The Cryptkeeper
Well-Known Member
Now. WTF does THIS have to do with Japan??
Japan:
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UncleBuck
Well-Known Member
portland is hours from the coast, genius.
how in the hell would a tsunami get over the cascade range?
you are mad as a hatter. judging by your subsequent posts, to which i will respond, you are clearly suffering some sort of mental issue.
i say that in all seriousness, no mockery intended.
DelSlow
Well-Known Member
I will admit, the guy who shows up once in a while and is convinced he is Jesus Christ has a mental defect. I don't think you can put Oregon in that category, though.
The Cryptkeeper
Well-Known Member
I am Jesus Christ. I have arrived again on this Day of Judgment. Prepare yourselves.
OregonMeds
Well-Known Member
The columbia and willamette river run right through this area and straight to the coast, as well as many tributaries all over the place out here. Water always follows the path of least resistance, and no mountain range is a solid brick wall. If there is a big earthquake expect a big tsumani, then you can guess it's path and where NOT to go...
As silly as I admit the idea of prophecy still seems, The Hopi indians did say to build homes in the mountains to survive. If nothing else it's common sense that any earthquake should make people run for the hills in a place like this where rivers run all over the place and out to sea.
Here is an elevation list (feet above sea level) of my local areas, see how low we are?
Aloha218 <--- where I have seen the tape on mailboxes
Columbia Gorge/I-84 25
Beaverton190 <--- where I have seen the tape on mailboxes
Cooper Mtn750
Capitol Hwy/I-5 600
Corbett700
Cooper Mtn.750
Damascus550
Cornelius Pass600
Estacada500
Forest Grove180 <--- where I have seen the tape on mailboxes
Gateway250
Hillsboro150 <--- where I have seen the tape on mailboxes
Gresham350
Molalla400
Historic Columbia Hwy900
Newberg180
Mt. Scott1050
North Plains200
Mt. Tabor600
Skyline/Burnside950
Rocky Butte450
Sylvan/US 26 780
Oregon City300
Tigard166
Sandy1000
West Linn/Rosemont650
Troutdale200
Wilsonville200
If I had a drivers license still, I'd go around and see how many places and at what elevation are marked with tape or if it's only the lowest elevations like where I am.
As silly as I admit the idea of prophecy still seems, The Hopi indians did say to build homes in the mountains to survive. If nothing else it's common sense that any earthquake should make people run for the hills in a place like this where rivers run all over the place and out to sea.
Here is an elevation list (feet above sea level) of my local areas, see how low we are?
Aloha218 <--- where I have seen the tape on mailboxes
Columbia Gorge/I-84 25
Beaverton190 <--- where I have seen the tape on mailboxes
Cooper Mtn750
Capitol Hwy/I-5 600
Corbett700
Cooper Mtn.750
Damascus550
Cornelius Pass600
Estacada500
Forest Grove180 <--- where I have seen the tape on mailboxes
Gateway250
Hillsboro150 <--- where I have seen the tape on mailboxes
Gresham350
Molalla400
Historic Columbia Hwy900
Newberg180
Mt. Scott1050
North Plains200
Mt. Tabor600
Skyline/Burnside950
Rocky Butte450
Sylvan/US 26 780
Oregon City300
Tigard166
Sandy1000
West Linn/Rosemont650
Troutdale200
Wilsonville200
If I had a drivers license still, I'd go around and see how many places and at what elevation are marked with tape or if it's only the lowest elevations like where I am.
DelSlow
Well-Known Member
Ah, so you're back again, eh?
UncleBuck
Well-Known Member
wow, just wow
these are the ramblings of someone with a mental problem, personality disorder, schizophrenia....something.
what color is the sticker on your mailbox?
it would suck if THEY put the same color sticker on my mailbox (once THEY get around to it, of course).
UncleBuck
Well-Known Member
i am dead serious: you are delusional. you have some sort of mental disorder. no one is coming for you. you may have substance abuse issues, mental health issues, i don't know.
but you need some serious help. i can point to several clinics in the area.
The Cryptkeeper
Well-Known Member
“They who?”
“They. I don't know. That's why they call them they... And them.....”
“They. I don't know. That's why they call them they... And them.....”
UncleBuck
Well-Known Member
exactly.
and rather than listen to me or anyone else for that matter, oregonmeds will simply consider me to be one of "them". or an agent of disinformation.
