Additional CFL Forum
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Humboldt
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Gygax,
Looks to me you have lots to learn about cfl's and why people use them, maybe you should do a bit more reading, obviously the cfl doesn't match up to the hid/hps but they damn sure work!
The forum would not be for people such as yourself, however you'd probably learn a thing or two if visited often..
Thanks to all that supports this idea for a cfl forum!
Looks to me you have lots to learn about cfl's and why people use them, maybe you should do a bit more reading, obviously the cfl doesn't match up to the hid/hps but they damn sure work!
The forum would not be for people such as yourself, however you'd probably learn a thing or two if visited often..
Thanks to all that supports this idea for a cfl forum!
Gygax1974
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I repeat I use CFLs but why a seperate forum? Why not one on light. I have over 1000 watts of cfls, they are used for clones, Short veg SOG grows and when I have heat issues. I just see no need for another forum. Why not a forum on lighting in general.
And I do know from experience that they are not even close, the flat out underperform in the flower room.
I am all for a general lighting forum but see no need for a CFL forum.
I guess what I'm getting at is why a whole section dedicated to CFLs, what is there that it would benefit. How would it differ from a general lighting forum. CFLs are just lights just like all the other lights.
And I do know from experience that they are not even close, the flat out underperform in the flower room.
I am all for a general lighting forum but see no need for a CFL forum.
I guess what I'm getting at is why a whole section dedicated to CFLs, what is there that it would benefit. How would it differ from a general lighting forum. CFLs are just lights just like all the other lights.
t0k3s
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well say you decided to do a stealth grow with only 2 feet of height and say like 12 inches width and depth. how would you fit a HPS/MH for and entire grow. The average HPS/MH light is about 1ft+ on width and about 10 inches high depending what type of light fixture it is. A CFL laying horizontal takes up like what 2-3 inches width and thickness and 5-7 inches of length. I mean yea off course hps can outgrow them it can outgrow MH too but its not always the practical source of light. Also seeing as how CFL/FL come in different spectrums they could be a practical source of light for a low budget grow from start to finish. A couple of 125watt CFL's and i don't mean the ones equal to 125w would be sufficient.They put out about 8,000 lumens per bulb so if you had 4 bulbs thats 32,000 lumens and 500w of light penetration. That is around the same specs of a 150w hps. so tell me what negative effects do they have besides that they are made of mercury, and dont have as high of a penetration rate as the hps and MH.
t0k3s
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i agree on the part of a general lighting section it would make more sense. But no not all lights are the same. They all work in different ways to get the desired effect.When you say 1000w you probably are talking about the 25-40w CFL that are the same as 100 watters or w/e. but if you buy actual 100+ watt CFL's then they do produce good results.
Gygax1974
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My point is why a forum section on CFLs? Why not a forum on just lights. I understand why people use them and once again I use them. I actually use one of those 125 watt CFLs for my clones, it works for them and for SOGs where I don't need monster plants. Also they are great in heat, the come in blue and red and some other spectrums just like all grow lights. And low budget, I spent somewhere around 60.00 USD on my 125 watt CFL light bulb. You have 2, so I would say you spent roughly 120.00 give or take, I can get a 400 watt HID cheaper, a 250 watt hid cheaper, etc. And you're still putting 250 watts of power on a electric bill every month just like a 250 watt HID. So they are good for heat and stealth and cramped growing areas do we need a whole section on just that? Once again I would like to see a general lighting section but one for CFLs only is silly, we don't have a section on HIDs and I see more of a need for that then for CFLs. Seriously what makes a CFL so special that it needs its own section? Why wouldn't it fit into a general lighting section? Like I said they are good for heat, stealth, and cramped positions, also for budget minded people (even though I don't totally agree) and I think thats great. Once again I have over 1000 watts of CFLs so I must like them for something right, I just see no point for a whole section on them. Plug them in and get the distance down and what else is there to know about them? Really?well say you decided to do a stealth grow with only 2 feet of height and say like 12 inches width and depth. how would you fit a HPS/MH for and entire grow. The average HPS/MH light is about 1ft+ on width and about 10 inches high depending what type of light fixture it is. A CFL laying horizontal takes up like what 2-3 inches width and thickness and 5-7 inches of length. I mean yea off course hps can outgrow them it can outgrow MH too but its not always the practical source of light. Also seeing as how CFL/FL come in different spectrums they could be a practical source of light for a low budget grow from start to finish. A couple of 125watt CFL's and i don't mean the ones equal to 125w would be sufficient.They put out about 8,000 lumens per bulb so if you had 4 bulbs thats 32,000 lumens and 500w of light penetration. That is around the same specs of a 150w hps. so tell me what negative effects do they have besides that they are made of mercury, and dont have as high of a penetration rate as the hps and MH.
