surface the corruption. And they are panicking. The compromised are throwing tantrums because orange man is coming after them. They are blatenly doing it right in our faces. Your are either uneducated on it, blind or stupid to play along.
It is funny, this is the first post I actually agree with you on. It is because you are under a propaganda attack and are so busy trolling for Dear Leader that you don't realize that it is the Orange man that is fucked.

Because he broke our laws and tricked his cultists into believing his lies. Once he no longer gets to claim POTUS, it all gets to come out.
 

hanimmal

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31:40 they talk about the hack on our government by the Russian military.
@43:40 Haley Jackson nails it on the information bubbles that are in place and how it leads to 2 different realities.
 

hanimmal

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Mi

I spent 28 years helping people and learned from the inside what is happening, planned and


You sure are Funny. Liberal and conservative fan boys are all alike. Zero facts or arguing points just insults and bullshit backed by angry comments. When I get your kind of comment it usually means I am right.

Thank you.
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Or proves how little you understand about the attack on our nation that Trump is conducting/allowing to be conducted on our citizens.


As if one would have links to legal documents. run along sport. Wow.
Huh? You know that you can get a lot of that online, or are you trying to be sarcastic?

Hint, your anger monkey ( light bulb) is a troll and leaves zero opportunity for anyone to actually discuss outside his opinion. For the most part no one could prove half the dribble he spouts/ repeats. So when someone shows up saying or acting like a victim Dippy cant resist.

This means this is a cheerleading club full of yess boys for LightBulb ( DIY HP LED). No discussion, just following whatever lightbulb says. .
Oh so maybe you do understand the attack.

Yet you still choose to engage. Why?
 

hanimmal

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@6 minutes the whistle blower from Cambridge Analytica talks about the way they use data analysis to pinpoint voting information (a bit, dogs are now barking and I can't actually hear it anymore).


https://www.rollitup.org/t/ap-cyborgs-trolls-and-bots-a-guide-to-online-misinformation.1005699/post-15310450

Around 16:30 She gets into the real problem that the attack on our citizens are experiencing.

But basically I was going to say how using this type of data manipulation it would be possible to 'tease' out crazy/vulnerable people too. And once people who would be most vulnerable to radicalization, (like say no family/freinds and a lot of exposure to computers and online chat), a bad actor (like the Russian military/White nationalists/evangelicals) can start following those people around with their militarized trolls and form every conversation that person has online relatively easily.

Literally birthing the 'devil whispering in their ear' into actual existence. Nothing supernatural about it. But super shitty.
 

hanimmal

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Ok @Frankly Dankly You said you wanted me to be real with you.

Here you go, we are both Americans and Michigan'ders. We should at least be able to agree with the importance of not allowing a foreign military to actively attack our citizens.

Are you ok with the shown continual attack on our citizens by the Russian military?

Feel free to check my work through this and/or any other thread I have made. Anything that you think you disagree with, let me know. I am in on looking it over again and listening/having the conversation. Because until then it will be hard to actually have a fact based conversation.

It is really step one.
 

Frankly Dankly

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Ok @Frankly Dankly You said you wanted me to be real with you.

Here you go, we are both Americans and Michigan'ders. We should at least be able to agree with the importance of not allowing a foreign military to actively attack our citizens.

Are you ok with the shown continual attack on our citizens by the Russian military?

Feel free to check my work through this and/or any other thread I have made. Anything that you think you disagree with, let me know. I am in on looking it over again and listening/having the conversation. Because until then it will be hard to actually have a fact based conversation.

It is really step one.
You really shouldn’t have done this under the guise of being real. I went back and checked your work so to speak. It shows you posted two dog pictures...these were your only non political section posts. You accused me of being a paid troll more than once, but you’re on a weed forum and not posting anything on weed. Ten pages worth of topics you’ve posted on or originated...all partisan political bullshit. You tell me to look at your bullshit wapo article as if it carries any real weight, but I took a gander, and what I saw were tactics you use listed under common russian troll tactics. You done fucked up by leaving out an answer to my question about you growing, because you don’t, and if you don’t grow then why are you here...to sew discord on a goddamn weed forum. To the ignore list with you.
 

Fogdog

Well-Known Member
Ok @Frankly Dankly You said you wanted me to be real with you.

Here you go, we are both Americans and Michigan'ders. We should at least be able to agree with the importance of not allowing a foreign military to actively attack our citizens.

Are you ok with the shown continual attack on our citizens by the Russian military?

Feel free to check my work through this and/or any other thread I have made. Anything that you think you disagree with, let me know. I am in on looking it over again and listening/having the conversation. Because until then it will be hard to actually have a fact based conversation.

It is really step one.
From the shithead's post before this one, he's here to troll.

I wonder what the terms of use say about obvious trolling as a reason for a ban?
 

hanimmal

Well-Known Member
You really shouldn’t have done this under the guise of being real. I went back and checked your work so to speak. It shows you posted two dog pictures...these were your only non political section posts. You accused me of being a paid troll more than once, but you’re on a weed forum and not posting anything on weed. Ten pages worth of topics you’ve posted on or originated...all partisan political bullshit. You tell me to look at your bullshit wapo article as if it carries any real weight, but I took a gander, and what I saw were tactics you use listed under common russian troll tactics. You done fucked up by leaving out an answer to my question about you growing, because you don’t, and if you don’t grow then why are you here...to sew discord on a goddamn weed forum. To the ignore list with you.
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Sure thing troll.

Nothing about the fact that this starts out with links to the actual Republican led Bi partisan senate intel report on the very real attack being conducted on our nation by the Russian military?

I noticed you didn't even answer the very easy question.
Are you ok with the shown continual attack on our citizens by the Russian military?
 
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