OregonMeds
Well-Known Member
UncleBuck (love that movie)
I'm an honorably discharged Army Infantry and Radioman with 6 years under my belt. No I was not in a war and no PTSD. My mailbox had blue and white, then it went to red and a black stripe of electrical tape was placed over the center part of the the white. The only drug I did regularly was pot and I admit I smoked shitloads but that's been months ago. Some weekends I would drink, months ago, but not bad and because of my dui I haven't been able to drink or smoke or anything since January.
No hallucinogens, no meth, nothing else and I do mean nothing. No mental problems or history of them ever. Good house, nice life, Microsoft and Novell certified network engineer, ok looking guy enough that I can get dates etc. I am not some lonely depressed shut in, failure, reject, or whatever if that's what you are thinking.
I take to the time to research everything and read every news source or internet source I can find for clues to what's actually going on, and never said I know for sure what's going on yet, other than something big clearly is. I hate referring to prophecies but it's just so weird how they do seem to correspond to what is actually appearing to have and continue to be happening I can't resist. I know it sounds crazy, I don't blame you one bit. And again let me say the only things I am sure of is actual government documents and buildings, that National Guard commercial is real, senate bills are real, I have actually read the source of them and any of you could....
Much of this other stuff is rumor and speculation and yes I hate to admit prophecies too but it's sure eerie how it all adds up. You don't have to believe anything at all other than actual facts you can check yourself. Something's not right in our country with our relation to the middle east, with our entire foreign policy, with the wolfowitz doctrine, with our relationship with the UN, China and Russia and everyone else. It's as if we're just begging for WW3. The wolfowitz doctrine which is still the basis for our foreign policy insists that we keep other countries down and do whatever it takes to ensure nobody can ever challenge us as a superpower again. That means forcibly keeping the entire rest of the world under our big dumb thumb even russia it would seem.
You can't have a foreign policy like we have and not expect to be enemy number one of the entire rest of the world, unless you have the rest of the world under your control, and presently we have 4 countries we are militarily squishing under ours. Japan, Afghanistan, Iraq, and now Libya, apart from how we pressure and control and spy on the UN.
If you wanted to make a perfect recipe for WW3, all you would need to do is follow our example.
We have spent trillions of dollars to kill hundreds of thousands of people all over the world in the last 10 years, supposedly in the interests of freeing them from evil dictators who killed less people than we have since we kicked the evil dictators out. All while we are supposedly so broke the government is going to shut down any second, and while russia and china and India and oh yea lets not forget Iran and N korea all ramp up militarily you can check their spending on military hardware and new projects online just as you could ours.
If all that isn't clear to you, that someting is seriously wrong and Japan is just a part of it, then I don't know any better way to explain it.
I'm an honorably discharged Army Infantry and Radioman with 6 years under my belt. No I was not in a war and no PTSD. My mailbox had blue and white, then it went to red and a black stripe of electrical tape was placed over the center part of the the white. The only drug I did regularly was pot and I admit I smoked shitloads but that's been months ago. Some weekends I would drink, months ago, but not bad and because of my dui I haven't been able to drink or smoke or anything since January.
No hallucinogens, no meth, nothing else and I do mean nothing. No mental problems or history of them ever. Good house, nice life, Microsoft and Novell certified network engineer, ok looking guy enough that I can get dates etc. I am not some lonely depressed shut in, failure, reject, or whatever if that's what you are thinking.
I take to the time to research everything and read every news source or internet source I can find for clues to what's actually going on, and never said I know for sure what's going on yet, other than something big clearly is. I hate referring to prophecies but it's just so weird how they do seem to correspond to what is actually appearing to have and continue to be happening I can't resist. I know it sounds crazy, I don't blame you one bit. And again let me say the only things I am sure of is actual government documents and buildings, that National Guard commercial is real, senate bills are real, I have actually read the source of them and any of you could....
Much of this other stuff is rumor and speculation and yes I hate to admit prophecies too but it's sure eerie how it all adds up. You don't have to believe anything at all other than actual facts you can check yourself. Something's not right in our country with our relation to the middle east, with our entire foreign policy, with the wolfowitz doctrine, with our relationship with the UN, China and Russia and everyone else. It's as if we're just begging for WW3. The wolfowitz doctrine which is still the basis for our foreign policy insists that we keep other countries down and do whatever it takes to ensure nobody can ever challenge us as a superpower again. That means forcibly keeping the entire rest of the world under our big dumb thumb even russia it would seem.