And when I say they don't even compare to HIDs in the flower room, I mean flowering plants, the bud is fluffier then a HIDs would be thats my only real complaint with CFLs in a full grow from start to finish. And just so everyone doesn't think I'm a CFL hater I've attached some pics I have with CFLs in them.
Also when I say all lights are the same I mean that lumens are lumens, light spectrum is the same for all light etc. Now I see more of a need for a HID forum then a CFL forum and we don't have that. HIDs are more complicated i.e. how far away do you put them, how do you control the heat, etc. But that would be counterproductive too. A general lighting forum would be fine. CFLs really aren't that hard to figure out, but understanding lighting in general can be difficult for some, it's definitely more important though than a CFL forum. How many people really know anything about the light spectrum, what is a lumen, how many watts per sq. ft. etc etc
IMHO we need a general lighting section it would definitely be more beneficial than to create a CFL forum only.
And sorry for the ramble I just made a visit to Dr. Stinky...yay.
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Gygax1974
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thats cool me either...lol.
I just don't think they are as budget oriented as people think that's all. And they lose their power quickly. And I was also saying that I could get a HID a 400watt or a 250 for the same price as 2 125 watt CFLs. Of course the electric bill is going to be cheaper but how much really thats all I'm saying.
Humboldt
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CFL's are not all that bad for slightly larger grows either, that is if you have enough of them..
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DOT5262
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i think instead of distinguishing between diffrent light systems we should make a sub forum to indoor growing... make it cabinet/closet grows so that every one in the forum will be working with the same small space constraints... most will use cfls but it will be intresting to see how some people would use mh/hps in a small space.... and still delt with heat/plant size...... if we do light systems soon we will have Hps section .. then mh... cfl... floro....t5....led... all this other crap which will just seperate ideas/conversation
buster7467
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That and the main reason i would like to see a cfl forum is because i hate to even post a question on any thread because the first response you are likely to get is a smart ass comment from someone saying just get HID. Maybe that is not the road that i want to take at the moment. It is cheaper to start off with cfl's and just add to them when needed. And the only reason that i even use them is because the area that i have to use for a grow room is not big enough for the MH lights. I dont want to go all in to putting vents and extra fans just to get rid of the heat. That and this is the first grow that i have tried and i dont even know if it is something that i will continue to do in the future. I hope i am still doing this in the future but you never know. Believe me if i had the room to justify getting 1000watt lights and co2 stuff i would but i cant, just not enough room. I say give us cfl growers a forum and it will make life easier for everyone because you will not see any more questions about them in the other forums. And you will not have to feel like you just have to make a smart ass comment to someone that is just looking for some help. Peace Out.
dont take it personally... fdd thinks we are talking about the canadian football league...
ivebeencanceled
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What are you guys talking about?dont take it personally... fdd thinks we are talking about the canadian football league...
huh...huh!
Canadian Football right?
DOT5262
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the problem with dividing it into CFl/other catagorys is when you get to much seperation it discourages people from going into sections they arnt framiliar with... personally i'd rather have my first responce be a smartass one.. then get help.. rather then getting little to no responces at all...and yea... hps/mh are cheaper/more effective... so its not really a smart ass comment.. its a good opinion... the only reason one should use cfls if they dont have the space.
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