You can't have a foreign policy like we have and not expect to be enemy number one of the entire rest of the world, unless you have the rest of the world under your control, and presently we have 4 countries we are militarily squishing under ours. Japan, Afghanistan, Iraq, and now Libya, apart from how we pressure and control and spy on the UN.
If you wanted to make a perfect recipe for WW3, all you would need to do is follow our example.
We have spent trillions of dollars to kill hundreds of thousands of people all over the world in the last 10 years, supposedly in the interests of freeing them from evil dictators who killed less people than we have since we kicked the evil dictators out. All while we are supposedly so broke the government is going to shut down any second, and while russia and china and India and oh yea lets not forget Iran and N korea all ramp up militarily you can check their spending on military hardware and new projects online just as you could ours.
If all that isn't clear to you, that someting is seriously wrong and Japan is just a part of it, then I don't know any better way to explain it.
UncleBuck
Well-Known Member
i was kind of imagining the latter, my bad.
well, thanks i guess for not blaming me. but the content of your posts was just screaming out to me that something was off.
i am aware of the rest...our fucked up foreign policy, i keep an eye on the bills you mentioned, yadda yadda yadda
i guess i just don't see us headed for an apocalypse like you say.
They will be surprised, that much is certain. Every precaution has been taken to ensure it. The mice, they will not see it coming.
I have gone over the plan. Late at night, when the mice were scurrying and squeaking and nibbling, I sat in bed and went over the plan. Checking. Rechecking. Making sure that they would not expect it. That it would take their tiny little rodent brains by complete surprise. That it would guarantee victory—sweet, undeniable victory—over the mice.
Everything has been leading up to this.
The kitchen floor has been waxed. The wooden cabinet, once a safe refuge for the mice, has been rigged. The box of crackers is not a box of crackers at all. No, the box of crackers is something entirely different. Something not so innocent. Something not so benign. The mice, they will pay for their insolence. They will cry out for forgiveness. Their beady little eyes will fill with sorrow and regret. With remorse.
This is why I'll have the video camera there. To capture the remorse.
Some people might say that my plan isn't fair. They might look at the strobe lights, at the spring-loaded steel, at the decoy mouse—fashioned from old dishrags and spray- painted gray—and they might say that my plan goes too far. But then, they do not know what these mice are capable of. They were not there, horrified, when the little tyrants got into the cupboards. When they ate those crackers. My crackers.
Yes, there was a time when the mice had the upper hand. Not so long ago, before my wife, Teresa, stopped speaking to me, before my managers found my blueprints at work, before they said they were going to have to let me go—the mice had the upper hand then. But things are different now. Teresa has left, and in her absence, hundreds of diagrams have been produced. Every last thought worked out on paper. Every waking minute devoted to the great surprise.
Three blind mice. Three blind mice. See how they run. See how they all fucking run.
This is not the first plan, of course. There have been many. There was the plan with the hot wax and the wires. The plan with the firecrackers and the large feral cat. The plan, earlier this week, to get Teresa back, to convince her that the mice had not gotten the best of me, that they were not, in fact, "all I could think about." But each failed. And that, dear friends, is what separates those plans from this one. That and the sheer terror that will run through the mice when they see what I have in store for them.
When they see the mirrors. Carefully arranged to heighten the panic. Perfectly positioned to reflect the horror. The moment of terror duplicated a hundred times over in their surface. The moment of defeat surrounding the mice in each and every direction.†
This will be the moment, after months of anguish, when the mice will realize what their actions have wrought.
Now, there is a chance that my new plan could go awry. I hate to admit it, but yes, that is a possibility. For instance, the audio recording I have made of tiny mouse sounds—cheerful and upbeat mouse sounds, mouse sounds that seem to convey an air of normalcy and in which no sense of approaching danger can be detected—may fail to draw the wily rodents out of their hole. Also, there is a small chance that the bucket of rubber snakes—the mortal enemy of the mouse—will not drop from the kitchen ceiling as intended, will not paralyze the unsuspecting creatures with a mixture of fear and dread.
And, while I hate to give the theory any more credence, there is also the risk that I and not the mice ate those crackers. That I forgot I had eaten them the day before and that there are, in fact, no mice to speak of. That the mice, as some professionals have claimed, are nothing more than an elaborate justification on my part. An invisible rationalization, one intended to cast blame aside, and leave me a guiltless victim of the times.
Or, there's a chance that my therapist has been infiltrated by the mice and is now operating on their side. Yes, that's it. Dr. Bernard has been compromised.
fabfun
New Member
ok hey fuck the man
but who wants to stop by a newbies thread and say hell yes
he needs some encouragement the conspiracy will be here when u get back and i would appreciate it
there i asked nice
https://www.rollitup.org/indoor-growing/411362-1st-real-grow-deisel-ryder-5.html
but who wants to stop by a newbies thread and say hell yes
he needs some encouragement the conspiracy will be here when u get back and i would appreciate it
there i asked nice
https://www.rollitup.org/indoor-growing/411362-1st-real-grow-deisel-ryder-5.html
OregonMeds
Well-Known Member
Cool. I posted in his thread.
No no, watch what you say, you don't want to end up on a list if I'm right...We have to find a non volent way out of this or we'll just fall into their trap of depopulation and martial law.
We also have to avoid protests, or be very careful about it because they'll end up like this:
[youtube]G63FEamhpA0[/youtube]
[youtube]TbL-OVk5eEg[/youtube]
Protests seem pointless, we have no rights and if you are caught in a protest you loose even more. In oregon you loose the right to drive if you are caught in a protest that doesn't have a permit or are accused of trespassing or vandalism or anything. All kinds of things are tied to loosing your right to drive these days I only found that out when I had to go get a new ID recently.
I can't find the protest where three police were caught red handed trying to pose as protestors and throw rocks at the police so that the police can then forcibly stop the protest, but you get the idea. Some of them will try anything including vandalism or burning their own cars, or whatever it takes to acheive their goal. It's their job...
It's become a crime to even photograph the police in action in this country, you can see it on youtube.
Maybe just a nationwide sit in, where we all stop working and get all our neighbors to stay at home and make sure our loved ones and neighbors stay safe, and watch over our own neighborhoods and help feed and care for eachother and educate people who aren't in the know yet? Not sure what to do... But not a civil war...Or anything of the sort where the government could justifyably start killing people.
We are the people and the workforce that makes this country possible, and our spending and shopping make it possible, our taxes make it possible. If we just stay at home en mass, everyone, and shut the whole thing down for as long as it takes to force regime change, maybe that would work to break out of this matrix we are stuck in.
I forgot to mention how we undermined our press, or are still allowing huge corporations to merge with others and become even more powerful and dictatorial over ourselves and other countries.
I also forgot to mention that the countries we didn't directly invade or use the US to "help" with milatary on site or weather wars we covertly undermined their economies with the IMF and World Bank, free trade fine print, and crashing the stock market. Plus allowing the stock market to continue to operate somewhat profitably by basing most of the recovery on food and fuel speculation, even though that directly causes people to starve all across the whole world and causes great political instability everywhere, part of the fuel that has driven worldwide regime change. Then we use the regime change of leaders we didn't have control over to put their militaries in charge which we control, or a puppet of the US/UN which we control, or if that's not enough slow the countries to a stall and cause a stalemate in their internal struggles/civil wars so they're endlessly bogged down in war. And it goes on and on...
And of course we didn't fix the stock market problems, busted nobody for insider trading, but now blame the unions and state workers salaries for our problems, and one by one are in the process of creating state dictatorships like wisconsin and their emergency powers or setting up for federal martial law at the drop of a hat especially if bailouts and budgets aren't passed through congress and the senate.
I think most countries would rather we default on our debt and do a complete about face to avoid ww3, but clearly we aren't.
Huge huge problems, all can only lead to much much worse... It doesn't hurt anyone to be prepared for the worst even if I do sound like chicken little and turn out to be wrong. I also wonder who we owe the 14 trillion to... I think it was just made up out of thin air because china hates us and refused to loan us anything quite a while ago and nobody else had that kind of money.
And today on CNN they're doing stories about baby penguin and raccoon, and something else so dumb I forgot it already. A giggling baby and the royal wedding and the reporters are all smiles.
Anyone who's not in support of this government which is probably over 50% needs to educate the others and try to pull something like that home sit in off, and force a change in laws and regime. Not just house and senate, nor just the whole white house, but judicial and military and deprogram policemen, even some of the firemen have been militarized, the DHS, the TSA, NSA, CIA, FBI, corporate heads, stock market leadership, the whole system has to be cleared and revamped looking for anyone who doesn't have a record of working in the best interests of this country and the people. Then we have to go though and deprogram all those that have been mislead and filled with propaganda that's led us the wrong way, including whoever has the wrong attitude about turning this country around. It really does seem like so many people are filled with hate and predjudice etc, that it's a form of brainwashing of it's own, that is if many were not outright directly brainwashed by secret mkultra type stuff or chipped or just our skewed media and information wars and horrible values system.
The worst thing in the world would be the military in charge... Or any type of conflict whatsoever. You'd be suprised at how many people actually think this country needs to be depopulated heavily, it's no joke there's seriously bad misinformation being spread about.
We have all the space needed and technology needed to support the population we have within our own borders, growing enough food to go around... Nothing has been done to put a single effort towards producing all the food we could in city and urban environments or regreen the whole country to combat co2. You may not have seen legislation to tax us for breathing but that's pretty much what carbon credits are and the whole international system of carbon legislation. If we truly had a co2 problem it would be easily affected by greening up all non green space everywhere.
Say for example:
We aren't doing anyting like this because we are under bank and corporate control and it's not profitable it would seem. 14 trillion dollars and all the people working to look for terrorists, and grope you at the airport, and fight wars in other countries, and wars on drugs, etc could have done all this and much more in every city easily.
And who knows better how to grow things than folks like us? co2 problem solved...No problem...
This also reduces global warming just by natural cooling effect, using the sunlight instead of reflecting it and heating up all the cities like bare concrete and buildings do.
There is no excuse to be doing all we are doing other than money and keeping this type of economy going, but we don't need this type of economy any longer. Rich people don't need to earn another dime they're plenty rich already. There is no reason we all have to even work 40 hours a week anymore if you streamlined everything, and cut out all the waste and reduced the cost of living and took out profiting on the misfortune of others or jailing non violent people etc.
And get rid of all the laws where we don't even own our own property. Where we have to work just to pay property tax and sales tax, pay for the water we drink or the electricity we use, especially if we had used a good portion of that 14 trillion to go renewable. Even those that already have their homes paid for can't just really retire and grow their own food and live off the land ever the way the economy has inflation built in and all these extra costs. We could grant everyone the homes they live in, the businesses they run, the land they're on now, the apartments they're in now, etc, and completely split from the whole old system. Then watch the attitude and metal state of everyone in the nation rise. Productivity, creativity, inventions, everything would skyrocket if people didn't have to work 40 hours a week just to squeak by and try to save all their lives and climb the ladder enough to outpace huge expenses. If everyone didn't have to go to work every single day just to get by, what kind of reduction in co2 and fuel usage would that give? Dependence on foreign oil would be completely wiped out. Traffic congestion would be practically gone. Want to reduce c02, make busses and mass transit free everywhere. People would be so happy and bored most of the time many if not most would want to volunteer just to do menial things like rebuild our infastructure, bridges and roads, regreen forests and parks, and what have you... There's no end to how much better it could be.
I know now I sound like a tree hugger right, and that's a bad thing right?
It's just all wrong, there's no sense in continuing down this path. We could easily get rid of the whole worlds monetary system entirely and simply trade raw materials and finished goods back and forth, work for advancement or to avoid boredom or to enjoy socializing and get that kick we do from helping others, maybe to get extras, but not just to live or to eat or drink or stay warm or for health care...
I doubt one single actor would quit working, one single movie wouldn't be made, one single tv station would go off the air, one less house would be built, or one crane or loader or backhoe or tractor or truck or whatever needed would go unused if it were all for fun and the right reasons. Actors long to act, teachers long to teach, tons of people just love to drive or play with trains or heavy equiptment etc and as people build skills they can work to better jobs than driving a bus or planting trees or lesser things they tire of. It wouldn't have to be thought of a socialism or communism or anything with some evil connotation to change the whole system. A system like that would be nothing like anything any country has actually ever had before. No socialist or communist country ever let their people choose to not work if they didn't want. Or go to school for free or eat drink live have entertainment free.
Why pay for cable or internet or sattelite anyway when it's all propaganda and ads? They would/should be happy to provide all that free if they didn't have to pay for the operation and land and people and materials.
And don't get me started on lobbyists etc, nobody would argue that should never have been possible in a free country by and for the people.
If all people in all nations were given these same opportunites, and not held down or back we'd have no war, no corruption, no more threat of terrorism...No worry about corruption, not a single thing to worry about period.
No no, watch what you say, you don't want to end up on a list if I'm right...We have to find a non volent way out of this or we'll just fall into their trap of depopulation and martial law.
We also have to avoid protests, or be very careful about it because they'll end up like this:
[youtube]G63FEamhpA0[/youtube]
[youtube]TbL-OVk5eEg[/youtube]
Protests seem pointless, we have no rights and if you are caught in a protest you loose even more. In oregon you loose the right to drive if you are caught in a protest that doesn't have a permit or are accused of trespassing or vandalism or anything. All kinds of things are tied to loosing your right to drive these days I only found that out when I had to go get a new ID recently.
I can't find the protest where three police were caught red handed trying to pose as protestors and throw rocks at the police so that the police can then forcibly stop the protest, but you get the idea. Some of them will try anything including vandalism or burning their own cars, or whatever it takes to acheive their goal. It's their job...
It's become a crime to even photograph the police in action in this country, you can see it on youtube.
Maybe just a nationwide sit in, where we all stop working and get all our neighbors to stay at home and make sure our loved ones and neighbors stay safe, and watch over our own neighborhoods and help feed and care for eachother and educate people who aren't in the know yet? Not sure what to do... But not a civil war...Or anything of the sort where the government could justifyably start killing people.
We are the people and the workforce that makes this country possible, and our spending and shopping make it possible, our taxes make it possible. If we just stay at home en mass, everyone, and shut the whole thing down for as long as it takes to force regime change, maybe that would work to break out of this matrix we are stuck in.
I forgot to mention how we undermined our press, or are still allowing huge corporations to merge with others and become even more powerful and dictatorial over ourselves and other countries.
I also forgot to mention that the countries we didn't directly invade or use the US to "help" with milatary on site or weather wars we covertly undermined their economies with the IMF and World Bank, free trade fine print, and crashing the stock market. Plus allowing the stock market to continue to operate somewhat profitably by basing most of the recovery on food and fuel speculation, even though that directly causes people to starve all across the whole world and causes great political instability everywhere, part of the fuel that has driven worldwide regime change. Then we use the regime change of leaders we didn't have control over to put their militaries in charge which we control, or a puppet of the US/UN which we control, or if that's not enough slow the countries to a stall and cause a stalemate in their internal struggles/civil wars so they're endlessly bogged down in war. And it goes on and on...
And of course we didn't fix the stock market problems, busted nobody for insider trading, but now blame the unions and state workers salaries for our problems, and one by one are in the process of creating state dictatorships like wisconsin and their emergency powers or setting up for federal martial law at the drop of a hat especially if bailouts and budgets aren't passed through congress and the senate.
I think most countries would rather we default on our debt and do a complete about face to avoid ww3, but clearly we aren't.
Huge huge problems, all can only lead to much much worse... It doesn't hurt anyone to be prepared for the worst even if I do sound like chicken little and turn out to be wrong. I also wonder who we owe the 14 trillion to... I think it was just made up out of thin air because china hates us and refused to loan us anything quite a while ago and nobody else had that kind of money.
And today on CNN they're doing stories about baby penguin and raccoon, and something else so dumb I forgot it already. A giggling baby and the royal wedding and the reporters are all smiles.
Anyone who's not in support of this government which is probably over 50% needs to educate the others and try to pull something like that home sit in off, and force a change in laws and regime. Not just house and senate, nor just the whole white house, but judicial and military and deprogram policemen, even some of the firemen have been militarized, the DHS, the TSA, NSA, CIA, FBI, corporate heads, stock market leadership, the whole system has to be cleared and revamped looking for anyone who doesn't have a record of working in the best interests of this country and the people. Then we have to go though and deprogram all those that have been mislead and filled with propaganda that's led us the wrong way, including whoever has the wrong attitude about turning this country around. It really does seem like so many people are filled with hate and predjudice etc, that it's a form of brainwashing of it's own, that is if many were not outright directly brainwashed by secret mkultra type stuff or chipped or just our skewed media and information wars and horrible values system.
The worst thing in the world would be the military in charge... Or any type of conflict whatsoever. You'd be suprised at how many people actually think this country needs to be depopulated heavily, it's no joke there's seriously bad misinformation being spread about.
We have all the space needed and technology needed to support the population we have within our own borders, growing enough food to go around... Nothing has been done to put a single effort towards producing all the food we could in city and urban environments or regreen the whole country to combat co2. You may not have seen legislation to tax us for breathing but that's pretty much what carbon credits are and the whole international system of carbon legislation. If we truly had a co2 problem it would be easily affected by greening up all non green space everywhere.
Say for example:
We aren't doing anyting like this because we are under bank and corporate control and it's not profitable it would seem. 14 trillion dollars and all the people working to look for terrorists, and grope you at the airport, and fight wars in other countries, and wars on drugs, etc could have done all this and much more in every city easily.
And who knows better how to grow things than folks like us? co2 problem solved...No problem...
This also reduces global warming just by natural cooling effect, using the sunlight instead of reflecting it and heating up all the cities like bare concrete and buildings do.
There is no excuse to be doing all we are doing other than money and keeping this type of economy going, but we don't need this type of economy any longer. Rich people don't need to earn another dime they're plenty rich already. There is no reason we all have to even work 40 hours a week anymore if you streamlined everything, and cut out all the waste and reduced the cost of living and took out profiting on the misfortune of others or jailing non violent people etc.
And get rid of all the laws where we don't even own our own property. Where we have to work just to pay property tax and sales tax, pay for the water we drink or the electricity we use, especially if we had used a good portion of that 14 trillion to go renewable. Even those that already have their homes paid for can't just really retire and grow their own food and live off the land ever the way the economy has inflation built in and all these extra costs. We could grant everyone the homes they live in, the businesses they run, the land they're on now, the apartments they're in now, etc, and completely split from the whole old system. Then watch the attitude and metal state of everyone in the nation rise. Productivity, creativity, inventions, everything would skyrocket if people didn't have to work 40 hours a week just to squeak by and try to save all their lives and climb the ladder enough to outpace huge expenses. If everyone didn't have to go to work every single day just to get by, what kind of reduction in co2 and fuel usage would that give? Dependence on foreign oil would be completely wiped out. Traffic congestion would be practically gone. Want to reduce c02, make busses and mass transit free everywhere. People would be so happy and bored most of the time many if not most would want to volunteer just to do menial things like rebuild our infastructure, bridges and roads, regreen forests and parks, and what have you... There's no end to how much better it could be.
I know now I sound like a tree hugger right, and that's a bad thing right?
It's just all wrong, there's no sense in continuing down this path. We could easily get rid of the whole worlds monetary system entirely and simply trade raw materials and finished goods back and forth, work for advancement or to avoid boredom or to enjoy socializing and get that kick we do from helping others, maybe to get extras, but not just to live or to eat or drink or stay warm or for health care...
I doubt one single actor would quit working, one single movie wouldn't be made, one single tv station would go off the air, one less house would be built, or one crane or loader or backhoe or tractor or truck or whatever needed would go unused if it were all for fun and the right reasons. Actors long to act, teachers long to teach, tons of people just love to drive or play with trains or heavy equiptment etc and as people build skills they can work to better jobs than driving a bus or planting trees or lesser things they tire of. It wouldn't have to be thought of a socialism or communism or anything with some evil connotation to change the whole system. A system like that would be nothing like anything any country has actually ever had before. No socialist or communist country ever let their people choose to not work if they didn't want. Or go to school for free or eat drink live have entertainment free.
Why pay for cable or internet or sattelite anyway when it's all propaganda and ads? They would/should be happy to provide all that free if they didn't have to pay for the operation and land and people and materials.
And don't get me started on lobbyists etc, nobody would argue that should never have been possible in a free country by and for the people.
If all people in all nations were given these same opportunites, and not held down or back we'd have no war, no corruption, no more threat of terrorism...No worry about corruption, not a single thing to worry about period.
Boonierat
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I can agree with a lot of the points you are making. I also, kind of, like the /idea/ of a utopian society such as you are talking about. However, lets just make a Zeitgeist thread, if you want, and we can talk about it there, instead of the Japan thread. Seems like I posted that Fukushima is about to go nuclear and nobody even noticed it because you derailed it to higher consciousness and utopian societies and shit, lol. I'm all about talking about the subject lets just do it in another thread mang.
OregonMeds
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I posted a video already that it did that already, and there is no news beyond that since. And yes I know I've gone off track sort of, but someone said something negative that could lead to trouble for anyone repeating the same type of negativity. Nobody needs to get into trouble following what I've already said so I had to set the tone back to positive for others own good if I am right.
Those that understand or are starting to get what's really going on know it's all related. We are at all this to keep a system going and dominate a world we don't need to, for reasons that make no sense. I will move on to another thread with topics like that just had to completely derail any negativity and save anyone future trouble. You think only your ipod/iphone/ipad are tracked? All smartphones are tracked as well and every windows OS one way or another. Look into what common criteria is, and you'll find windows vista on up is tracked too. Even freeware, shareware, and yes everyone knows ads have tracking bits in them but maybe you didn't know it's not just for marketing, everything you connect and view and say. Want to know why flash is so closed source and you can't engineer a competing product if you've ever accepted just the install license agreement alone? Tracked, that's also why you can't clear flash cash or do a single thing in it's settings anywhere but online. All email is tracked, browsers built in tracking from xp days up... All in the war on terror/information war.
Before you say bullshit, remember I am a MCSE/CNE... I've snooped my computers traffic to see what's going on and it wasn't good until I locked all kinds of stuff down and found the right firewall and added a serious hosts file and modified that hosts file myself too and turned off all kinds of browser plugins. I read and look into everything... Why do you think computers got 20x faster but never ran faster than xp much at all even with win7? Look at all the services enabled in windows by default, all the things in scheduler you can't turn off, all the update programs in task manager that continue to constantly run even when you explicitly turn off all updating of browsers etc. Install comodo firewall and watch all the stuff it shows even when you set the pc not to do certain things it does them anyway and you have to restrict the programs with a third party app. I have looked into all these things especially after someone (NSA or whoever) took over my pc right in front of me and re-enabled remote assistance/terminal services and bypassed my password... Coincidentally right after I had made a controversial post. I know what terminal services looks like expecially on my slow laptop and it chugged to where the mouse was dog slow. I did a quick task manager and saw terminal services active.
Notice all the security features in vista/win7 you can't modify? Registry keys you can't change even as administrator? There's some back door into the whole OS and an administrator level higher than yours.
Even if you lock your pc down and get every service disabled you don't want, google and youtube and twitter and etc etc is in bed with the NSA, etc... This is not a friendly world, and there is no right or expectations to privacy.
There are what are called fusion centers which operate outside government regulation all over the country compiling all these types of data on every person in the country. Those too you can see funding for in public documents, and their physical buildings in person, and or locations online. Not imaginary or conspiracy theory stuff, just fact.
Those that understand or are starting to get what's really going on know it's all related. We are at all this to keep a system going and dominate a world we don't need to, for reasons that make no sense. I will move on to another thread with topics like that just had to completely derail any negativity and save anyone future trouble. You think only your ipod/iphone/ipad are tracked? All smartphones are tracked as well and every windows OS one way or another. Look into what common criteria is, and you'll find windows vista on up is tracked too. Even freeware, shareware, and yes everyone knows ads have tracking bits in them but maybe you didn't know it's not just for marketing, everything you connect and view and say. Want to know why flash is so closed source and you can't engineer a competing product if you've ever accepted just the install license agreement alone? Tracked, that's also why you can't clear flash cash or do a single thing in it's settings anywhere but online. All email is tracked, browsers built in tracking from xp days up... All in the war on terror/information war.
Before you say bullshit, remember I am a MCSE/CNE... I've snooped my computers traffic to see what's going on and it wasn't good until I locked all kinds of stuff down and found the right firewall and added a serious hosts file and modified that hosts file myself too and turned off all kinds of browser plugins. I read and look into everything... Why do you think computers got 20x faster but never ran faster than xp much at all even with win7? Look at all the services enabled in windows by default, all the things in scheduler you can't turn off, all the update programs in task manager that continue to constantly run even when you explicitly turn off all updating of browsers etc. Install comodo firewall and watch all the stuff it shows even when you set the pc not to do certain things it does them anyway and you have to restrict the programs with a third party app. I have looked into all these things especially after someone (NSA or whoever) took over my pc right in front of me and re-enabled remote assistance/terminal services and bypassed my password... Coincidentally right after I had made a controversial post. I know what terminal services looks like expecially on my slow laptop and it chugged to where the mouse was dog slow. I did a quick task manager and saw terminal services active.
Notice all the security features in vista/win7 you can't modify? Registry keys you can't change even as administrator? There's some back door into the whole OS and an administrator level higher than yours.
Even if you lock your pc down and get every service disabled you don't want, google and youtube and twitter and etc etc is in bed with the NSA, etc... This is not a friendly world, and there is no right or expectations to privacy.
There are what are called fusion centers which operate outside government regulation all over the country compiling all these types of data on every person in the country. Those too you can see funding for in public documents, and their physical buildings in person, and or locations online. Not imaginary or conspiracy theory stuff, just fact.
doc111
Well-Known Member
Go nuclear??? What do you mean? Like a nuclear explosion? Not possible.
UncleBuck
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and how do you expect it to get over the coastal range, which goes up to 3,000+ feet?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northern_Oregon_Coast_Range
the ocean will NEVER arrive to hillsboro, or aloha, or anywhere else around here.
The Cryptkeeper
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^^^What he said.